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  • SkunkcabbageSkunkcabbage Member Posts: 570 ★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,638 ★★★★★

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Didn't Apoc have that thing you can't shrug dots? So you were already taking full duration on bleed and poison? 🤔
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★
    edited March 24

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
  • GrabmeMCOCGrabmeMCOC Member Posts: 202 ★★

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    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    And why did you get dot?

    I'm pretty sure apoc only applies DOT if U get clipped by a sp😂
    I'll check if I recorded any of the fights to confirm. I can Dex sp1 and sp2 though, so it shouldn't be that

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    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    And why did you get dot?

    I'm pretty sure apoc only applies DOT if U get clipped by a sp😂
    I'll check if I recorded any of the fights to confirm. I can Dex sp1 and sp2 though, so it shouldn't be that

    I think it would be easier to accept 2 things.

    1. You had little to no support from you BG. And that sucks. You should speak to them or leave.
    2. You were not good enough to complete this content alone. And that’s fine. But if you couldn’t take down your share of the boss, I don’t think you deserve the rewards.
  • BogoBogo Member Posts: 340 ★★

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    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    And why did you get dot?

    I'm pretty sure apoc only applies DOT if U get clipped by a sp😂
    I'll check if I recorded any of the fights to confirm. I can Dex sp1 and sp2 though, so it shouldn't be that

    rel="Bogo">

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    And why did you get dot?

    I'm pretty sure apoc only applies DOT if U get clipped by a sp😂
    I'll check if I recorded any of the fights to confirm. I can Dex sp1 and sp2 though, so it shouldn't be that

    I think it would be easier to accept 2 things.

    1. You had little to no support from you BG. And that sucks. You should speak to them or leave.
    2. You were not good enough to complete this content alone. And that’s fine. But if you couldn’t take down your share of the boss, I don’t think you deserve the rewards.

    It was definitely option 1, they were good enough to put up 47 mil and if the rest of the BG did the same then they would've finished raids.
    But it is not a problem with kabam not giving out enough revives.
  • SkunkcabbageSkunkcabbage Member Posts: 570 ★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
    Thank you!! That explains it - Apoc was fully loaded at 4 charges when I reached him I'm pretty sure, I would've probably turned them off if I was able to do damage at first, and tried to figure out what was happening.
  • SkunkcabbageSkunkcabbage Member Posts: 570 ★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
    I tested it on practice mode without the default 4 charges and it didn't auto melt me:
    https://youtu.be/eB_jvFkmdPM?si=PWMsUiH_xuiG6avS

    Super frustrating, if I knew this earlier I could've chipped him down myself a lot more.
  • BogoBogo Member Posts: 340 ★★
    Apoc was holding onto those sp1s like they were a newborn baby😂
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★

    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
    I tested it on practice mode without the default 4 charges and it didn't auto melt me:
    https://youtu.be/eB_jvFkmdPM?si=PWMsUiH_xuiG6avS

    Super frustrating, if I knew this earlier I could've chipped him down myself a lot more.
    Whenever something unexpected happens to me in a fight, I assume I missed something. Some node, some aspect of the kit, some weird interaction, and then I go back and read those things. The game is huge, with an impossible number of moving parts to keep track of, so it’s never a bad idea to take your time when things go sideways.
  • SkunkcabbageSkunkcabbage Member Posts: 570 ★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
    I tested it on practice mode without the default 4 charges and it didn't auto melt me:
    https://youtu.be/eB_jvFkmdPM?si=PWMsUiH_xuiG6avS

    Super frustrating, if I knew this earlier I could've chipped him down myself a lot more.
    Whenever something unexpected happens to me in a fight, I assume I missed something. Some node, some aspect of the kit, some weird interaction, and then I go back and read those things. The game is huge, with an impossible number of moving parts to keep track of, so it’s never a bad idea to take your time when things go sideways.
    Thanks dude, super pleased to have solved this one! 🫶
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 2,233 ★★★★★
    How many hours can I use to trade for 180 tickets? I’m sick of using all my loyalty
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,458 ★★★★★
    Our alliance couldn't clear him as well. The first raids were always overtuned. Hopefully this gets easier next time.
  • Adri5846Adri5846 Member Posts: 209 ★★

