The "Shock Immune" Beta Ray Bill Rotation

HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 249 ★★
edited August 10 in General Discussion
So I've seen a lot of people bringing up one of Bill's limitations - Shock Immunity/Resistances. So many examples:
  • Dust
  • Onslaught
  • Maestro
  • Shocker
  • Absorbing Man
  • Shuri
  • Hulkling
You get the point. Welp, I guess he's a meh champ then, right? Darn. Kascam got us again!

But wait...what about the Resonate buff on his sp3…🤔

That's right folks - you can still fight Shock immune champs with Bill. How, might you ask? Well, lemme describe the methodology so you, too, can do the following. Disclaimer, there were still some inevitable Shock passive bursts so the fight duration is skewed:






Rotation:

1. Build to ~2.9 bars of power. Standard combos since you don't have to worry about Shock Passives expiring prematurely.
2. Heavy charge, build Intensify buffs, intercept with sp2 to get buff pause hit counter and increased potency Energize buff.
3. Race back to sp3, tactically taking blocked hits to build power. Throw BEFORE buff pause counter hits 0.
4. With your increased potency Resonate, race back to sp2 (you'll still have the increased potency Energize for a bit).
5. Heavy charge, intercept, and now you have a paused Resonate, paused Energize, and 20 basic hits to stack up paused sp1 Furies.
6. Carefully throw your sp1s before you run out of buff pause hits. Each sp1 is a 60% Fury, and during the sp1 ALL damage bursts are increased by 200%.
7. Watch the defender be deleted from both your basic hits and the sp1 hits.

I wish I could upload a video here to be able to better show it - but this is all to say that if the defender is Shock immune, it doesn't matter. In a shorter fight, just heavy charge (or don't) before the sp3, then spam sp1's to have some fun. Throw in some heavy attacks to pause your buffs for a bit to squeeze out as much as you want.

Now, I would be remiss to not mention two specific instances where NOT to use Bill:

1. High Energy Resistance. Resonate deals extra burst damage as Energy Damage. So as an example, Photon probs aint ever gonna be a good match-up.
2. Onslaught. Onslaught punishes you heavily for placing Shocks, debuff or passive, on him. Your basic hits will likely place a few, and since the durations are so long, even if you're starting combo's with Mediums, you'll melt, so just...don't. Lol.

So, for all of you saying Bill aint all that solely because of Shock Immunity, please just try and use the champ yourself and understand his full capabilities. Happy Honse-ing. 🐴 🔨 ⚡️

Comments

  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 249 ★★
    xLunatiXx said:

    That's unusable in BG tho.
    As for any other content, you'll likely pick any other champs instead of going through this rotation.
    But good to know.

    That's why I mentioned the short version - just get to an sp3, then throw sp1s.
  • kus234kus234 Member Posts: 308 ★★★
    We all knew he will be a noodle otherwise why will Kabam give for literally "Free".
  • kus234kus234 Member Posts: 308 ★★★
    I also mentioned elsewhere Morbius the other free Noodle also needed the opponent to Bleed but luckily in his awaken ability he can replace with rupture
    . Wish Bill also had similar capability ...
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,528 ★★★★★
    Not ideal in a battlegrounds match though
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,487 ★★★★★
    I'm just happy he's not Maestro killer

    I was bit scared when I saw "ignores glance" 😨
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,458 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    I'm just happy he's not Maestro killer

    I was bit scared when I saw "ignores glance" 😨

    He still wouldn't be a better maestro killer even if he was able to ignore glance ,since maestro is shock immune.
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,115 ★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    I'm just happy he's not Maestro killer

    I was bit scared when I saw "ignores glance" 😨

    That title goes to Red Magneto 😉
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,528 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    I'm just happy he's not Maestro killer

    I was bit scared when I saw "ignores glance" 😨

    That title goes to Red Magneto 😉
    I haven't seen Red Mags being used against him before but he is #metal
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,115 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    PT_99 said:

    I'm just happy he's not Maestro killer

    I was bit scared when I saw "ignores glance" 😨

    That title goes to Red Magneto 😉
    I haven't seen Red Mags being used against him before but he is #metal
    I used him for Maestro many times in BG
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    xLunatiXx said:

    That's unusable in BG tho.
    As for any other content, you'll likely pick any other champs instead of going through this rotation.
    But good to know.

