Better Investment?

SpiderVerse

I want to strengthen my squad. It's between rank up both 6* hulkling and CGR to r5 or 7* scream to r3.

I can't do both option in the same time, due to the lacks of t6cc. So, which one you would prioritize? Would you rather having a two powerful proven 6* champion or just one new potential 7* champion? Which one benefit more from a rank up?

TotemCorruption

I'm like one of the biggest "6As are still viable" proponents out there, but if you have Scream and the T4A to R3 her, that is the move no questions asked.

As a Valiant, I'm only R5-ing 6s on the following conditions currently (not saying this is a recommendation, just my own decisionmaking process):
(1) I don't need the T6CCs to R3 an elite 7 right now;
(2) I have T2 dust ready to ascend the 6;
(3) The 6 is awakened, benefits from their signature ability, and I can sig 200 them.

SammyDe

Depends on how fast you can replenish your rank up materials as well. Hulkling and CGR can clear most contents but will slip further behind this year (with rank 4s 7*) unless they come out as 7*. That said, CGR alone has one of the best damage output in the game still.
However, if you do battlegrounds, that will still help you improve your roster. You can only ban 3 champs after all.
Questing is ok but there is only going to be 5/3/1 slots depending on the mode. Nowadays a high power 7* rank 3 can solo paths easily.
Hope that helps.

dr2ws

Rank up 7* Scream to r3

If this is a contribution to Valiant then Scream.

Darthbane3141

Rank up 7* Scream to r3

Do scream, then save up catalysts for CGR and Hulkling

SpiderVerse

TotemCorruption said:

I'm like one of the biggest "6As are still viable" proponents out there, but if you have Scream and the T4A to R3 her, that is the move no questions asked.

As a Valiant, I'm only R5-ing 6s on the following conditions currently (not saying this is a recommendation, just my own decisionmaking process):
(1) I don't need the T6CCs to R3 an elite 7 right now;
(2) I have T2 dust ready to ascend the 6;
(3) The 6 is awakened, benefits from their signature ability, and I can sig 200 them.

I got the t4a, also a cosmic AG (which probably best to keep for serpent but the fact that he just pass me 2 times of double serpent in 7* basic spin just..), also some sig to use.

But scream just came like few days ago, I saved the catalyst for the duo, initially. The two champs that so useful yet I like to play with even in r4.

Good to know, I like your method. Appreciate it

SpiderVerse

SammyDe said:

Depends on how fast you can replenish your rank up materials as well. Hulkling and CGR can clear most contents but will slip further behind this year (with rank 4s 7*) unless they come out as 7*. That said, CGR alone has one of the best damage output in the game still.
However, if you do battlegrounds, that will still help you improve your roster. You can only ban 3 champs after all.
Questing is ok but there is only going to be 5/3/1 slots depending on the mode. Nowadays a high power 7* rank 3 can solo paths easily.
Hope that helps.

T6cc is not so easy to get, I get them mostly during last banquet, it's a long way to form. I'm a tb that still need to complete and explore act7 and beyond. Plus, I like to play bgs more so that I can get 7*, my scream included.

So yeah, while I'm still trying to use scream, which is apparently so good and so fun, idk if she will carry me better than those two

SpiderVerse

dr2ws said:

If this is a contribution to Valiant then Scream.

It's not, I'm not even paragon yet

Darthbane3141 said:

Do scream, then save up catalysts for CGR and Hulkling

That's my latest plan but yeah, it's a long way to get those catalysts

Rayven5220

Given you're still TB, I would go for hulkling and cgr. 2 champs over one that bring more utility combined on your team.
You're not through act 7 even, so 2 of the best cosmic 6* locked champs will bring you further than one r3 will.

PantherusNZ

It's so important to include where you are in the game when asking about rank-ups because that can sometimes drastically change the usefulness (or lack thereof) of certain champions.

100% focus on Hulking and CGR for now - they'll be more widely useful.

Also, don't bother exploring Act 7 unless you absolutely cannot handle Act 8 - it's just not worth it for the rewards anymore. If you've completed it, go right on to Act 8 - that IS worth exploring still.

SpiderVerse

Rayven5220 said:

Given you're still TB, I would go for hulkling and cgr. 2 champs over one that bring more utility combined on your team.
You're not through act 7 even, so 2 of the best cosmic 6* locked champs will bring you further than one r3 will.

PantherusNZ said:

It's so important to include where you are in the game when asking about rank-ups because that can sometimes drastically change the usefulness (or lack thereof) of certain champions.

100% focus on Hulking and CGR for now - they'll be more widely useful.

Also, don't bother exploring Act 7 unless you absolutely cannot handle Act 8 - it's just not worth it for the rewards anymore. If you've completed it, go right on to Act 8 - that IS worth exploring still.

