Medusa and Purgatory Buff Discussion

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  • ZanyDruid0702ZanyDruid0702 Member Posts: 37
    Always loved purgatory been sat at r3 though for a while but following this update I instantly r4d her and took her through 2 runs of LoL and just like above SWEPT through there with a full yellow bar excited to get my hands on the 7* when available
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  • MethodMan69MethodMan69 Member Posts: 398 ★★★

    The cosmic queen is back 💪
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,325 ★★★★★


    The cosmic queen is back 💪

    And she'll be a better defender without a counter
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,554 ★★★★★
    Medusa will be a BG queen imo. She hits hard, has defensive potential, and a nice amount of utility. Purgatory seems good but idk about her matchups outside of cosmic so I’ll have to see. She’s definitely a questing beast now
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,325 ★★★★★

    I'm here to provide some notes on Purgatory

    Purgatory is simple. You enter rampage, you drop SP2s, you deal damage. Simplicity is always a positive. Her damage is good. It is not nuke level, but it is serviceable for all gamemodes outside long-form.

    Rebounding on simplicity: While her playstyle itself is simple, the benefits are complex. Specifically due to the class bonuses. When you fight a cosmic, often times your power just skyrockets, or you trigger unblockable randomly, both of which are good things, especially when you factor in her self inflicted power drain, to prevent you from using a SP3. Considering you will mainly be using her for cosmics, that is mainly all im going to go in-depth with, but other small things like power steal vs mutants, armor break vs techs (which i believe will trigger MD) creates just many forms of power gain to keep you special spamming; exactly what you want to do.

    As far as meta matchups go, there are two big ones to address: Serpent, and Maestro. She is a good counter to both. Versus Serpent, the growing neutralize throughout the fight helps remove some of the added pressure serpent builds up. It also leaves his chance to trigger death immunity at a low 25%. She also has the 40% base energy resistance to keep her topped up, and constant trigger of fear for willpower, AND if you have a mystic soul, you can regenerate block damage (for questing or war scenarios.) Overall, I am very pleased at how she handles him. I know that there are people who don't like that it takes 60 seconds, but that's about the average time a R3 Chavez takes a 6* Serpent so i don't know what to tell you.

    Versus Maestro, the positives here are simply this: She does not give a **** about glancing. She will continue to build both power gain, and rampage no matter if glancing is there or not. And, considering all her damage is on specials, and maestro cannot glance specials, she just does her thing, and eventually he drops dead. Probably another 60 second BGs fight, not to shabby if you ask me.

    I have also used her for matchups like Onslaught (relative success) and Future Ant Man (high success) and Korg (very high success.) She reminds me of Luke Cage, where you can take a number of meta matchups at very respectable speed. Not nuke speed, but speed that does keep you competitive, and I do appreciate that.

    Overall, this is a champion I am pleased to have ranked up on my account, one that I will keep in BGs decks, one that i am very excited for the 7* addition of, and one that I hope all of you will learn to enjoy, and test to make your own impressions on her.

    Thank you for this. I wish I could get a higher version than a 4*
  • MorningstarIsBaeMorningstarIsBae Member Posts: 206 ★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Medusa will be a BG queen imo. She hits hard, has defensive potential, and a nice amount of utility. Purgatory seems good but idk about her matchups outside of cosmic so I’ll have to see. She’s definitely a questing beast now

    She will be a great tech killer aswell. The new stacking armor break is pretty powerful
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,323 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    It looks like Purgatory is a good Serpent counter now

    https://youtu.be/YsZemOP0Gi8?si=TCl-Rq4UMZ7rOxwm

    Same problem as per usual though, time.
    It is a serpent problem, not purg's, haha
    What else would you use her for though? How many meta relevant defenders other than Serpent is she viable for? I don't see myself adding her to my deck for literary anything else.
    She took 69 secs for a equal rank serpent which is equal to what chavez and kush puts, Also @GrassKnuckles launched a sp2 into block otherwise the fight would've ended few seconds faster, so yeah, definitely a reliable serpent counter imo.

    She could be useful against onslaught with her power steal, and other some mystics with block regen, against some techs with armor break, Although not the first choice.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    It looks like Purgatory is a good Serpent counter now

    https://youtu.be/YsZemOP0Gi8?si=TCl-Rq4UMZ7rOxwm

    Same problem as per usual though, time.
    It is a serpent problem, not purg's, haha
    What else would you use her for though? How many meta relevant defenders other than Serpent is she viable for? I don't see myself adding her to my deck for literary anything else.
    She took 69 secs for a equal rank serpent which is equal to what chavez and kush puts, Also @GrassKnuckles launched a sp2 into block otherwise the fight would've ended few seconds faster, so yeah, definitely a reliable serpent counter imo.