    That's why I mentioned the short version - just get to an sp3, then throw sp1s.
    That's still probably a loss in GC, way too long.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,528 ★★★★★

    xLunatiXx said:

    That's unusable in BG tho.
    As for any other content, you'll likely pick any other champs instead of going through this rotation.
    But good to know.

    That's why I mentioned the short version - just get to an sp3, then throw sp1s.
    That isn't even gonna be close to 30 secs compared to other champions. I wouldn't use him in shock immune matchups in BGs. Maybe in war since you have more time.
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 249 ★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    That's unusable in BG tho.
    As for any other content, you'll likely pick any other champs instead of going through this rotation.
    But good to know.

    That's why I mentioned the short version - just get to an sp3, then throw sp1s.
    That isn't even gonna be close to 30 secs compared to other champions. I wouldn't use him in shock immune matchups in BGs. Maybe in war since you have more time.
    What a limiting requirement for a champ lol. Don't remember this game's name being "Marvel Contest of Nukes in BG's"
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,487 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    I'm just happy he's not Maestro killer

    I was bit scared when I saw "ignores glance" 😨

    That title goes to Red Magneto 😉
    What about 7r3 white Magneto
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 249 ★★

    xLunatiXx said:

    That's unusable in BG tho.
    As for any other content, you'll likely pick any other champs instead of going through this rotation.
    But good to know.

    That's why I mentioned the short version - just get to an sp3, then throw sp1s.
    That's still probably a loss in GC, way too long.
    Should average around 40-50 seconds, sure. Sub-1:00 definitely
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,115 ★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    I'm just happy he's not Maestro killer

    I was bit scared when I saw "ignores glance" 😨

    That title goes to Red Magneto 😉
    What about 7r3 white Magneto
    He also can work
  • Onurre2Onurre2 Member Posts: 206 ★★★
    edited August 11
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Why would you even use him in a shock immune match. I really don't get why DOT champs have to have another source of damage. I hate when a dot champ gets released and there's this one guy who says "They're a noodle when the opponent is immune" NO SHYT!!!
    These champs deal damage through a specific dot which some champs are immune to
    THEY don't work in EVERY SINGLE matchup stop expecting these champs to have another damage source when their damage comes specifically from one source.
    You wouldn't use shuri against shock immune, nick against bleed immune etc.
    If they have a different damage source THAT'S GREAT if they don't that's fine. Just don't use them when the opponent is immune it's not that hard I promise.

    Well, I just did a 4 revive run in abyss path 5. My team was BRB, Shuri, HT, Doom and Wags. In path 5 you have to fight a thing with 2.6M health and I just did a 1 shot on him with BRB with this trick. I just knew the way he would have a high damage without shocks, didn't read this post prior but still good info to have around. 3 of my 5 champs were dealing shocks (Doom, shuri and BRB. Not that dooms main damage is shock but still...) and I just did some test runs on LOL starlord and he was still hitting very very hard with this trick. I could've replaced wags with someone else but wanted to have a really easy 1shot against collector with BRB and did it in 3.43 minutes :smiley:

    I wouldn't use him in a shock immune match if I had a choice but in this case I didn't have a choice and he still did it.
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 501 ★★★
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Why would you even use him in a shock immune match. I really don't get why DOT champs have to have another source of damage. I hate when a dot champ gets released and there's this one guy who says "They're a noodle when the opponent is immune" NO SHYT!!!
    These champs deal damage through a specific dot which some champs are immune to
    THEY don't work in EVERY SINGLE matchup stop expecting these champs to have another damage source when their damage comes specifically from one source.
    You wouldn't use shuri against shock immune, nick against bleed immune etc.
    If they have a different damage source THAT'S GREAT if they don't that's fine. Just don't use them when the opponent is immune it's not that hard I promise.

