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Wheel of Fate rewards feel lackluster

AyemeboiAyemeboi Member Posts: 139 ★★
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Obviously we have not seen the quest, but Crashed said the quest design team claimed it may have been the hardest quest they have ever designed. Does an r4, one titan, one champ selector, one awakening gem crystal, and two 7* nexus feel like good rewards for possibly the most difficult quest in the contest? Personally, it feels like there is something missing.

Epoch provided a class r4, a titan, a 7* nexus, 1 7* generic awakening gem, 2->3 gem, and 1 t7 catalyst just for completion/exploration. That is not to mention the 6 additional class 7*, 8k awakening gem shards, and 50 class 7* sig stones, 1->2 gems, 4 t6 cc selectors for each class.

I understand the value of a great champion selector, but it feels like unless there are additional rewards within each quest, what we were shown is pretty lackluster for something that may take more revives than epoch did. I also may be jumping ahead and making too many assumptions, but I just thought I would put it out there and see what others thought.
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  • AyemeboiAyemeboi Member Posts: 139 ★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Kabam calls every piece of content they design the hardest thing, I’d wait to see the effort required but if it is truly the most difficult, I agree the rewards would be extremely lackluster

    I agree about their comments, and it is impossible to know without actually seeing the quest, but I just wanted to talk about it since it does seem lackluster compared to the challenge they have described. We already know that Serpent, Bullseye, and DThanos will be 3 of 12 defenders that make up the quest, who aren't exactly an easy fight even without nodes. With a dwindling champion pool each quest, I do feel like it will end up being decently difficult. Either way, we will see. But even the valiant EQ almost gives better rewards than the first quest in the wheel of fate.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,640 ★★★★★
    We haven't seen the content yet.
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 12,033 ★★★★★
    Honestly I’m just happy I be having something to use my review one.
  • AyemeboiAyemeboi Member Posts: 139 ★★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    We haven't seen the content yet.

    I know, I am just trying to create a discussion about the upcoming content and how what is being described (during the stream and by Crashed) feels like a lot of work for rewards that were shown. If you want to come back and tell me how wrong I was once we see the quest, please do. I am just trying to see what others think given the information we have at the moment.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,933 ★★★★★
    We know all 3 quests are the same, and the first one or two are easy, and the only thing that changes is the pool of eligible champs you can use. So if it's just an issue of bad matchups, that doesn't seem as bad to me as like straight up difficult nodes.
    Crashed also didn't say he thought it was the hardest content, just that one co-worker thought so.
    We know nothing about this co-worker, how long they've been playing, etc.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,620 ★★★★★
    TotemCorruption said:

    We know all 3 quests are the same, and the first one or two are easy, and the only thing that changes is the pool of eligible champs you can use. So if it's just an issue of bad matchups, that doesn't seem as bad to me as like straight up difficult nodes.
    Crashed also didn't say he thought it was the hardest content, just that one co-worker thought so.
    We know nothing about this co-worker, how long they've been playing, etc.


    It’s certainly shorter than Necro, at least. That was what, 14 fights x 6 paths?
  • Zephyre33Zephyre33 Member Posts: 216 ★
    i think this quest will be hard in terms of roster because we have to use specific taggeg chamions for each boss and the pool gets lower each quest so we may have to use unconventional counters to meta defenders like serpent or bullseye or even use r1s thats why i think they said its hard because in every other everest content we only got requirements such as use only 7* (like in ordeal) or the lass gates and rarity gate in epoch

    quest itself maybe be ordeal level but we cant bring our best champs or hard counters thats why its labeled as the hardest quest
  • XlebXleb Member Posts: 868 ★★★
    Ayemeboi said:

    Obviously we have not seen the quest, but Crashed said the quest design team claimed it may have been the hardest quest they have ever designed. Does an r4, one titan, one champ selector, one awakening gem crystal, and two 7* nexus feel like good rewards for possibly the most difficult quest in the contest? Personally, it feels like there is something missing.

    Epoch provided a class r4, a titan, a 7* nexus, 1 7* generic awakening gem, 2->3 gem, and 1 t7 catalyst just for completion/exploration. That is not to mention the 6 additional class 7*, 8k awakening gem shards, and 50 class 7* sig stones, 1->2 gems, 4 t6 cc selectors for each class.

    I understand the value of a great champion selector, but it feels like unless there are additional rewards within each quest, what we were shown is pretty lackluster for something that may take more revives than epoch did. I also may be jumping ahead and making too many assumptions, but I just thought I would put it out there and see what others thought.

