War Rewards Buff - Gold and below left in the dust again

Chuck_Finley · August 21

So the top tiers of war got a nice buff:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/374355/alliance-war-season-52-changelog#latest

But gold and below got basically nothing. Again. If the whole point of the war showcase is to get people interested in competitive war - how exactly is that accomplished when the gap keeps increasing to the point no lower alliance will ever be able to move up? If anything - it’s just killing off gold and below interest. You either join an already high tier alliance or war is pointless.

I don’t get it. This is two reward buffs now where gold and silver are left basically unchanged. Maybe someone smarter than me can explain how this helps the game.

PT_99 · August 21

Because medicore performance need not be celebrated, like are you serious? 😃

Getting 4 tokens which can be exchanged for 4000 7* shards not enough?

Chuck_Finley · August 21

PT_99 said:
Because medicore performance need not be celebrated, like are you serious? 😃

Getting 4 tokens which can be exchanged for 4000 7* shards not enough?

Why give any rewards to mediocrity? Maybe just give them only premium and grandmaster crystals.

This is what’s comical - I posted this knowing these are sorts of comments I would get. There is a disincentive to play war except at platinum+. It’s part of the reason I left the upper level gold alliance months ago where it was a requirement to participate. For what? The tiers above you are buffed on a schedule - we were getting 2 year old rewards. It’s a waste of time and effort. Still is.

Gamer · August 21

That has always ben the case plat and master is where the good stuff is

Chuck_Finley · August 21

Gamer said:
That has always ben the case plat and master is where the good stuff is

It’s not about “where the good stuff is” - of course that’s the case. It’s that the gap to gold is a chasm. As if every valiant players exists in plat or above. There are ways to make it worthwhile without taking away the incentive to move up. As it is now - it’s plat or don’t waste your time.

BlackTuran · August 21

Gold got the loyalty 7 star shard thingies, no? Not much but it’s something

Chuck_Finley · August 21

MethodMan69 said:

Chuck_Finley said:
So the top tiers of war got a nice buff:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/374355/alliance-war-season-52-changelog#latest

But gold and below got basically nothing. Again. If the whole point of the war showcase is to get people interested in competitive war - how exactly is that accomplished when the gap keeps increasing to the point no lower alliance will ever be able to move up? If anything - it’s just killing off gold and below interest. You either join an already high tier alliance or war is pointless.

I don’t get it. This is two reward buffs now where gold and silver are left basically unchanged. Maybe someone smarter than me can explain how this helps the game.
Get gud

“Join an existing plat” - got it. Thanks for affirming my case

Bendy · August 21

BlackTuran said:
Gold got the loyalty 7 star shard thingies, no? Not much but it’s something

Its very nice now but golds never been place for stuff always plat or above

Dab_west · August 21

wompwomp

BlackTuran · August 21

Bendy said:

BlackTuran said:
Gold got the loyalty 7 star shard thingies, no? Not much but it’s something
Its very nice now but golds never been place for stuff always plat or above

Yeah my ally only does two battle groups and we get gold 3-4. It’s very chill so I don’t complain about it cause I could just join a more war focused alliance if I wanted better rewards

xLunatiXx · August 21

Valiant or not there is literally no effort put into war when you're below gold so take what you get

Lokx · August 21

i was in a alliance who ran 3 bg and had trouble with participation, yet we still stuck around gold 2-3. Wasn’t really much effort. If the top rank rewards are better, then they’re not giving you incentive to play but rather incentive to rank up your alliance. And if you feel your alliance group isn’t pulling their weight when you are then join a new alliance that is more serious about war.

Herbal_Taxman · August 21

I think your insight is correct and it’s puzzling why Kabam doesn’t do more to incentivize higher engagement in AW across the board. Considering that a season of AW is a reasonable amount of time, even if it’s not particularly difficult (depending on your tier and ally), the rewards lag across the board. Even after the buff, the ROI for AW isn’t amazing for plat alliances.

When you take into account the fact that AQ is a dead game mode / chore, you’d think they would put more effort into AW as the only collaborative game mode with the potential to be consequential for players. But who knows, maybe there’s some cost or effort associated with doing it that they aren’t comfortable with.

spidyjedi84 · August 21

BlackTuran said:
Gold got the loyalty 7 star shard thingies, no? Not much but it’s something

Silver 6 gets a few of those as well. Honestly, as an Alliance that bounces between Silver 1 and Gold 6 depending on our effort, I'm a-okay with the rewards. I like when we hit gold, as I can R4 another 6 star for Battlegrounds, but that doesn't always happen. In my alt's alliance, we're hitting Silver 3 with at least half the Alliance no longer playing but no one clearing the dead weight from the group...