So, my question was basically based on my understanding of the game which I have no doubt that r5 ascended maxed hulkling and CGR are the best choice to conquer act 7 beyond due to their ability, while scream in other hand is great, got potential, but still 'not proven enough' in that task. Especially for an average player like me.

But, is it actually really matter to r5? Does is really that difference? Will it boost the damage greatly? While r4 is wonderful enough. Based on Khonsu web, the improvement of 6r4 (ascended) to r5 is around 700 in attack and 8000 in health. While for 7r2 to r3 is around 1200 in attack and around 15000 in health. So, on paper it's around double the potency. It looks like 7r3 is overkill.

Sometimes I saw people said that they will only r5 with a gem, because the 7* needs the catalyst more. You know, the jump of requirements for 6r2 to r3 compared with 6r4 to r5 is a lot. It's obviously the 3 t6cc which always needed in a 7* rank up. 7r2 to r3 costs 5 t6cc, plus 3 t4a.

I knew that r3 7* costs more than r5 a 6* but also boost more in stats (on paper). If we are talking about 6*cgr vs 7*cgr then I would rank the 7 without having a confusion. But now it's not, it's not a pure compare of a 6* rank up vs 7* rank up, it's also about the champ itself. So yeah, both option are great. Continue..

SpiderVerse

There is more reason why I have to asked this, while most of player wants to reach higher progression through story, I found myself not in a hurry to do that. At this point it feels like it just for better daily reward and unlock more content. Which is good but for casual player like me it's just not really motivate me. Plus, no guarantee that I could speed run those story act and a lot of paragon+ content like it's nothing, without hard time, well, I die a lot easily.

I would rather play bgs which is more fun and giving cool reward such as 7* shard, nexus, and more through the store. I'm usually score 300k per bg season, sometimes 275k, since I can access it. Burn my units for elder marks rather than prepare revive for story. For bgs use, it's actually better having a r4 cgr and hulkling since its rarely got banned.

In tb, I get a lot of things already, last banquet for example, I got a same tier reward as the endgame player. For around 15k units spent, I got 2+ r3s mats.

So yeah, that's why I'm not stating my title because I want to know the pure comparison between those two option, which one would you prioritize? Is it two of dominant, well known, recent top tier or one of exciting, potential, new, and future proof..

I got more votes for scream, maybe that's really the best for me, as I said before, it's also in line with my strategy of playing bgs. But you know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I need to get paragon first. Thanks for the advice though, it's just a hard decision. Or maybe I should just save my resources when its needed, not having to spend it now when I want

Rayven5220

@SpiderVerse I'm not sure how high you push in BG's, but those r4 CGR and hulkling are gonna take longer to take down 7r3 champs, and time is of the essence in BG's.

Given you said your focus is mostly BG's, that pushes me even more towards you taking then to r5 over scream to r3.

You say "but at r4 they rarely get banned" but while they sit at r4, your r3 scream is nearly guaranteed to get banned.

The more killer champs you have ranked, the better off you are, they can only ban 3 champs.

So let's say they ban cgr, hulkling and a random defender, that leaves the other 27 champs for you to draft.

But with the r3 scream, they'll ban her, and probably your next 2 nasty champs, and noe you're left with r4 cgr and hulkling to take down their highest ranked and nastiest defenders, which will now take more time due to them being r4.

In the end it's completely up to you, but having 1 threat, versus having multiple threats in BG's is a huge difference.

SpiderVerse

@Rayven5220
I'm not a hard pusher, obviously just playing in vt, never reach vibranium, it's too hard. Solo milestone is my goal.

Since my squad is just kinda typical new tb. Just 5 6r4 alongside some kinda mid 7r1, 3 6r3, some 6r2 and 2 7r3. Thats pretty much enough, if I'm not make some mistakes. So it's quite competitive.

But yeah, even then, it's a common things to face a stacked valiant, which is almost guaranteed to lose. Or paragon, or tb with some maxed 6 star and 7r2 which in a lot of time I could handle and make them forfeit.

It's like my opponent always banned my 7r3, silk and two of my 6r4 (my second 7r3 just joined few days ago). Since my max sig Fantman and Kate has higher pi than hulkling and CGR, those two cosmic rarely get banned. Which is a good thing. Hulkling definitely a dual threat, and sometimes CGR can defend too.

Now, that's a good point. Well, basically whoever I picked from both option to rank will eventually get banned, it's more likely scream or hulkling, maybe not for CGR (opponent usually ban a dual threat or potential defender). The thing is hulkling is just too good, not having him available would be a great loss for me. While if I rank my scream so that she get banned, as a sacrifice, I could draft Fantman and Kate which are also great as dual threat and so reliable. And if they still ban my Fantman (this could still happen), I can nuke their defense with my scream lol.

I knew that the ideal way is to only bring minimum of 6r4 alongside 7r2 to the deck, but it's practically impossible for me right now lol. I can't rank up a dozen of champs instantly.