    She could be useful against onslaught with her power steal, and other some mystics with block regen, against some techs with armor break, Although not the first choice.
    That's my whole point, would she be your first choice? For anything other than Serpent not really, not even Maestro.
  • MethodMan69MethodMan69 Member Posts: 398 ★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    Medusa will be a BG queen imo. She hits hard, has defensive potential, and a nice amount of utility. Purgatory seems good but idk about her matchups outside of cosmic so I’ll have to see. She’s definitely a questing beast now

    She will be a great tech killer aswell. The new stacking armor break is pretty powerful


    28 seconds against a R3 red skull, she's just insane in this meta
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,323 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    It looks like Purgatory is a good Serpent counter now

    https://youtu.be/YsZemOP0Gi8?si=TCl-Rq4UMZ7rOxwm

    Same problem as per usual though, time.
    It is a serpent problem, not purg's, haha
    What else would you use her for though? How many meta relevant defenders other than Serpent is she viable for? I don't see myself adding her to my deck for literary anything else.
    She took 69 secs for a equal rank serpent which is equal to what chavez and kush puts, Also @GrassKnuckles launched a sp2 into block otherwise the fight would've ended few seconds faster, so yeah, definitely a reliable serpent counter imo.

    She could be useful against onslaught with her power steal, and other some mystics with block regen, against some techs with armor break, Although not the first choice.
    That's my whole point, would she be your first choice? For anything other than Serpent not really, not even Maestro.
    I mean, I have wiccan in my deck solely for serpent, so it is not uncommon to have a champ to counter one single defender. But she's not r3 worthy imo.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    It looks like Purgatory is a good Serpent counter now

    https://youtu.be/YsZemOP0Gi8?si=TCl-Rq4UMZ7rOxwm

    Same problem as per usual though, time.
    It is a serpent problem, not purg's, haha
    What else would you use her for though? How many meta relevant defenders other than Serpent is she viable for? I don't see myself adding her to my deck for literary anything else.
    She took 69 secs for a equal rank serpent which is equal to what chavez and kush puts, Also @GrassKnuckles launched a sp2 into block otherwise the fight would've ended few seconds faster, so yeah, definitely a reliable serpent counter imo.

    She could be useful against onslaught with her power steal, and other some mystics with block regen, against some techs with armor break, Although not the first choice.
    That's my whole point, would she be your first choice? For anything other than Serpent not really, not even Maestro.
    I mean, I have wiccan in my deck solely for serpent, so it is not uncommon to have a champ to counter one single defender. But she's not r3 worthy imo.
    Yeah but Wiccan also cheeses Hulkling, Knull, Terrax and Galan in sub 45. Who else can Morningstar really cheese? No fight with her will be sub 45 unless you're punching down.
    I'm not saying the buff is bad, I'm simply saying I don't really think she will be meta at all, Chavez Tigra Luke Kushala still superior imo.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,323 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    It looks like Purgatory is a good Serpent counter now

    https://youtu.be/YsZemOP0Gi8?si=TCl-Rq4UMZ7rOxwm

    Same problem as per usual though, time.
    It is a serpent problem, not purg's, haha
    What else would you use her for though? How many meta relevant defenders other than Serpent is she viable for? I don't see myself adding her to my deck for literary anything else.
    She took 69 secs for a equal rank serpent which is equal to what chavez and kush puts, Also @GrassKnuckles launched a sp2 into block otherwise the fight would've ended few seconds faster, so yeah, definitely a reliable serpent counter imo.

    She could be useful against onslaught with her power steal, and other some mystics with block regen, against some techs with armor break, Although not the first choice.
    That's my whole point, would she be your first choice? For anything other than Serpent not really, not even Maestro.
    I mean, I have wiccan in my deck solely for serpent, so it is not uncommon to have a champ to counter one single defender. But she's not r3 worthy imo.
    Yeah but Wiccan also cheeses Hulkling, Knull, Terrax and Galan in sub 45. Who else can Morningstar really cheese? No fight with her will be sub 45 unless you're punching down.
    I'm not saying the buff is bad, I'm simply saying I don't really think she will be meta at all, Chavez Tigra Luke Kushala still superior imo.
    Definitely chavez kush and others are better than purg. I just think purg is worth having in deck for countering serpent.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited October 8

    EdisonLaw said:

    It looks like Purgatory is a good Serpent counter now

    https://youtu.be/YsZemOP0Gi8?si=TCl-Rq4UMZ7rOxwm

    Same problem as per usual though, time.
    It is a serpent problem, not purg's, haha
    What else would you use her for though? How many meta relevant defenders other than Serpent is she viable for? I don't see myself adding her to my deck for literary anything else.
    She took 69 secs for a equal rank serpent which is equal to what chavez and kush puts, Also @GrassKnuckles launched a sp2 into block otherwise the fight would've ended few seconds faster, so yeah, definitely a reliable serpent counter imo.

