Makes you wonder why they nerfed champs such as DS, SW, Thor and SL. They were once considered the best in game, much like Blade is now. I fail to see why they nerfed those champs and would not do the same to champs like blade, AA etc.. There must of been a reason for the nerf. Some of these knew champs seem on par or even more powerful than they ever were. Their abilities don’t seem any more special then some of these new champs.
Old Thor could take down RoL WS in 9 hits ... Old SW can forever stun lock anyone that is not stun immune. Old DS would just never die in the right hands and sp1 spam overpowered any annoying defender.
The new god tier is OP in relation to other champs but not in comparison to old gods.
Those arguments are weak. Thor was useless against stun immune nodes, safeguard nodes as well. You needed skill to get the armour breaks and you needs a short parry time which affected the other champs on your team.
SW couldn’t stun lock a stun immune champ either, have you tried her VS a Mordo?
DS needed skill to be good, he also has his weaknesses. He is no different than the power gain king that is now Hyperion, who also has regen, hits 20 times harder and can also spam SP1 over and over.
Some of the champs these days have much more OP abilities and there are enough new nodes to prevent them from walking over content like they once did.
If you are creating niche situations to justify anything, then here we go:
Hyperion, can't do jack to stun immune mystics with MD.
AA can't touch bleed immunes.
Blade can't do much against colossus with heal block node.
And DS was the absolute king of the AW. Hyperion is not even close.
Exactly my point. They all have weaknesses. The old and the new. How do you think DS would go against dorm? He would get smashed by degen with all those buffs. The old system yes, but they changed all that. They wouldn’t be OP in the current game if their former abilities were returned to them.
You keep thinking that lol. Just give me a pre-nerf SW and I'll smash through 5.4 with just her and a crit team
Oh really? How would you go on the bleed and poison paths? Or debuff immune paths?
She had one of the best regens in the game. Easily outlast anything thrown at her. I have mine maxed fully and only see her regen like once a week in War. Before it happened all the time. Beat the RoL with only her and 1 revive. Messed up fighting myself. They nerfed her cause she would have destroyed the LOL. Same with DS.
Many champs can clear ROL easily. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
They had a node called “dulled” in LOL, which basically made her useless in there. And DS would struggle to do any damage in LOL, cant see him destroying anyone in LOL, especially since he will have such a short enrage timer.
So again, the could have created nodes that prevented these champs from walking through content, didn’t need to nerf them to the ground.
The dulled node was implemented after first few guys rolled over paths with SW. As was limber
Yep, so they made her usless via buffs/nodes on the opponent. Problem was solved. No need for the nerf.
Makes you wonder why they nerfed champs such as DS, SW, Thor and SL. They were once considered the best in game, much like Blade is now. I fail to see why they nerfed those champs and would not do the same to champs like blade, AA etc.. There must of been a reason for the nerf. Some of these knew champs seem on par or even more powerful than they ever were. Their abilities don’t seem any more special then some of these new champs.
Old Thor could take down RoL WS in 9 hits ... Old SW can forever stun lock anyone that is not stun immune. Old DS would just never die in the right hands and sp1 spam overpowered any annoying defender.
The new god tier is OP in relation to other champs but not in comparison to old gods.
Those arguments are weak. Thor was useless against stun immune nodes, safeguard nodes as well. You needed skill to get the armour breaks and you needs a short parry time which affected the other champs on your team.
SW couldn’t stun lock a stun immune champ either, have you tried her VS a Mordo?
DS needed skill to be good, he also has his weaknesses. He is no different than the power gain king that is now Hyperion, who also has regen, hits 20 times harder and can also spam SP1 over and over.
Some of the champs these days have much more OP abilities and there are enough new nodes to prevent them from walking over content like they once did.
If you are creating niche situations to justify anything, then here we go:
Hyperion, can't do jack to stun immune mystics with MD.
AA can't touch bleed immunes.
Blade can't do much against colossus with heal block node.
And DS was the absolute king of the AW. Hyperion is not even close.