    It seems to me that when Necropolis came out they said the same thing, when Cruisible came out they said the same thing (but with the amendment that from the point of view of team selection), they will continue to say this lol
  • RebarkRebark Member Posts: 485 ★★★
    I think that about 3 rankup gems from rank 2 to rank 3 would help a lot to increase the value without breaking anything.
    I would trade the Titan for a Nexus Titan.
    50x 7* generic stones

    At the end of the day, we have to see what comes in the selector too.
    Imagine that a champion like Spidey who was restricted to Carina's content creator challenge is in this selector.
    I'm counting on that, I already have almost all the champions that are in the basic pool with the exception of Prowler, if there isn't something really relevant in this selector, I don't know what to think about it
  • AzdefAzdef Member Posts: 326 ★★
    It would be fun if one of the tags were #Eidol...
  • Zacharias10719Zacharias10719 Member Posts: 181 ★★★
    edited June 3
    Rebark said:

    I think that about 3 rankup gems from rank 2 to rank 3 would help a lot to increase the value without breaking anything.
    I would trade the Titan for a Nexus Titan.
    50x 7* generic stones

    At the end of the day, we have to see what comes in the selector too.
    Imagine that a champion like Spidey who was restricted to Carina's content creator challenge is in this selector.
    I'm counting on that, I already have almost all the champions that are in the basic pool with the exception of Prowler, if there isn't something really relevant in this selector, I don't know what to think about it

    Pretty sure they said on steam that the selector is the 12 defenders from the quest minus the boss
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,477 ★★★★★
    Btw I really hope champs like FAM or nick would be present in the quest, I know they won't be, but it would be nice if they're present, so peasants like me can get one😭.

  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,477 ★★★★★
    It's 12 right, excluding boss, so Here are my guesses.

    Mutant - onslutty and domihoe maybe
    Skill - bullseye (as we know) and probably attuma/nick (I'm coping)
    Science - definitely photon has to be there, so I can dupe her. I think Jessie won't be there obviously, the second one would be someone like spot or mr negative (Am I missing any obvious science defenders)?
    Mystic - spiral as we know, likely along with midchantress
    Cosmic - serpent and maestro I guess
    Tech - FAM (again coping) or zola and arcade/sentinel redskull (any two of these 5, but I bet zola will be one of em).

    Did I missed any obvious ones?
  • Kingering_KingKingering_King Member Posts: 1,752 ★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Kabam calls every piece of content they design the hardest thing, I’d wait to see the effort required but if it is truly the most difficult, I agree the rewards would be extremely lackluster

    Yeah, like how Ares was supposed to be the hardest boss. Spent over 200 revives on that mf, he felt easy enough towards the end… towards the end… after the end…?
  • OnepieceisnotrealOnepieceisnotreal Member Posts: 148 ★
    What if the other mystic defender is doom or abs man
  • TheMostHated1TheMostHated1 Member Posts: 133 ★
    Kingering_King said:

    Emilia90 said:

    Kabam calls every piece of content they design the hardest thing, I’d wait to see the effort required but if it is truly the most difficult, I agree the rewards would be extremely lackluster

    Yeah, like how Ares was supposed to be the hardest boss. Spent over 200 revives on that mf, he felt easy enough towards the end… towards the end… after the end…?
    The revive count became smaller the more you fought him
  • TheMostHated1TheMostHated1 Member Posts: 133 ★
    edited June 3
    Onepieceisnotreal said:

    What if the other mystic defender is doom or abs man

    Would be kinda crazy, but it’s definitely not them
  • N8buckeye08N8buckeye08 Member Posts: 488 ★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    It's 12 right, excluding boss, so Here are my guesses.

    Mutant - onslutty and domihoe maybe
    Skill - bullseye (as we know) and probably attuma/nick (I'm coping)
    Science - definitely photon has to be there, so I can dupe her. I think Jessie won't be there obviously, the second one would be someone like spot or mr negative (Am I missing any obvious science defenders)?
    Mystic - spiral as we know, likely along with midchantress
    Cosmic - serpent and maestro I guess
    Tech - FAM (again coping) or zola and arcade/sentinel redskull (any two of these 5, but I bet zola will be one of em).

    Did I missed any obvious ones?

    Good list but I don’t think it will include any limited access champions, so get rid of Nick, FAM, and Maestro.

    My changes
    Skill - Chee’ilth or Crossbones with a crazy node
    Science - Ham
    Cosmic - Knull (and tags will eliminate any reverse immune options)
  • ChiefGoatChiefGoat Member Posts: 264 ★★
    As always, can’t satisfy everyone. There will always be people in this community that just want to complain about anything and everything.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,933 ★★★★★
    Folks, there is no way that FAM, Maestro, Spidey, etc. will be in the selector.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,586 ★★★★★
    Magrailothos said:

    A couple of thoughts on the up-coming Everest content:

    If it weren't the hardest piece of content, why bother making it?

    Also
    - The content may be harder, but are you running it with 7*r1s (like Necropolis) and 7*r2-3s? (like Epoch?)
    - Or are you mostly going to be using r3-r4s?

    Yes, rewards should be, in some way, significant; but if they're too good, then (1) rewards inflation becomes a real problem, and (2) running and completing the Wheel of Fate becomes almost a requirement for competitive players; instead of an option. Is that what we want?

    This is permanent, challenging content. Ultimately the best thing for the game is if it is a rewarding challenge, but not a necessary one.
    Best if people don't run the content for the amazing rewards: they run the content for exactly the same reason people climb Everest- because it's there.

    Rewards inflation already is/will be a problem with how easy it is for some players to get t7b once AW / AQ have radiance. This content gives a single r4 but you can already get that from 1-2 months of getting radiance. Given that they put such a large number of t7b available for purchase there , the rank 4 rewards from Wheel of Fate are going to get outdated very quick.

    Hence why i can never understand the people that try to defend saying "we havent seen it yet", anytime content had strict champion gates it was usually more on the difficult side
    Just think back to those EOP gauntlet challenges that had you using some of the worst champs like rogue, scarlet witch etc
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