    She could be useful against onslaught with her power steal, and other some mystics with block regen, against some techs with armor break, Although not the first choice.
    That's my whole point, would she be your first choice? For anything other than Serpent not really, not even Maestro.
    I mean, I have wiccan in my deck solely for serpent, so it is not uncommon to have a champ to counter one single defender. But she's not r3 worthy imo.
    Yeah but Wiccan also cheeses Hulkling, Knull, Terrax and Galan in sub 45. Who else can Morningstar really cheese? No fight with her will be sub 45 unless you're punching down.
    I'm not saying the buff is bad, I'm simply saying I don't really think she will be meta at all, Chavez Tigra Luke Kushala still superior imo.
    Definitely chavez kush and others are better than purg. I just think purg is worth having in deck for countering serpent.
    If you already have all of those not really, it's just a wasted slot on your deck.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,718 ★★★★

    I'm here to provide some notes on Purgatory

    Purgatory is simple. You enter rampage, you drop SP2s, you deal damage. Simplicity is always a positive. Her damage is good. It is not nuke level, but it is serviceable for all gamemodes outside long-form.

    Rebounding on simplicity: While her playstyle itself is simple, the benefits are complex. Specifically due to the class bonuses. When you fight a cosmic, often times your power just skyrockets, or you trigger unblockable randomly, both of which are good things, especially when you factor in her self inflicted power drain, to prevent you from using a SP3. Considering you will mainly be using her for cosmics, that is mainly all im going to go in-depth with, but other small things like power steal vs mutants, armor break vs techs (which i believe will trigger MD) creates just many forms of power gain to keep you special spamming; exactly what you want to do.

    As far as meta matchups go, there are two big ones to address: Serpent, and Maestro. She is a good counter to both. Versus Serpent, the growing neutralize throughout the fight helps remove some of the added pressure serpent builds up. It also leaves his chance to trigger death immunity at a low 25%. She also has the 40% base energy resistance to keep her topped up, and constant trigger of fear for willpower, AND if you have a mystic soul, you can regenerate block damage (for questing or war scenarios.) Overall, I am very pleased at how she handles him. I know that there are people who don't like that it takes 60 seconds, but that's about the average time a R3 Chavez takes a 6* Serpent so i don't know what to tell you.

    Versus Maestro, the positives here are simply this: She does not give a **** about glancing. She will continue to build both power gain, and rampage no matter if glancing is there or not. And, considering all her damage is on specials, and maestro cannot glance specials, she just does her thing, and eventually he drops dead. Probably another 60 second BGs fight, not to shabby if you ask me.

    I have also used her for matchups like Onslaught (relative success) and Future Ant Man (high success) and Korg (very high success.) She reminds me of Luke Cage, where you can take a number of meta matchups at very respectable speed. Not nuke speed, but speed that does keep you competitive, and I do appreciate that.

    Overall, this is a champion I am pleased to have ranked up on my account, one that I will keep in BGs decks, one that i am very excited for the 7* addition of, and one that I hope all of you will learn to enjoy, and test to make your own impressions on her.

    Worth nothing that to get the best out of her you need to use her power drain to keep dipping below a bar of power to quickly fuel her souls neutralises
  • MordMord Member Posts: 149 ★★
    Banning serpent is still better than bringing purgatory along with another 3 counters just to be safe. At least for me.
    What an awful design.
  • BEA5T_FURYBEA5T_FURY Member Posts: 143

    She looks really great now this I just a r1 6* unawakened and still did Wolverine rol
  • BEA5T_FURYBEA5T_FURY Member Posts: 143

    Purgatory is way easier to ramp up now, and should be much more playable. You used to have to stay aggressive, parry lots and you'd just hit Demonic Rampage before getting to SP3.

    Now, it's definitely easier, because of the slower fall-off, and it's pretty easy to get there before SP2.

    That, plus the sustained Fury buff with Specials makes her damage a lot better; even against Winter punching bag. Her utility should also go through the roof with amazing buff control in longer fights.

    This is a 6*r2, before and after the update:
    Before

    After

    Ya got a 40k crit with my ramped up purgatory she looks like a really great mystic now with all her dmg and utilities
  • TikkaMasalaTikkaMasala Member Posts: 561 ★★★
    How will the updated Purgatory do against Bahamut? I still need to get that damn quest done for the deathless guillotine piece
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,919 ★★★★★
    Purga neutralise should've been 15% each instead of 10%
    Leading to 150% total reduction for buffs to trigger
    Because there's a BIG reason why Kabam intentionally made Serpent signature death immunity (rapid healing rapid special) with 125% chance.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,323 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    Purga neutralise should've been 15% each instead of 10%
    Leading to 150% total reduction for buffs to trigger
    Because there's a BIG reason why Kabam intentionally made Serpent signature death immunity (rapid healing rapid special) with 125% chance.

    Why it is death immunity and indestructibe or immortality buff? They aare scared of what? Abs man?
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,325 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    Purga neutralise should've been 15% each instead of 10%
    Leading to 150% total reduction for buffs to trigger
    Because there's a BIG reason why Kabam intentionally made Serpent signature death immunity (rapid healing rapid special) with 125% chance.

    Why it is death immunity and indestructibe or immortality buff? They aare scared of what? Abs man?
    Probably because of Absorbing man. Also I'm guessing they made the death immunity 125% chance because of Tigra
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,325 ★★★★★
    So both seem to be good on offense. But how good are they on defense? Medusa's auto block only consumes 3 furies
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 3,590 ★★★★
    Fought against Purgatory on Incursions level 6 and was ok...
    I will try on practice
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