PT_99 · August 21

Chuck_Finley said:

PT_99 said:
Because medicore performance need not be celebrated, like are you serious? 😃

Getting 4 tokens which can be exchanged for 4000 7* shards not enough?
Why give any rewards to mediocrity? Maybe just give them only premium and grandmaster crystals.

This is what’s comical - I posted this knowing these are sorts of comments I would get. There is a disincentive to play war except at platinum+. It’s part of the reason I left the upper level gold alliance months ago where it was a requirement to participate. For what? The tiers above you are buffed on a schedule - we were getting 2 year old rewards. It’s a waste of time and effort. Still is.

So what you're trying to ask Kabam is that YOU goldies don't want to play war competitively but wants to be rewarded as same as people who play like that?
Doesn't make sense.

YOU left upper alliances where one must join war, have minimal deaths so that whole 30 players can get rewards, you left it all, that's your choice, now you can't be entitled to those same rewards that YOU left, in lower brackets you get lower rewards, that's how COMPETITION works.

World Eater · August 21

PT_99 said:

Chuck_Finley said:

PT_99 said:
Because medicore performance need not be celebrated, like are you serious? 😃

Getting 4 tokens which can be exchanged for 4000 7* shards not enough?
Why give any rewards to mediocrity? Maybe just give them only premium and grandmaster crystals.

This is what’s comical - I posted this knowing these are sorts of comments I would get. There is a disincentive to play war except at platinum+. It’s part of the reason I left the upper level gold alliance months ago where it was a requirement to participate. For what? The tiers above you are buffed on a schedule - we were getting 2 year old rewards. It’s a waste of time and effort. Still is.

So what you're trying to ask Kabam is that YOU goldies don't want to play war competitively but wants to be rewarded as same as people who play like that?
Doesn't make sense.

YOU left upper alliances where one must join war, have minimal deaths so that whole 30 players can get rewards, you left it all, that's your choice, now you can't be entitled to those same rewards that YOU left, in lower brackets you get lower rewards, that's how COMPETITION works.

Why do you think an alliance outside the top tiers isn’t competitive or puts out “mediocre performances” ?

OP isn’t asking to be given top tier rewards. He’s asking, nicely, why lower tiers are seeing meager rewards buffs for the 2nd time in a row.

Chuck_Finley · August 21

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PT_99 said:

Chuck_Finley said:

PT_99 said:
Because medicore performance need not be celebrated, like are you serious? 😃

Getting 4 tokens which can be exchanged for 4000 7* shards not enough?
Why give any rewards to mediocrity? Maybe just give them only premium and grandmaster crystals.

This is what’s comical - I posted this knowing these are sorts of comments I would get. There is a disincentive to play war except at platinum+. It’s part of the reason I left the upper level gold alliance months ago where it was a requirement to participate. For what? The tiers above you are buffed on a schedule - we were getting 2 year old rewards. It’s a waste of time and effort. Still is.

So what you're trying to ask Kabam is that YOU goldies don't want to play war competitively but wants to be rewarded as same as people who play like that?
Doesn't make sense.

YOU left upper alliances where one must join war, have minimal deaths so that whole 30 players can get rewards, you left it all, that's your choice, now you can't be entitled to those same rewards that YOU left, in lower brackets you get lower rewards, that's how COMPETITION works.

Actually - I didn’t say that at all - and specifically stated otherwise. But boy that strawman sure got thumped. Nice work

Demonzfyre · August 21

Chuck_Finley said:

Gamer said:
That has always ben the case plat and master is where the good stuff is
It’s not about “where the good stuff is” - of course that’s the case. It’s that the gap to gold is a chasm. As if every valiant players exists in plat or above. There are ways to make it worthwhile without taking away the incentive to move up. As it is now - it’s plat or don’t waste your time.

I think it's meant to try and prevent "retired" whale alliances or alliances hoping to pick off easy wins from staying in the low tiers.