Exactly my point. They all have weaknesses. The old and the new. How do you think DS would go against dorm? He would get smashed by degen with all those buffs. The old system yes, but they changed all that. They wouldn’t be OP in the current game if their former abilities were returned to them.
You keep thinking that lol. Just give me a pre-nerf SW and I'll smash through 5.4 with just her and a crit team
Oh really? How would you go on the bleed and poison paths? Or debuff immune paths?
She had one of the best regens in the game. Easily outlast anything thrown at her. I have mine maxed fully and only see her regen like once a week in War. Before it happened all the time. Beat the RoL with only her and 1 revive. Messed up fighting myself. They nerfed her cause she would have destroyed the LOL. Same with DS.
Many champs can clear ROL easily. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
They had a node called “dulled” in LOL, which basically made her useless in there. And DS would struggle to do any damage in LOL, cant see him destroying anyone in LOL, especially since he will have such a short enrage timer.
So again, the could have created nodes that prevented these champs from walking through content, didn’t need to nerf them to the ground.
The dulled node was implemented after first few guys rolled over paths with SW. As was limber
Yep, so they made her usless via buffs/nodes on the opponent. Problem was solved. No need for the nerf.
Dulled didn't just make SW useless. It made a LOT of other champs useless. There was literally no way to design content that SW couldn't tear through without also including some insanely bs nodes that also neutered a lot of other champs. They designed entire RttL with these champs in mind. Spite was supposed to stop SW. Did it do so? Hell no
i'm not talking about whether they were right to nerf those champs, i'm just saying that the new "god tier" champs could never live up to the OP power of the pre god tier champs.
Makes you wonder why they nerfed champs such as DS, SW, Thor and SL. They were once considered the best in game, much like Blade is now. I fail to see why they nerfed those champs and would not do the same to champs like blade, AA etc.. There must of been a reason for the nerf. Some of these knew champs seem on par or even more powerful than they ever were. Their abilities don’t seem any more special then some of these new champs.
Old Thor could take down RoL WS in 9 hits ... Old SW can forever stun lock anyone that is not stun immune. Old DS would just never die in the right hands and sp1 spam overpowered any annoying defender.
The new god tier is OP in relation to other champs but not in comparison to old gods.
Those arguments are weak. Thor was useless against stun immune nodes, safeguard nodes as well. You needed skill to get the armour breaks and you needs a short parry time which affected the other champs on your team.
SW couldn’t stun lock a stun immune champ either, have you tried her VS a Mordo?
DS needed skill to be good, he also has his weaknesses. He is no different than the power gain king that is now Hyperion, who also has regen, hits 20 times harder and can also spam SP1 over and over.
Some of the champs these days have much more OP abilities and there are enough new nodes to prevent them from walking over content like they once did.
If you are creating niche situations to justify anything, then here we go:
Hyperion, can't do jack to stun immune mystics with MD.
AA can't touch bleed immunes.
Blade can't do much against colossus with heal block node.
And DS was the absolute king of the AW. Hyperion is not even close.
Exactly my point. They all have weaknesses. The old and the new. How do you think DS would go against dorm? He would get smashed by degen with all those buffs. The old system yes, but they changed all that. They wouldn’t be OP in the current game if their former abilities were returned to them.
You keep thinking that lol. Just give me a pre-nerf SW and I'll smash through 5.4 with just her and a crit team
Oh really? How would you go on the bleed and poison paths? Or debuff immune paths?
