DOT Special Effects

JLordVileJ

This is random but some people don't know so I thought I would say. Incinerate reduces block proficiency by 50 percent. Poison reduces regen rate by 30 percent. Bleed goes through armour and resistances. Coldsnap prevents evade. Not sure if im missing any

CandyCane2

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

Magrailothos

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

JLordVileJ

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Bleed goes through armour and resistances

Magrailothos

JLordVileJ said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Bleed goes through armour and resistances

That's not exactly true, any more. It's a very old phrase from the days when basically all champions had physical basic attacks, and physical or energy resistance were (a) very rare, and (b) the only resistances there were.

Champs I can think of, off the top of my head, with bleed resistance would be: Knull, Old Man Logan, Gambit, Onslaught, Beast, Goldpool, Omega Red,

All - all - DoT abilities ignore armour

They also all ignore resistances apart from resistance to their specific type of damage.

However, there are now champions with built-in:
- Bleed resistance
- Degeneration resistance
- Shock resistance
- Physical resistance (for Rupture)
- Energy resistance (for Shock, Incinerate, Coldsnap, Plasma and Nova Flames)

So, fine, they can all bypass armour and they can all bypass all-but-one resistances.

I thought it was the other side-effects of DoTs that you were more interested in, to be honest.

EdisonLaw

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin also reduces ability accuracy when AA is duped. Does Dani's neuroshock prevent miss?

CyborgNinja135

EdisonLaw said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin also reduces ability accuracy when AA is duped. Does Dani's neuroshock prevent miss?

All neuroshock effects prevent miss. It's in the description when you click on the underline text on a champion's abilities page

Average_Desi

JLordVileJ said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Bleed goes through armour and resistances

Bleed does not go through bleed resistance

Average_Desi

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin doesn't stop healing as an innate ability. It's from archangel's sig.

Magrailothos

Average_Desi said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin doesn't stop healing as an innate ability. It's from archangel's sig.

True, indeed. I wondered whether I should put that, but what the hell...?

EdisonLaw said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin also reduces ability accuracy when AA is duped. Does Dani's neuroshock prevent miss?

Yes, Dani's Neuroshock also prevents Miss. Hers also prevent Skill champions from Healing; but that's her ability, not intrinsic to the Effect.

I took a chance on not mentioning that with Neurotoxins, because they're unique to AA, and got burned, so...

spiderknight616

For degen, I believe no champion is immune to it, only resist (piggy)

Diablord

well, kingpin's degen has AAR

JLordVileJ

Diablord said:

well, kingpin's degen has AAR

Not innate to degen, plus isn't that actually black iso, not degen

spiderknight616

JLordVileJ said:

Diablord said:

well, kingpin's degen has AAR

Not innate to degen, plus isn't that actually black iso, not degen

Yes, his DOT effect is different to regular degen.

shield311

Honestly I only knew about the poison one..

JLordVileJ

shield311 said:

Honestly I only knew about the poison one..

Exactly why i made this thread

Average_Desi

Magrailothos said:

Average_Desi said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin doesn't stop healing as an innate ability. It's from archangel's sig.

True, indeed. I wondered whether I should put that, but what the hell...?

EdisonLaw said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin also reduces ability accuracy when AA is duped. Does Dani's neuroshock prevent miss?

Yes, Dani's Neuroshock also prevents Miss. Hers also prevent Skill champions from Healing; but that's her ability, not intrinsic to the Effect.

I took a chance on not mentioning that with Neurotoxins, because they're unique to AA, and got burned, so...

😅

I didn't know about the neuroshock secondary effect either. So let's say 1-1

Magrailothos

Average_Desi said:

Magrailothos said:

Average_Desi said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin doesn't stop healing as an innate ability. It's from archangel's sig.

True, indeed. I wondered whether I should put that, but what the hell...?

EdisonLaw said:

Magrailothos said:

CandyCane2 said:

Degeneration: inflicts direct damage over time.

I think you've missed the point that he's listing DoT effects which have additional effects.

You missed a couple of rare/unique ones, @JLordVileJ

• Poison - reduces regeneration
  
• Incinerate/Plasma - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency by half
  
• Coldsnap - prevents Evade
  
• Neuroshock - prevents Miss
  
• Neurotoxin - prevents Healing
  
• Disintegration - reduces Combat Power
  
• Nova Flame - removes perfect block and reduces block proficiency to zero

I think that Bleed, Shock, Degeneration and Rupture are the only ones that don't additional effects.

Neurotoxin also reduces ability accuracy when AA is duped. Does Dani's neuroshock prevent miss?

Yes, Dani's Neuroshock also prevents Miss. Hers also prevent Skill champions from Healing; but that's her ability, not intrinsic to the Effect.

I took a chance on not mentioning that with Neurotoxins, because they're unique to AA, and got burned, so...

😅

I didn't know about the neuroshock secondary effect either. So let's say 1-1

😉 😂

There's a similar utility difference between two Soul Barb champions: Kushala's just does the damage; but for Mordo he also reduces the opponent's healing with it (by 80%, or up to 95% with max Despair).

Technically Soul Barb isn't a DoT effect; so I left it off the list.

Java_Junkie

Clair is a great champ for this, as her DoT is just terrible. but that’s not why it’s there.

SP2 bonus effect is the primary, and exploiting immunities. but I’ve had times I gotta drop a bleed on someone for a node? stack on poison to suppress healing? or you have a stupid passive AI, and them 8dmg incinerates let you bully some block penetration damage.

@JLordVileJ you're exactly right, it is super easy to miss details, especially in the complexity of a game that’s grown for a decade. refreshers on fundamentals help, because somebody doesn’t know it, and more may forget.

EdisonLaw

spiderknight616 said:

JLordVileJ said:

Diablord said:

well, kingpin's degen has AAR

Not innate to degen, plus isn't that actually black iso, not degen

Yes, his DOT effect is different to regular degen.

I thought it deals degen damage. It has the degen symbol

JLordVileJ

EdisonLaw said:

spiderknight616 said:

JLordVileJ said:

Diablord said:

well, kingpin's degen has AAR

Not innate to degen, plus isn't that actually black iso, not degen

Yes, his DOT effect is different to regular degen.

I thought it deals degen damage. It has the degen symbol

Nah lots of things have the same symbols but do different stuff

Awesomep12

I didn't know about any of that except coldsnap. Thanks man!

spiderknight616

EdisonLaw said:

spiderknight616 said:

JLordVileJ said:

Diablord said:

well, kingpin's degen has AAR

Not innate to degen, plus isn't that actually black iso, not degen

Yes, his DOT effect is different to regular degen.

I thought it deals degen damage. It has the degen symbol

It used to have a different symbol in the past, idk why they changed that