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Will recent P2W champs be available later for F2P?

DinoHop05DinoHop05 Member Posts: 113 ★★★
Lumatrix is basically locked behind a paywall for 99% of players. Dark Phoenix is locked behind a paywall for 98% of players who don't grind units like lunatics. To date, all other "trophy" champs, save Sigil Witch, were made available to non-paying players after some time passed. Will Lumatrix and Dark Phoenix be available later for those who choose not to pay Kabam's high prices now?

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  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 9,025 ★★★★★
    Eidols will all be in the basic at some point. Not sure about dark phoenix though
  • VanillaCokeVanillaCoke Member Posts: 1,567 ★★★★★
    That’s how it usually is. The 7* Gifted Guardians eventually got added. Granted, we may have to wait months or over a year, but it will eventually come
  • Heavenlydemon_06Heavenlydemon_06 Member Posts: 96
    What happens of what we are collecting as dark plumbs or whatever was that.
  • ViperOfChampionViperOfChampion Member Posts: 935 ★★★

    What happens of what we are collecting as dark plumbs or whatever was that.

    it will become OG phoenix
  • ViperOfChampionViperOfChampion Member Posts: 935 ★★★
    @KabamDORK will we be getting any rank up gems with Phoenix similar to sinister or no
  • DinoHop05DinoHop05 Member Posts: 113 ★★★
    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,110 ★★★★★
    DinoHop05 said:

    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953

    Lumatrix should be in basics soon
  • SambobSambob Member Posts: 66 ★★
    I just want that 7* red guardian :(
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,764 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    DinoHop05 said:

    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953

    Lumatrix should be in basics soon
    Lumatrix is far from hitting basic crystals. He's not even out of his exclusive store yet.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,921 ★★★★★
    DinoHop05 said:

    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953

    You can't figure out the answer for yourself?
    Don't get me wrong, I also get frustrated by some of Kabam's business decisions, but it's like, you either pay, grind and save units, or just don't participate in the sales and move on with your life.
    No use being a crybaby about a video game and using emotional language more suited for real economic issues, like housing, medical care, etc.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,110 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    DinoHop05 said:

    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953

    Lumatrix should be in basics soon
    Lumatrix is far from hitting basic crystals. He's not even out of his exclusive store yet.
    Obviously not so soon, but later this year probably
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 2,282 ★★★★
    I got 6* Lumatrix, can't get 7*

    I think at least a year before he will be more easily available
  • VendemiaireVendemiaire Member Posts: 2,371 ★★★★★
    The trend for most of these P2W champs is they are more focused on defensive ability. (Weapon X, Jessica Jones, and now Dark Phoenix). Of course, it doesn't mean that they don't have offensive prowess, they'll still be above average, but I won't be surprised if OG Phoenix can outperform Dark Phoenix on offense.

    High Cost P2W champs = Weapon X, Jessica Jones, Dark Phoenix
    - Will put a dent in your bank.
    - High Defense prowess.
    - Only obtainable during big events (Banquet, Heart of Fire, etc.)

    Somehow Reasonable Cost P2W champs = Lumatrix, Platinumpass Champs
    - Somehow reasonable price.
    - Above Average on both Offense and Defense.
    - Has a chance to enter basics.

    Deadpool
    - Deadpool
  • DinoHop05DinoHop05 Member Posts: 113 ★★★

    DinoHop05 said:

    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953

    You can't figure out the answer for yourself?
    Don't get me wrong, I also get frustrated by some of Kabam's business decisions, but it's like, you either pay, grind and save units, or just don't participate in the sales and move on with your life.
    No use being a crybaby about a video game and using emotional language more suited for real economic issues, like housing, medical care, etc.
    I'm not crying, and you don't need to call people names to make a point. I'm simply noting that they're now releasing meta-relevant champs exclusively to paying players. Is it frustrating? Sure. Do I think it's fair to point out this new trend to vent my frustrations with a game I enjoy and would prefer to be more fair? I think there certainly are worse ways to express myself.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,110 ★★★★★

    The trend for most of these P2W champs is they are more focused on defensive ability. (Weapon X, Jessica Jones, and now Dark Phoenix). Of course, it doesn't mean that they don't have offensive prowess, they'll still be above average, but I won't be surprised if OG Phoenix can outperform Dark Phoenix on offense.

    High Cost P2W champs = Weapon X, Jessica Jones, Dark Phoenix
    - Will put a dent in your bank.
    - High Defense prowess.
    - Only obtainable during big events (Banquet, Heart of Fire, etc.)

    Somehow Reasonable Cost P2W champs = Lumatrix, Platinumpass Champs
    - Somehow reasonable price.
    - Above Average on both Offense and Defense.
    - Has a chance to enter basics.

