Wheel of Fate rewards feel lackluster

Obviously we have not seen the quest, but Crashed said the quest design team claimed it may have been the hardest quest they have ever designed. Does an r4, one titan, one champ selector, one awakening gem crystal, and two 7* nexus feel like good rewards for possibly the most difficult quest in the contest? Personally, it feels like there is something missing.

Epoch provided a class r4, a titan, a 7* nexus, 1 7* generic awakening gem, 2->3 gem, and 1 t7 catalyst just for completion/exploration. That is not to mention the 6 additional class 7*, 8k awakening gem shards, and 50 class 7* sig stones, 1->2 gems, 4 t6 cc selectors for each class.

I understand the value of a great champion selector, but it feels like unless there are additional rewards within each quest, what we were shown is pretty lackluster for something that may take more revives than epoch did. I also may be jumping ahead and making too many assumptions, but I just thought I would put it out there and see what others thought.

Comments

Gamer

Well what if it turns out out to be another ordeal thing not that hard maybe wait for the release of it I’m personally fine with it.

Chuck_Finley

The first time completion of EOP was good… even if you didn’t have the roster or will to explore it, the completion rewards felt like it was worth the trouble.

This Wheel of Fate looks like “explore it or don’t waste your time.”

Ayemeboi

Well what if it turns out out to be another ordeal thing not that hard maybe wait for the release of it I’m personally fine with it.

I agree that I am jumping the gun, but Crash's comment about it being possibly the hardest quest they have ever designed makes me doubt that it will be another ordeal and implies that it will be harder than necro and epoch.

Emilia90

Kabam calls every piece of content they design the hardest thing, I’d wait to see the effort required but if it is truly the most difficult, I agree the rewards would be extremely lackluster

SirGamesBond

And the Objectives tags will be - paywalled 7*.
Hehehehe. Enjoy!

Ayemeboi

Kabam calls every piece of content they design the hardest thing, I’d wait to see the effort required but if it is truly the most difficult, I agree the rewards would be extremely lackluster

I agree about their comments, and it is impossible to know without actually seeing the quest, but I just wanted to talk about it since it does seem lackluster compared to the challenge they have described. We already know that Serpent, Bullseye, and DThanos will be 3 of 12 defenders that make up the quest, who aren't exactly an easy fight even without nodes. With a dwindling champion pool each quest, I do feel like it will end up being decently difficult. Either way, we will see. But even the valiant EQ almost gives better rewards than the first quest in the wheel of fate.

captain_rogers

It should give more rewards especially said it's tougher than epoch. The awakening gem should be generic I think that fix most stuff

And yeah, definitely more sig stones, atleast 100 generics or 200 crystals

GroundedWisdom

We haven't seen the content yet.

Gamer

Honestly I’m just happy I be having something to use my review one.

Ayemeboi

We haven't seen the content yet.

I know, I am just trying to create a discussion about the upcoming content and how what is being described (during the stream and by Crashed) feels like a lot of work for rewards that were shown. If you want to come back and tell me how wrong I was once we see the quest, please do. I am just trying to see what others think given the information we have at the moment.

TotemCorruption

We know all 3 quests are the same, and the first one or two are easy, and the only thing that changes is the pool of eligible champs you can use. So if it's just an issue of bad matchups, that doesn't seem as bad to me as like straight up difficult nodes.
Crashed also didn't say he thought it was the hardest content, just that one co-worker thought so.
We know nothing about this co-worker, how long they've been playing, etc.

Herbal_Taxman

We know all 3 quests are the same, and the first one or two are easy, and the only thing that changes is the pool of eligible champs you can use. So if it's just an issue of bad matchups, that doesn't seem as bad to me as like straight up difficult nodes.
Crashed also didn't say he thought it was the hardest content, just that one co-worker thought so.
We know nothing about this co-worker, how long they've been playing, etc.

It’s certainly shorter than Necro, at least. That was what, 14 fights x 6 paths?

Aleor

And the Objectives tags will be - paywalled 7*.
Hehehehe. Enjoy!