    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
    I tested it on practice mode without the default 4 charges and it didn't auto melt me:
    https://youtu.be/eB_jvFkmdPM?si=PWMsUiH_xuiG6avS

    Super frustrating, if I knew this earlier I could've chipped him down myself a lot more.
    In the video we can see that Apoc puts DOT despite the full dex. Maybe his overpowered attack rating melts Hit Monkey with the DOT?
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★
    Adri5846 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
    I tested it on practice mode without the default 4 charges and it didn't auto melt me:
    https://youtu.be/eB_jvFkmdPM?si=PWMsUiH_xuiG6avS

    Super frustrating, if I knew this earlier I could've chipped him down myself a lot more.
    In the video we can see that Apoc puts DOT despite the full dex. Maybe his overpowered attack rating melts Hit Monkey with the DOT?
    This question has been answered, but I’ll restate it. If the opponent is already suffering from a DOT (like from the recoil masteries) when Apoc throws one of his specials, he applies his effects even if he never makes contact when he has four charges. It is in his kit. It has always been in his kit.
  • udygysyaudygysya Member Posts: 43
    Kabam always apologizes. But they do tests on our money, because the raid tickets cost a lot. And they say, yes we're going to rebalance, But not our money? You always do tests on our money. Test beforehand, or give back tickets
  • Adri5846Adri5846 Member Posts: 209 ★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Adri5846 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    Wicket329 said:

    You’re meant to dex his specials and intercept him. Once you play into the node you get damage. 2% per revive from the 7-8 in the bundle would’ve got you 14-16%. With help from your BG you would have cleared it.

    How can I beat him with Hitmonkey? I dexed sp1 and sp2 but just melted away
    Send a ticket to Kabam and explain that after fully dexing his specials and completing the tasks of dodge, light, knock down prompts, you still managed to do zero damage.

    Sounds like you have a good case. 👍
    Read my comment again friend - Apoc put DOT on me when he used a special and very shortly thereafter Hitmonkey shed his mortal coil. Savvy?
    Were you running recoils?
    Yeah, but it wasn't the double edge and liquid courage that got me, it was when he threw his specials.
    Part of Apoc’s kit is that he auto applies his debuffs on special if the opponent is already suffering from a DOT effect. That’s why you were getting melted despite dexing the specials.

    Never fight Apoc at full charges with recoils on. Hit Monkey without recoils likely would’ve shredded that fight.
    I tested it on practice mode without the default 4 charges and it didn't auto melt me:
    https://youtu.be/eB_jvFkmdPM?si=PWMsUiH_xuiG6avS

    Super frustrating, if I knew this earlier I could've chipped him down myself a lot more.
    In the video we can see that Apoc puts DOT despite the full dex. Maybe his overpowered attack rating melts Hit Monkey with the DOT?
    This question has been answered, but I’ll restate it. If the opponent is already suffering from a DOT (like from the recoil masteries) when Apoc throws one of his specials, he applies his effects even if he never makes contact when he has four charges. It is in his kit. It has always been in his kit.
    I dindt say the opposite, I know his kit.

    What I mean is if the power of a raid boss Apoc is enought to kill a Hit Monkey with his DOT very quickly. The attack rating of a raid boss has to be insane.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,638 ★★★★★
    I think everyone should agree with OP regardless. This Raid was a mess, there is no way to defend it and no reason to give them anything positive by not agreeing with OP.
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★

    I think everyone should agree with OP regardless. This Raid was a mess, there is no way to defend it and no reason to give them anything positive by not agreeing with OP.

    Oh full agree that this was bad content in desperate need of revision. I don’t want my comments on mechanics to be seen as defending it. Burying fight critical information amongst 17 other nodes, most of which don’t have a severe impact on the fight, is extremely poor design. Most people didn’t understand why they were taking damage or various interactions were happening because it required a magnifying glass and advanced degree to decipher all of it.
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