Thoughts on new bg meta?

_puy000_

I personally don’t like it because it’s forcing me to completely change my play style. I know nodes do that in a way, but the unstoppable nodes just feels like too much. I’m hating playing off season because I keep instinctively hitting their block to push the defender back or bait specials. I wish I could play the game how it’s supposed to be played. I haven’t gotten to test the new gc meta so I’m only talking about vt right now.

dr2ws

Seems like a nice meta for spiral, hasn’t been that bad for me so far.

_puy000_

dr2ws said:

Seems like a nice meta for spiral, hasn’t been that bad for me so far.

I’m ftp so I won’t be getting her anytime soon 😔

T-DeAdLY-J

It’s basically a nuke meta, nothing special. However, I have noticed the AI be so much more passive than usual which means I can’t intercept as often to take advantage of dash vulnerability.

_puy000_

T-DeAdLY-J said:

It’s basically a nuke meta, nothing special. However, I have noticed the AI be so much more passive than usual which means I can’t intercept as often to take advantage of dash vulnerability.

The ai being more passive makes it easier to get pushed back against the wall with no way of escape. This happened to me pretty recently when I was fighting photon. I could have easily killed her if I could have pushed her back. Also not only is it harder to interpret, but when you miss an intercept you get punished out of existence.

_puy000_

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Squidopus

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

captain_rogers

Squidopus said:

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

Are you sure there aren't any champs who have increased ability/reduced AAR who have unblockable specials?

Squidopus

captain_rogers said:

Squidopus said:

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

Are you sure there aren't any champs who have increased ability/reduced AAR who have unblockable specials?

There’s probably at least some, which is why I specified “most” unblockables, but a vast majority of them should be prevented. I know that I’m personally thanking God that I don’t have to deal with Serpent’s unblockable specials given that root would prevent you from dodging out of the way of it.

Gamer

Squidopus said:

captain_rogers said:

Squidopus said:

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

Are you sure there aren't any champs who have increased ability/reduced AAR who have unblockable specials?

There’s probably at least some, which is why I specified “most” unblockables, but a vast majority of them should be prevented. I know that I’m personally thanking God that I don’t have to deal with Serpent’s unblockable specials given that root would prevent you from dodging out of the way of it.

Btw it won’t you can dex he’s mele attack try it one a practice a few days ago and you can dex he’s mele in the corner.

Squidopus

captain_rogers said:

Squidopus said:

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

Are you sure there aren't any champs who have increased ability/reduced AAR who have unblockable specials?

I was bored and took a quick skim over the list of champs. With full admittance that this wasn’t exactly a thorough search or anything and I may have missed something, the only potential exceptions to fear I could find were either never gonna happen or avoidable.

• Glad technically can trigger an unblockable buff with 300% AA if he lands an heavy with enough confidence and then could throw an unblockable special. If you let that happen though you deserve it.
• Duped Longshot has 300% base AA and gains an unblockable buff when he nullifies one off of you. Even if you brought a champ with an unblockable buff though, you probably couldn’t trigger it because you’re also inflicted with fear. Not a real issue.
• Crush is not an unblockable and thus is unaffected by fear, so Onslaught, Jessica Jones, and Kate can still go “unblockable”. Onslaught’s the only one who can practically trigger the crush on defense though and his specials are thankfully dexable, although not easily.
• A few techs like Nimrod and Deathstrike can go unblockable during specials and are immune to AAR against mutants. You can circumvent this with the revolutionary strategy of just not bringing a mutant against them because why would you do that.
• If Adam has his sovereignty buff, his buffs (including his unblockable) are unaffected by AAR. If you can dex the first hit of his specials and don’t let him throw a basic attack combo into block, he’ll never get the chance to trigger it anyways.
• Duped Prowler has 115% AA and has unblockable specials with 30 fury passives, so he has a small chance to go through. If you let him get 30 fury passives though that’s usually an error on your end.

So there really isn’t any exceptions of note besides Onslaught perhaps. The issue that meta is gonna be being forced to eat block chip during specials and any effects that trigger through block, not eating specials to the face.

Average_Desi

Squidopus said:

captain_rogers said:

Squidopus said:

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

Are you sure there aren't any champs who have increased ability/reduced AAR who have unblockable specials?

• A few techs like Nimrod and Deathstrike can go unblockable during specials and are immune to AAR against mutants. You can circumvent this with the revolutionary strategy of just not bringing a mutant against them because why would you do that.
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Kudos on the rest but this won't be a problem (nor most others, as you've mentioned), because the aar is done by the defender itself

_puy000_

Squidopus said:

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

I forgot what fear did for a second 😅

Gamer

I really like this bg meta both of them

_puy000_

Squidopus said:

captain_rogers said:

Squidopus said:

_puy000_ said:

Hopefully the gc meta will be better but I have a feeling the root on specials will be extraordinary frustrating especially for unblockable specials.

Don’t have to worry about most unblockables, Kabam for once had a bit of foresight there and added a node that gives both champions an indefinite fear passive (reduces unblockable AA by a flat 100%).

Are you sure there aren't any champs who have increased ability/reduced AAR who have unblockable specials?

I was bored and took a quick skim over the list of champs. With full admittance that this wasn’t exactly a thorough search or anything and I may have missed something, the only potential exceptions to fear I could find were either never gonna happen or avoidable.

• Glad technically can trigger an unblockable buff with 300% AA if he lands an heavy with enough confidence and then could throw an unblockable special. If you let that happen though you deserve it.
• Duped Longshot has 300% base AA and gains an unblockable buff when he nullifies one off of you. Even if you brought a champ with an unblockable buff though, you probably couldn’t trigger it because you’re also inflicted with fear. Not a real issue.
• Crush is not an unblockable and thus is unaffected by fear, so Onslaught, Jessica Jones, and Kate can still go “unblockable”. Onslaught’s the only one who can practically trigger the crush on defense though and his specials are thankfully dexable, although not easily.
• A few techs like Nimrod and Deathstrike can go unblockable during specials and are immune to AAR against mutants. You can circumvent this with the revolutionary strategy of just not bringing a mutant against them because why would you do that.
• If Adam has his sovereignty buff, his buffs (including his unblockable) are unaffected by AAR. If you can dex the first hit of his specials and don’t let him throw a basic attack combo into block, he’ll never get the chance to trigger it anyways.
• Duped Prowler has 115% AA and has unblockable specials with 30 fury passives, so he has a small chance to go through. If you let him get 30 fury passives though that’s usually an error on your end.

So there really isn’t any exceptions of note besides Onslaught perhaps. The issue that meta is gonna be being forced to eat block chip during specials and any effects that trigger through block, not eating specials to the face.

Thank you for looking into this. It sounds like because of the faer the gc will be easier than vt.

_puy000_

Gamer said:

I really like this bg meta both of them

I don’t like it but to each their own.

peixemacaco

Which class will be better for this new BG season?
Thanks

_puy000_

peixemacaco said:

Which class will be better for this new BG season?
Thanks

Probably mystic would be my guess

peixemacaco

_puy000_ said:

peixemacaco said:

Which class will be better for this new BG season?
Thanks

Probably mystic would be my guess

Thanks

_puy000_

peixemacaco said:

_puy000_ said:

peixemacaco said:

Which class will be better for this new BG season?
Thanks

Probably mystic would be my guess

Thanks

Of course. I think science will be the best class for the gc because of the evade. It may come in handy when you’re rooted, especially silk.