I actually do expect paywalled champs to be in the pool and to be among the best options for some fights

SirGamesBond

And the Objectives tags will be - paywalled 7*.
Hehehehe. Enjoy!
I actually do expect paywalled champs to be in the pool and to be among the best options for some fights

I got that feeling when my plan failed about Luma.
I took the 6* quad hand Luma, to keep him as a backup champ IF he was needed for a content.

And to nobody's surprise, they locked the quest for 7*s. The tags will roadblock a lot of players not thier skills.

Deep pockets are needed for deep roster for last 6 months. We were not in this situation before December paywall scheme.

Magrailothos

A couple of thoughts on the up-coming Everest content:

If it weren't the hardest piece of content, why bother making it?

Also
- The content may be harder, but are you running it with 7*r1s (like Necropolis) and 7*r2-3s? (like Epoch?)
- Or are you mostly going to be using r3-r4s?

Yes, rewards should be, in some way, significant; but if they're too good, then (1) rewards inflation becomes a real problem, and (2) running and completing the Wheel of Fate becomes almost a requirement for competitive players; instead of an option. Is that what we want?

This is permanent, challenging content. Ultimately the best thing for the game is if it is a rewarding challenge, but not a necessary one.
Best if people don't run the content for the amazing rewards: they run the content for exactly the same reason people climb Everest- because it's there.

Zephyre33

i think this quest will be hard in terms of roster because we have to use specific taggeg chamions for each boss and the pool gets lower each quest so we may have to use unconventional counters to meta defenders like serpent or bullseye or even use r1s thats why i think they said its hard because in every other everest content we only got requirements such as use only 7* (like in ordeal) or the lass gates and rarity gate in epoch

quest itself maybe be ordeal level but we cant bring our best champs or hard counters thats why its labeled as the hardest quest

Xleb

Obviously we have not seen the quest, but Crashed said the quest design team claimed it may have been the hardest quest they have ever designed. Does an r4, one titan, one champ selector, one awakening gem crystal, and two 7* nexus feel like good rewards for possibly the most difficult quest in the contest? Personally, it feels like there is something missing.

Epoch provided a class r4, a titan, a 7* nexus, 1 7* generic awakening gem, 2->3 gem, and 1 t7 catalyst just for completion/exploration. That is not to mention the 6 additional class 7*, 8k awakening gem shards, and 50 class 7* sig stones, 1->2 gems, 4 t6 cc selectors for each class.

I understand the value of a great champion selector, but it feels like unless there are additional rewards within each quest, what we were shown is pretty lackluster for something that may take more revives than epoch did. I also may be jumping ahead and making too many assumptions, but I just thought I would put it out there and see what others thought.

It seems to me that when Necropolis came out they said the same thing, when Cruisible came out they said the same thing (but with the amendment that from the point of view of team selection), they will continue to say this lol

Rebark

I think that about 3 rankup gems from rank 2 to rank 3 would help a lot to increase the value without breaking anything.
I would trade the Titan for a Nexus Titan.
50x 7* generic stones

At the end of the day, we have to see what comes in the selector too.
Imagine that a champion like Spidey who was restricted to Carina's content creator challenge is in this selector.
I'm counting on that, I already have almost all the champions that are in the basic pool with the exception of Prowler, if there isn't something really relevant in this selector, I don't know what to think about it

Azdef

It would be fun if one of the tags were #Eidol...

Zacharias10719

I think that about 3 rankup gems from rank 2 to rank 3 would help a lot to increase the value without breaking anything.
I would trade the Titan for a Nexus Titan.
50x 7* generic stones

At the end of the day, we have to see what comes in the selector too.
Imagine that a champion like Spidey who was restricted to Carina's content creator challenge is in this selector.
I'm counting on that, I already have almost all the champions that are in the basic pool with the exception of Prowler, if there isn't something really relevant in this selector, I don't know what to think about it

Pretty sure they said on steam that the selector is the 12 defenders from the quest minus the boss

captain_rogers

Btw I really hope champs like FAM or nick would be present in the quest, I know they won't be, but it would be nice if they're present, so peasants like me can get one😭.

captain_rogers

It's 12 right, excluding boss, so Here are my guesses.

