Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You had me seeing where you were coming from until that. Pausing is not on the same level as modding. It’s not anywhere close. Pausing is basically admitting defeat if your opponent is even average at BGs. I don’t remember the last time I got beneath 15k points as long as I hit the opponent a few times. I don’t condone it obviously, but why is this the hill we’re dying on when they are ACTUAL cheaters in the mode?
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
( Whenever I lost to a pauser - which followed by maybe next one also be a pauser )
See then you got nonsense like this .. how is this meta rewarding pausers when you can literally do 3 4 hit combos into block and take a huge chunk of points?
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
So when special events or objectives that roll around that require you do bgs, yet you despise the game mode, but also have pretty decent rewards for said event, your just supposed to skip it all together and miss out? Your acting elitist with that attitude. So what is they pause? They'll almost certainly lose the match and you'll win, what's the issue?
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
So when special events or objectives that roll around that require you do bgs, yet you despise the game mode, but also have pretty decent rewards for said event, your just supposed to skip it all together and miss out? Your acting elitist with that attitude. So what is they pause? They'll almost certainly lose the match and you'll win, what's the issue?
Elitist? All you're describing is more justification for Rewards for doing nothing. I don’t consider that a priority over people playing to the best of their ability and trying to grow and advance.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
So when special events or objectives that roll around that require you do bgs, yet you despise the game mode, but also have pretty decent rewards for said event, your just supposed to skip it all together and miss out? Your acting elitist with that attitude. So what is they pause? They'll almost certainly lose the match and you'll win, what's the issue?
Elitist? All you're describing is more justification for Rewards for doing nothing. I don’t consider that a priority over people playing to the best of their ability and trying to grow and advance.
It's elitist because your wanting to deny them anything at all. Some people hate the mode but pausing or throwing a fight so they still get something out of special events isnt hurting anything. Well, maybe some peoples anger issues at having to wait 115 seconds.....but that's a you problem.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
So when special events or objectives that roll around that require you do bgs, yet you despise the game mode, but also have pretty decent rewards for said event, your just supposed to skip it all together and miss out? Your acting elitist with that attitude. So what is they pause? They'll almost certainly lose the match and you'll win, what's the issue?
Elitist? All you're describing is more justification for Rewards for doing nothing. I don’t consider that a priority over people playing to the best of their ability and trying to grow and advance.
It's elitist because your wanting to deny them anything at all. Some people hate the mode but pausing or throwing a fight so they still get something out of special events isnt hurting anything. Well, maybe some peoples anger issues at having to wait 115 seconds.....but that's a you problem.
"People want Rewards but hate the mode and don't want to play. They shouldn't be denied the right to do absolutely nothing and win over people doing their best."
Ridiculous that people even think that makes sense.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
So when special events or objectives that roll around that require you do bgs, yet you despise the game mode, but also have pretty decent rewards for said event, your just supposed to skip it all together and miss out? Your acting elitist with that attitude. So what is they pause? They'll almost certainly lose the match and you'll win, what's the issue?
Elitist? All you're describing is more justification for Rewards for doing nothing. I don’t consider that a priority over people playing to the best of their ability and trying to grow and advance.
It's elitist because your wanting to deny them anything at all. Some people hate the mode but pausing or throwing a fight so they still get something out of special events isnt hurting anything. Well, maybe some peoples anger issues at having to wait 115 seconds.....but that's a you problem.
"People want Rewards but hate the mode and don't want to play. They shouldn't be denied the right to do absolutely nothing and win over people doing their best."
Ridiculous that people even think that makes sense.
That's not what I said and you know it. Doing nothing implies you don't even play the mode period. You still gotta find an opponent and go through the draft process before you can even pause to begin with which takes like 5 whole minutes or more. Sorry you hate pausers, but they arent doing anything wrong. Your just impatient. Big difference.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
So when special events or objectives that roll around that require you do bgs, yet you despise the game mode, but also have pretty decent rewards for said event, your just supposed to skip it all together and miss out? Your acting elitist with that attitude. So what is they pause? They'll almost certainly lose the match and you'll win, what's the issue?
Elitist? All you're describing is more justification for Rewards for doing nothing. I don’t consider that a priority over people playing to the best of their ability and trying to grow and advance.
It's elitist because your wanting to deny them anything at all. Some people hate the mode but pausing or throwing a fight so they still get something out of special events isnt hurting anything. Well, maybe some peoples anger issues at having to wait 115 seconds.....but that's a you problem.
"People want Rewards but hate the mode and don't want to play. They shouldn't be denied the right to do absolutely nothing and win over people doing their best."
Ridiculous that people even think that makes sense.
