Looking for knowledge

obsidiman

This IS NOT, I repeat, IS NOT an allegation of cheating. I lost and I lost fairly. I just want to learn what I don't know.



In GC with the current meta. My Onslaught is r4 sig 140. Didn't catch the rank of Silk but assume it's 2 or 3. I get a r4 Onslaught at a mid sig isn't super potent. I want to find out what I don't know about Silk. I'm assuming my opponent is quite deft at intercepting but how did Silk wreck me in 26 seconds? I don't have a high level Silk and have never played with her so I want to learn what about her mechanics or kit that allow for such a large whooping in a short period of time.

Any and all insight is appreciated.

Furrymoosen

More debuffs, more damage, big crits. Share the fight stats, it will give more insight.

obsidiman

These I'm assuming...



Gonna be honest. I've never been good at interpreting these. Let's assume I'm kind of dumb.

obsidiman

Furrymoosen said:

More debuffs, more damage, big crits. Share the fight stats, it will give more insight.

Specifics if you wouldn't mind.

Juanmi

Silk melts onslaught at around equal ranks. R2 vs R3 is cake.

obsidiman

Juanmi said:

Silk melts onslaught at around equal ranks. R2 vs R3 is cake.

That I figured from the 26 sec beatdown, but that doesn't give me knowledge on how Silk did it.

Furrymoosen

obsidiman said:

Furrymoosen said:

More debuffs, more damage, big crits. Share the fight stats, it will give more insight.

Specifics if you wouldn't mind.

Every hit is going to place a physical vulnerability debuff. If you do backdraft intercept, you can stack a bunch of them before the opponent throws a special. Each hit is going to do progressively more damage, and since intercepting means guaranteed crits it's gonna go up real fast. If you can do MLLL, MLLL, MLLLH to SP1 cancel, which is doable before Onslaught throws an SP1 (and that looks like what may have happened), it'll hurt like crazy. Since there is "other" damage, then it looks like they got a relic in there which can also extend the debuffs. They probably got like 22 of those physical vulnerability debuffs and averaged like 15k per hit toward the end.

Based on the fight stats, they may have baited an SP1 prior to intercepting into the relic and ending with the special.

I'm pretty sure there might be a better way to play her, but I don't know it. I think there's a way to squeeze some more hits in there somehow.

willrun4adonut

I think it's a four hit combo, back draft intercept, repeat, then heavy, while heavy is going on, hit relic, then heavy again, then special. Though honestly, with crit me meta, if the debuffs all stay on and don't fall off, he wouldn't make it to the special.

Note: I cannot play sill that well. I just do a combo into heavy, then relic then heavy in sp2.

Asher1_1

Like this
https://youtu.be/kMJZf0R7jSA?si=jM7z7RGOMXw4-h1M

obsidiman

Is she similar in mechanic to say Doom or Wasp where you can stun with a charged heavy mid combo? Or am I understanding that first line under her heavy attack menu incorrectly?

Furrymoosen

obsidiman said:

Is she similar in mechanic to say Doom or Wasp where you can stun with a charged heavy mid combo? Or am I understanding that first line under her heavy attack menu incorrectly?

Yes, she can stun in the middle of her combo, though it is a debuff and not passive, so not as versatile.

obsidiman

Asher1_1 said:

Like this

Unfortunately I have maybe .08% the skills of MSD.

obsidiman

@Furrymoosen which relic is best for Silk? Out of sheer curiosity.

Furrymoosen

obsidiman said:

@Furrymoosen which relic is best for Silk? Out of sheer curiosity.

I've been using S99 for physical vulnerability potency increase. Hulk is also a good option.

obsidiman

Thank you @Furrymoosen & @willrun4adonut. Very helpful. Learned a few things I did not know.

Herbal_Taxman

Another part of this matchup — Silk has guaranteed evade of specials. So, unlike most champs, she can go ham on Onslaught and push him to 2.5 bars without worrying about the sp2. She’ll completely evade the first sp2, then go right back to beating on him. Whereas with most matchups / players, people have to continually bait sp1s and it slows the fight way, way down.