Falter immunity not triggering?

EliteYeti

Went against 8.2.2 Elektra and thought I'd use prowler since his kit lines up with countering the nodes. But for some reason I'm still being faltered when it states that he's immune to falter. His kit doesn't specify falter debuffs so it should include passives as well. Am I missing something?

Giantwalrus56

Did you have any debuffs on you? Opponents suffer 85% defensive ability accuracy in her base kit. Maybe that's why? Not saying that's it, but I know you can't start a fight with a parry against her if you're running recoil tree from experience

EliteYeti

Yes in that second pic I do which would make sense i guess. But in this pic here I'm still getting faltered with 0 debuffs and his immunity is still not triggering

Average_Desi

When a champion is immune to an effect, they are immune to either Debuff/Buff version of it , and the passive version of it. If it's neither of these two, then they will still be affected by it.

You know how in the Gwenmaster fight even armour break immune champs will be affected by Armour Break? This is how.

In the pause menu, it will show whether an effect is a Buff/Debuff or a passive. In the screenshot you've put , it shows neither. So Prowler will be affected by it. Is prowler the first Falter immune champ?


Prowler won't be affected by the falters shown above

Maratox

This is 100% a bug. Doesn’t matter how you look at it, he should be immune to falter but he’s still being inflicted with it. Thats a bug

Average_Desi

Maratox said:

This is 100% a bug. Doesn’t matter how you look at it, he should be immune to falter but he’s still being inflicted with it. Thats a bug

Gameplay wise, yeah, it's a bug. But there's nothing broken here. Maybe while doing 8.2 they never accounted for the future possibility of falter immune champs

Maratox

Average_Desi said:

Maratox said:

This is 100% a bug. Doesn’t matter how you look at it, he should be immune to falter but he’s still being inflicted with it. Thats a bug

Gameplay wise, yeah, it's a bug. But there's nothing broken here. Maybe while doing 8.2 they never accounted for the future possibility of falter immune champs

How is there nothing broken here? That’s like colossus having a bleed on him and saying “there’s nothing broken here”

Average_Desi

Maratox said:

Average_Desi said:

Maratox said:

This is 100% a bug. Doesn’t matter how you look at it, he should be immune to falter but he’s still being inflicted with it. Thats a bug

Gameplay wise, yeah, it's a bug. But there's nothing broken here. Maybe while doing 8.2 they never accounted for the future possibility of falter immune champs

How is there nothing broken here? That’s like colossus having a bleed on him and saying “there’s nothing broken here”

I mean nothing broken as far as inner game mechanics are concerned. Yes it would be broken if Prowler had a Falter effect on him. But the falter on prowler is neither a debuff nor a passive. So as far as the game is concerned, it can apply on him.

There was nothing broken when Colossus got and armour break or Coldsnap places on him by Gwenmaster. There was nothing broken when doom got an armour break while facing Gwenmaster.

Gameplay wise, yes, you wouldn't expect this to happen unless there was something mentioned.

JhonST33

Average_Desi said:

Maratox said:

Average_Desi said:

Maratox said:

This is 100% a bug. Doesn’t matter how you look at it, he should be immune to falter but he’s still being inflicted with it. Thats a bug

Gameplay wise, yeah, it's a bug. But there's nothing broken here. Maybe while doing 8.2 they never accounted for the future possibility of falter immune champs

How is there nothing broken here? That’s like colossus having a bleed on him and saying “there’s nothing broken here”

I mean nothing broken as far as inner game mechanics are concerned. Yes it would be broken if Prowler had a Falter effect on him. But the falter on prowler is neither a debuff nor a passive. So as far as the game is concerned, it can apply on him.

There was nothing broken when Colossus got and armour break or Coldsnap places on him by Gwenmaster. There was nothing broken when doom got an armour break while facing Gwenmaster.

Gameplay wise, yes, you wouldn't expect this to happen unless there was something mentioned.