That's not what I said and you know it. Doing nothing implies you don't even play the mode period. You still gotta find an opponent and go through the draft process before you can even pause to begin with which takes like 5 whole minutes or more. Sorry you hate pausers, but they arent doing anything wrong. Your just impatient. Big difference.
So people aren't doing nothing. They're pushing the buttons to match, accept, then pause. My mistake. I never realized the insurmountable obstacles they're enduring.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
No, dude. The main problem is people are taking advantage of how the scoring works and getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing, while other Players are suffering losses because of it, without any penalization for it. That's the issue.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
No, dude. The main problem is people are taking advantage of how the scoring works and getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing, while other Players are suffering losses because of it, without any penalization for it. That's the issue.
If someone loses against someone who paused all 3 rounds all I can do is just laugh. People who say pause is not a strategy? If I won the 1st round and decided to take a 100+ second break on 2nd round, It is my strategy, I am not cheating. The opponent has the pressure to win that round not me. Suffering loses because of it. Based on what? On maybe if they played they would have scored less than I did? Yeah maybe if I had bought a lotto ticket I would have won it too. (*) Technically you can't lose all 3 rounds to a pauser but you know what I mean.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
No, dude. The main problem is people are taking advantage of how the scoring works and getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing, while other Players are suffering losses because of it, without any penalization for it. That's the issue.
If kabam really saw a problem with it they would have done something about it already. Not almost 3 years after the mode drops.
Personally, I can't stand how people who use the pausing strategy waste my time. BGs already is a longer time investment than many other modes and it really increases how cumbersome it is when every second of time is used in hopes that the opponent can't fight well.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
No, dude. The main problem is people are taking advantage of how the scoring works and getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing, while other Players are suffering losses because of it, without any penalization for it. That's the issue.
If kabam really saw a problem with it they would have done something about it already. Not almost 3 years after the mode drops.
They DO see a problem with it. We've been over that. There just isn't a clear or easy solution. As with any situation where some take advantage of others for easy Rewards, some people on the Forum don't see it as a problem. I disagree, and that's what we're discussing. If some have suggestions on how to solve it, I'm open to discussing them. I'm just not going to sit here and pretend there's nothing wrong with it.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
No, dude. The main problem is people are taking advantage of how the scoring works and getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing, while other Players are suffering losses because of it, without any penalization for it. That's the issue.
If kabam really saw a problem with it they would have done something about it already. Not almost 3 years after the mode drops.
They DO see a problem with it. We've been over that. There just isn't a clear or easy solution. As with any situation where some take advantage of others for easy Rewards, some people on the Forum don't see it as a problem. I disagree, and that's what we're discussing. If some have suggestions on how to solve it, I'm open to discussing them. I'm just not going to sit here and pretend there's nothing wrong with it.
They can say they see a problem with it, but actions speak louder than words. And they haven't don't diddly squat about it. Their only real option is to remove the ability to pause in bgs. Which tbh would be the smart and right thing to do. If you got some kind of issue where you gotta stop mid fight to handle it, your not really worried about a win anyways. You'd just eat combos till you die and lose the match anyways so its really no different from pausing and losing.
( Whenever I lost to a pauser - which followed by maybe next one also be a pauser )
See then you got nonsense like this .. how is this meta rewarding pausers when you can literally do 3 4 hit combos into block and take a huge chunk of points?
- that's where u are dumb(shows your skill & knowledge) - i have already have 4 matches lost where i place bullseye they hit enough for 30-40sec then pause the rest of the match . - while fighting an aggressive ai which don't want to block then loosing by 3-5k points because someone paused instead of fighting is the shittiest thing u can do
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I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear.
What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome.
So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating?
Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button?
Barely win or lose is acceptable?
Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
- modders can stay active
- pausing is rewarding
( Whenever I lost to a pauser - which followed by maybe next one also be a pauser )
Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage.
Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak.
There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Ridiculous that people even think that makes sense.
I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
People who say pause is not a strategy? If I won the 1st round and decided to take a 100+ second break on 2nd round, It is my strategy, I am not cheating. The opponent has the pressure to win that round not me.
Suffering loses because of it. Based on what? On maybe if they played they would have scored less than I did? Yeah maybe if I had bought a lotto ticket I would have won it too.
(*) Technically you can't lose all 3 rounds to a pauser but you know what I mean.
If some have suggestions on how to solve it, I'm open to discussing them. I'm just not going to sit here and pretend there's nothing wrong with it.
- while fighting an aggressive ai which don't want to block then loosing by 3-5k points because someone paused instead of fighting is the shittiest thing u can do