    Deadpool
    - Deadpool

    Also don’t forget Maestro
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 2,282 ★★★★
    Spending players keep the game going so they get all the cool stuff first

    FTP players have to wait
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,921 ★★★★★
    edited May 7
    DinoHop05 said:

    DinoHop05 said:

    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953

    You can't figure out the answer for yourself?
    Don't get me wrong, I also get frustrated by some of Kabam's business decisions, but it's like, you either pay, grind and save units, or just don't participate in the sales and move on with your life.
    No use being a crybaby about a video game and using emotional language more suited for real economic issues, like housing, medical care, etc.
    I'm not crying, and you don't need to call people names to make a point. I'm simply noting that they're now releasing meta-relevant champs exclusively to paying players. Is it frustrating? Sure. Do I think it's fair to point out this new trend to vent my frustrations with a game I enjoy and would prefer to be more fair? I think there certainly are worse ways to express myself.
    You said: "Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall."
    Even assuming it's a paywall and not a unit wall given the steep unit costs, you obviously know the answer: it is to make money.
    Can you explain to me why you feel like Kabam owes you a justification for making decisions in order to make money?
    I don't go into a restaurant I can't afford to eat at and demand an explanation for their prices.
    So what is the mindset here? Is it because so much is given for free in this game that it creates an expectation of access and so when something like this Dark Phoenix release comes out people feel betrayed?
  • DinoHop05DinoHop05 Member Posts: 113 ★★★

    DinoHop05 said:

    DinoHop05 said:

    In case anyone missed it, it appears that the answer to my question is no. That's unfortunate. Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2801953#Comment_2801953

    You can't figure out the answer for yourself?
    Don't get me wrong, I also get frustrated by some of Kabam's business decisions, but it's like, you either pay, grind and save units, or just don't participate in the sales and move on with your life.
    No use being a crybaby about a video game and using emotional language more suited for real economic issues, like housing, medical care, etc.
    I'm not crying, and you don't need to call people names to make a point. I'm simply noting that they're now releasing meta-relevant champs exclusively to paying players. Is it frustrating? Sure. Do I think it's fair to point out this new trend to vent my frustrations with a game I enjoy and would prefer to be more fair? I think there certainly are worse ways to express myself.
    You said: "Kabam should explain why they are now making meta-relevant P2W champs locked behind a permanent paywall."
    Even assuming it's a paywall and not a unit wall given the steep unit costs, you obviously know the answer: it is to make money.
    Can you explain to me why you feel like Kabam owes you a justification for making decisions in order to make money?
    I don't go into a restaurant I can't afford to eat at and demand an explanation for their prices.
    So what is the mindset here? Is it because so much is given for free in this game that it creates an expectation of access and so when something like this Dark Phoenix release comes out people feel betrayed?
    They owe a justification for a few reasons:

    1. Never before have meta relevant champs been made available exclusively to paying players. This is a change from the past where paying got you access earlier. It's a whole different beast when the access is either "pay now or don't get it."
    2. More than paying players play this game. There aren't separate BG brackets for P2W v. F2P. Nor should there be, that's lunacy. But all competitive game modes have a balancing act that tries to weigh various players abilities. Fighting skill can get you so far. Roster size can get you further. Strategy can help. And so on. But when one of those things becomes too weighted, it disrupts the experience. Basically if roster size is now going to dictate more matchups than it did before, Kabam should explain why they think that's good for all of us, regardless of how much we spend.
    3. It's just good player relations. I have no problem with spenders getting an advantage. But Kabam hasn't even acknowledged that they have changed how they roll out these amazing champs. It was a small problem with Lumatrix, it's a bigger problem with Dark Phoenix. Providing a justification for why they're disrupting the game balance so drastically is the least they can do.
    4. I want to know if these champs really are exclusive. Kraven the Hunter still is not available as a 7" except as a spending prize in the Pool event last year. I don't care about Kraven because he's not meta relevant, but I care about Dark Phoenix. So I want to know if I should be more chill because hey, she'll come in a year or whatever. Mike's comment that I linked above suggests she won't be available. So I'm now free to criticize that decision, but I wouldn't have known if I didn't ask.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,110 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    The trend for most of these P2W champs is they are more focused on defensive ability. (Weapon X, Jessica Jones, and now Dark Phoenix). Of course, it doesn't mean that they don't have offensive prowess, they'll still be above average, but I won't be surprised if OG Phoenix can outperform Dark Phoenix on offense.

    High Cost P2W champs = Weapon X, Jessica Jones, Dark Phoenix
    - Will put a dent in your bank.
    - High Defense prowess.
    - Only obtainable during big events (Banquet, Heart of Fire, etc.)

    Somehow Reasonable Cost P2W champs = Lumatrix, Platinumpass Champs
    - Somehow reasonable price.
    - Above Average on both Offense and Defense.
    - Has a chance to enter basics.

    Deadpool
    - Deadpool

    Also don’t forget Maestro
    What does Maestro have to do with PTW champs?
    He's obtainable by doing content.
    You may need units for necropolis. He’s not a PTW champ like Dark Phoenix but he is a trophy champ
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