RobbieRampage · August 22

The biggest problem I have is the solo event milestones. They haven't been updated in ages. Either buff them or get rid of them and roll it into war rewards.

Buttehrs · August 22

RobbieRampage said:
The biggest problem I have is the solo event milestones. They haven't been updated in ages. Either buff them or get rid of them and roll it into war rewards.

That's a problem across the board unfortunately. All solo objectives/milestones aren't barely worth it for any progression level. They all need to be updated but kabam just takes forever to update them and when they do, it's already too late.

BringPopcorn · August 22

Close your eyes, only for a moment...

Grumrok · August 22

Last rewards Buff only p2 and above got some good improvement.
Now, with another improvement they went a few tiers down with quite some more noticable stuff...so i assume, next one they go even further with this.
Just patience

Vegeta9001 · August 22

Plat is just as bad

Ercarret · August 22

Yep, I'm fully on board with OP on this. I feel like Gold and below has consistently been left behind in terms of rewards for a long while now. We see time and time again how only the top gets their rewards increased and it's so enormously demoralizing. I could be the only one playing AQ in my alliance and the glory I earned during that week would still make me able to buy three times the t6cc shards that I'd get from an entire month's worth of AW. And I'd get it in the form of selectors, not just random crystals.

The whole "Waah, waah, you just want Platinum rewards for Gold play" nonsense is so ridiculous. No one is saying that Kabam should give low/mid-tier alliances the best stuff. The point is to update our rewards when they're updating the top alliances' rewards. What's the point of scrapping around along the borders of, say, Gold 3 when the difference of getting up to Gold 2 or falling down to Gold 4 are just different variations of frustratingly outdated rewards?

I could quit playing AW all together and the only thing I'd miss out on is the loyalty, which isn't even part of the end-of-season rewards. I'm happy that they added a couple of loyalty tokens to the rewards now, but they don't change much in the grand scheme of things.

Armageddøn · August 22

What do you expect gold and silver rewards to be? I would like to know your insight on that

Armageddøn · August 22

And what's your account progression

ReignkingTW · August 22

Fine with me. I'm in gold 5 because I don't care and the alliance doesn't care.

But I did get a 6* nexus that finally got me herc so maybe that's why I'm good.

Maat1985 · August 22

Demonzfyre said:

Chuck_Finley said:

Gamer said:
That has always ben the case plat and master is where the good stuff is
It’s not about “where the good stuff is” - of course that’s the case. It’s that the gap to gold is a chasm. As if every valiant players exists in plat or above. There are ways to make it worthwhile without taking away the incentive to move up. As it is now - it’s plat or don’t waste your time.
I think it's meant to try and prevent "retired" whale alliances or alliances hoping to pick off easy wins from staying in the low tiers.

exactly this.

low level war rewards are designed with primary factor being developing alliances and accounts growing and climbing. hense rewards that suit lower progression.
and the secondary consideration is making it so that people have a choice to make,
push hard and do the best you can to get the best rewards possible for yourself,
or
play with little effort and just accept whatever rewards come to you.

its not designed to give big rewards to lazy players.
its designed incentivize players to push and reward those that do.
if gold rewards got better then i know i wouldn't bother trying to push for platinum. gotta use potions and boosts where i am.
if gold rewards were better i would just save my effort and items and stay there......

Ercarret · August 22

Armageddøn said:
What do you expect gold and silver rewards to be? I would like to know your insight on that

The specifics don't matter to me. What's important is that the rewards are bumped up in roughly the same way as they are for the top-tier alliances. Not the same stuff, but in the same way. Let's say Master and Platinum alliances get 7r3 materials instead of 7r2 materials. Gold doesn't need those specific materials/the same amounts, but it would be nice if we got a similar one-step bump from 6r4 materials up to 6r5. As of right now, I'm only getting mats that were relevant to me maybe two years ago. Compare that to AQ and BG where...okay, AQ rewards are still pretty worthless outside of maybe Raids, but at least BG rewards are good even if you don't push hard in Gladiator's Circuit.

M0NKEYNUTS · August 22

AW is good for loyalty farming, that's main reason why I do it.

Buff the rewards, great. Don't buff the rewards, great.

BG + SOS + events like crucible + July 4 + black friday are where most non-whale, non top tier players should be focusing. EQ, SQ, AW, AQ, arenas are all time fillers.

War Rewards Buff - Gold and below left in the dust again

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