If you read the Gwenmaster’s abilities she places armor breaks even if the opponent is immune, so at least something similar is stated at the node description this is a bug.

Average_Desi

JhonST33 said:

Average_Desi said:

Maratox said:

Average_Desi said:

Maratox said:

This is 100% a bug. Doesn’t matter how you look at it, he should be immune to falter but he’s still being inflicted with it. Thats a bug

Gameplay wise, yeah, it's a bug. But there's nothing broken here. Maybe while doing 8.2 they never accounted for the future possibility of falter immune champs

How is there nothing broken here? That’s like colossus having a bleed on him and saying “there’s nothing broken here”

I mean nothing broken as far as inner game mechanics are concerned. Yes it would be broken if Prowler had a Falter effect on him. But the falter on prowler is neither a debuff nor a passive. So as far as the game is concerned, it can apply on him.

There was nothing broken when Colossus got and armour break or Coldsnap places on him by Gwenmaster. There was nothing broken when doom got an armour break while facing Gwenmaster.

Gameplay wise, yes, you wouldn't expect this to happen unless there was something mentioned.

If you read the Gwenmaster’s abilities she places armor breaks even if the opponent is immune, so at least something similar is stated at the node description this is a bug.

Yes. But I don't think they wanted it like that here. Just an oversight

EliteYeti

rel="Average_Desi">When a champion is immune to

Average_Desi said:

When a champion is immune to an effect, they are immune to either Debuff/Buff version of it , and the passive version of it. If it's neither of these two, then they will still be affected by it.

You know how in the Gwenmaster fight even armour break immune champs will be affected by Armour Break? This is how.

In the pause menu, it will show whether an effect is a Buff/Debuff or a passive. In the screenshot you've put , it shows neither. So Prowler will be affected by it. Is prowler the first Falter immune champ?


Prowler won't be affected by the falters shown above

Ah that makes sense, thanks for pointing that out. Would've been nice if that was explicitly said in the node, that it's neither a debuff or passive. Either that or change it to an actual debuff or passive and trigger his immunity like intended. And yes he's currently the only falter immune so far.

I also find it silly that in his dev notes they say to take him to all those pesky falter nodes but this is the one node that he can't by pass

horrendous_too

EliteYeti said:

rel="Average_Desi">When a champion is immune to

Average_Desi said:

When a champion is immune to an effect, they are immune to either Debuff/Buff version of it , and the passive version of it. If it's neither of these two, then they will still be affected by it.

You know how in the Gwenmaster fight even armour break immune champs will be affected by Armour Break? This is how.

In the pause menu, it will show whether an effect is a Buff/Debuff or a passive. In the screenshot you've put , it shows neither. So Prowler will be affected by it. Is prowler the first Falter immune champ?


Prowler won't be affected by the falters shown above

Ah that makes sense, thanks for pointing that out. Would've been nice if that was explicitly said in the node, that it's neither a debuff or passive. Either that or change it to an actual debuff or passive and trigger his immunity like intended. And yes he's currently the only falter immune so far.

I also find it silly that in his dev notes they say to take him to all those pesky falter nodes but this is the one node that he can't by pass

So it seems pretty clear that yes that is a bug. But also you don't want to take him there even if it was working. That second part of the haunted node makes it so any damage you do to them while faltered will be reflected back on you. I remember dying twice on that fight because I threw an sp3 while they were faltered, which hits and then reflects back on me and I died.

Khellendros138

But if he's immune to falter he would never be faltered right? That's like saying if a bleed immune champ deals damage to you while they're bleeding it would be reflected back on them.

KingKongColby38

Yea prowler first falter immune and spiral is 2nd

Alex_warsi

They still have not fixed it @Kabam Miike @Kabam Porthos @Kabam Lyra
Can the team please accept this as a bug and work to fix, he is immune to falter and should not be applied to no matter what. i never see warlock bleed.