    You are officially the smartest person on the forums (after me ofc). People just wanna nitpick and **** on a champ because they can. I don't see people calling AA trash when he struggles against more champs than BRB does. Most BRB haters are those that do not have him
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    xLunatiXx said:

    That's unusable in BG tho.
    As for any other content, you'll likely pick any other champs instead of going through this rotation.
    But good to know.

    That's why I mentioned the short version - just get to an sp3, then throw sp1s.
    That's still probably a loss in GC, way too long.
    Should average around 40-50 seconds, sure. Sub-1:00 definitely
    I'd have to test that myself I don't see him doing 50 without sp1 bursts unless it's someone with a lot of armor or punching down a rank but you could be right. He's still new so I'm willing to give him a chance, he has decent amount of value cause he's amazing for long form content too and decent for BGs as long as there isn't any shock immunity.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,458 ★★★★★
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Why would you even use him in a shock immune match. I really don't get why DOT champs have to have another source of damage. I hate when a dot champ gets released and there's this one guy who says "They're a noodle when the opponent is immune" NO SHYT!!!
    These champs deal damage through a specific dot which some champs are immune to
    THEY don't work in EVERY SINGLE matchup stop expecting these champs to have another damage source when their damage comes specifically from one source.
    You wouldn't use shuri against shock immune, nick against bleed immune etc.
    If they have a different damage source THAT'S GREAT if they don't that's fine. Just don't use them when the opponent is immune it's not that hard I promise.

    Exactly right. Use other champs when you're facing shock immune defenders. It's that simple lol
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 249 ★★
    edited August 11
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Why would you even use him in a shock immune match. I really don't get why DOT champs have to have another source of damage. I hate when a dot champ gets released and there's this one guy who says "They're a noodle when the opponent is immune" NO SHYT!!!
    These champs deal damage through a specific dot which some champs are immune to
    THEY don't work in EVERY SINGLE matchup stop expecting these champs to have another damage source when their damage comes specifically from one source.
    You wouldn't use shuri against shock immune, nick against bleed immune etc.
    If they have a different damage source THAT'S GREAT if they don't that's fine. Just don't use them when the opponent is immune it's not that hard I promise.

    This!! That's what I've been trying to get everyone to understand - the funny thing about Bill is that he actually CAN do Shock Immune fights instead of just being limited. But I completely agree, everyone complaining about him relying on Shock (and saying that makes him mid) when champs like Shuri, Nick, Torch, and literally any other DOT-stacking champ exists and they don't even bat an eye. The demand for BGs "nukes" and champs who can counter every fight is ridiculous, exhausting, and not what this game should be about.

    We've got a dope champ here that relies on Shock BUT can still fight Shock Immune champs, just takes literally a few seconds longer. He isn't shut down by an immunity alone. Or, again, just DON'T use him against the few Shock Immune champs. But apparently that's not enough. Appreciate you ranting with me lol.
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 249 ★★
    edited August 11


    xLunatiXx said:

    That's unusable in BG tho.
    As for any other content, you'll likely pick any other champs instead of going through this rotation.
    But good to know.

    That's why I mentioned the short version - just get to an sp3, then throw sp1s.
    That's still probably a loss in GC, way too long.
    Should average around 40-50 seconds, sure. Sub-1:00 definitely
    I'd have to test that myself I don't see him doing 50 without sp1 bursts unless it's someone with a lot of armor or punching down a rank but you could be right. He's still new so I'm willing to give him a chance, he has decent amount of value cause he's amazing for long form content too and decent for BGs as long as there isn't any shock immunity.
    So on average you'll have 5-7 Shocks to burst with RNG on your side after you throw an sp2 and before the sp1 since your buff pause isn't activated/taking away the chance to place more. Burst with sp1 will still be very chunky and will take the opponent out. But again, if you're stuck with no one else, he CAN do Shock immune champs - that's the main point of this post. He's not limited like most DOT-dependent champs who have nothing else outside of their DOT (ie. Torch without Pre-Fight). That'll take a little over a minute instead.
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