Mutant - onslutty and domihoe maybe
Skill - bullseye (as we know) and probably attuma/nick (I'm coping)
Science - definitely photon has to be there, so I can dupe her. I think Jessie won't be there obviously, the second one would be someone like spot or mr negative (Am I missing any obvious science defenders)?
Mystic - spiral as we know, likely along with midchantress
Cosmic - serpent and maestro I guess
Tech - FAM (again coping) or zola and arcade/sentinel redskull (any two of these 5, but I bet zola will be one of em).

Did I missed any obvious ones?

Kingering_King

Kabam calls every piece of content they design the hardest thing, I’d wait to see the effort required but if it is truly the most difficult, I agree the rewards would be extremely lackluster

Yeah, like how Ares was supposed to be the hardest boss. Spent over 200 revives on that mf, he felt easy enough towards the end… towards the end… after the end…?

Onepieceisnotreal

What if the other mystic defender is doom or abs man

TheMostHated1

Kabam calls every piece of content they design the hardest thing, I’d wait to see the effort required but if it is truly the most difficult, I agree the rewards would be extremely lackluster
Yeah, like how Ares was supposed to be the hardest boss. Spent over 200 revives on that mf, he felt easy enough towards the end… towards the end… after the end…?

The revive count became smaller the more you fought him

TheMostHated1

What if the other mystic defender is doom or abs man

Would be kinda crazy, but it’s definitely not them

N8buckeye08

It's 12 right, excluding boss, so Here are my guesses.

Mutant - onslutty and domihoe maybe
Skill - bullseye (as we know) and probably attuma/nick (I'm coping)
Science - definitely photon has to be there, so I can dupe her. I think Jessie won't be there obviously, the second one would be someone like spot or mr negative (Am I missing any obvious science defenders)?
Mystic - spiral as we know, likely along with midchantress
Cosmic - serpent and maestro I guess
Tech - FAM (again coping) or zola and arcade/sentinel redskull (any two of these 5, but I bet zola will be one of em).

Did I missed any obvious ones?

Good list but I don’t think it will include any limited access champions, so get rid of Nick, FAM, and Maestro.

My changes
Skill - Chee’ilth or Crossbones with a crazy node
Science - Ham
Cosmic - Knull (and tags will eliminate any reverse immune options)

ChiefGoat

As always, can’t satisfy everyone. There will always be people in this community that just want to complain about anything and everything.

TotemCorruption

Folks, there is no way that FAM, Maestro, Spidey, etc. will be in the selector.

Polygon

A couple of thoughts on the up-coming Everest content:

If it weren't the hardest piece of content, why bother making it?

Also
- The content may be harder, but are you running it with 7*r1s (like Necropolis) and 7*r2-3s? (like Epoch?)
- Or are you mostly going to be using r3-r4s?

Yes, rewards should be, in some way, significant; but if they're too good, then (1) rewards inflation becomes a real problem, and (2) running and completing the Wheel of Fate becomes almost a requirement for competitive players; instead of an option. Is that what we want?

This is permanent, challenging content. Ultimately the best thing for the game is if it is a rewarding challenge, but not a necessary one.
Best if people don't run the content for the amazing rewards: they run the content for exactly the same reason people climb Everest- because it's there.

Rewards inflation already is/will be a problem with how easy it is for some players to get t7b once AW / AQ have radiance. This content gives a single r4 but you can already get that from 1-2 months of getting radiance. Given that they put such a large number of t7b available for purchase there , the rank 4 rewards from Wheel of Fate are going to get outdated very quick.

Hence why i can never understand the people that try to defend saying "we havent seen it yet", anytime content had strict champion gates it was usually more on the difficult side
Just think back to those EOP gauntlet challenges that had you using some of the worst champs like rogue, scarlet witch etc