Bleed nodes can be easily overcome with SW (and I speak this from experience. I've cleared bleed nodes with SW and DS and ended fight at full health). Didn't attempt poison nodes but pretty sure it would've been the same case. As for debuff immune—it doesn't matter with SW. You could just keep blocking and hitting opponent during openings and kill them. She would regen back all the block damage and buff herself enough to finish opponent in 1-2 L2s
I was referring to the comment about clearing act 5 with just her and a crit team. I guarantee a 4* 5/50 would die real quick on poison and bleed nodes when the oppents have 7+K attack. Not talking about about running through a bleed node in master mode of the monthly quest lol
No one in their right mind would use a non-immune champ against a biohazard node. Those nodes were designed specifically to require immune champs. Except those lanes, you can use SW everywhere. And that is just one node which you don't even encounter anywhere else. Saying that SW wasn't unbalanced because she can't get through a biohazard node is like saying Hyperion isn't OP because he can't go through the bleed lanes in AQ. Nodes like biohazard and bleed/poison+heal block literally have no counter other than immune champs. No other champs in the game can deal with those nodes
Makes you wonder why they nerfed champs such as DS, SW, Thor and SL. They were once considered the best in game, much like Blade is now. I fail to see why they nerfed those champs and would not do the same to champs like blade, AA etc.. There must of been a reason for the nerf. Some of these knew champs seem on par or even more powerful than they ever were. Their abilities don’t seem any more special then some of these new champs.
Old Thor could take down RoL WS in 9 hits ... Old SW can forever stun lock anyone that is not stun immune. Old DS would just never die in the right hands and sp1 spam overpowered any annoying defender.
The new god tier is OP in relation to other champs but not in comparison to old gods.
Those arguments are weak. Thor was useless against stun immune nodes, safeguard nodes as well. You needed skill to get the armour breaks and you needs a short parry time which affected the other champs on your team.
SW couldn’t stun lock a stun immune champ either, have you tried her VS a Mordo?
DS needed skill to be good, he also has his weaknesses. He is no different than the power gain king that is now Hyperion, who also has regen, hits 20 times harder and can also spam SP1 over and over.
Some of the champs these days have much more OP abilities and there are enough new nodes to prevent them from walking over content like they once did.
If you are creating niche situations to justify anything, then here we go:
Hyperion, can't do jack to stun immune mystics with MD.
AA can't touch bleed immunes.
Blade can't do much against colossus with heal block node.
And DS was the absolute king of the AW. Hyperion is not even close.
Exactly my point. They all have weaknesses. The old and the new. How do you think DS would go against dorm? He would get smashed by degen with all those buffs. The old system yes, but they changed all that. They wouldn’t be OP in the current game if their former abilities were returned to them.
You keep thinking that lol. Just give me a pre-nerf SW and I'll smash through 5.4 with just her and a crit team
Oh really? How would you go on the bleed and poison paths? Or debuff immune paths?
Bleed nodes can be easily overcome with SW (and I speak this from experience. I've cleared bleed nodes with SW and DS and ended fight at full health). Didn't attempt poison nodes but pretty sure it would've been the same case. As for debuff immune—it doesn't matter with SW. You could just keep blocking and hitting opponent during openings and kill them. She would regen back all the block damage and buff herself enough to finish opponent in 1-2 L2s
I was referring to the comment about clearing act 5 with just her and a crit team. I guarantee a 4* 5/50 would die real quick on poison and bleed nodes when the oppents have 7+K attack. Not talking about about running through a bleed node in master mode of the monthly quest lol
No one in their right mind would use a non-immune champ against a biohazard node. Those nodes were designed specifically to require immune champs. Except those lanes, you can use SW everywhere. And that is just one node which you don't even encounter anywhere else. Saying that SW wasn't unbalanced because she can't get through a biohazard node is like saying Hyperion isn't OP because he can't go through the bleed lanes in AQ. Nodes like biohazard and bleed/poison+heal block literally have no counter other than immune champs. No other champs in the game can deal with those nodes
Can't speak for Biohazard but Blade can in fact bypass bleed, poison, heal block, and starburst nodes when Danger Sense is active.
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Yep, so they made her usless via buffs/nodes on the opponent. Problem was solved. No need for the nerf.
Dulled didn't just make SW useless. It made a LOT of other champs useless. There was literally no way to design content that SW couldn't tear through without also including some insanely bs nodes that also neutered a lot of other champs. They designed entire RttL with these champs in mind. Spite was supposed to stop SW. Did it do so? Hell no
No one in their right mind would use a non-immune champ against a biohazard node. Those nodes were designed specifically to require immune champs. Except those lanes, you can use SW everywhere. And that is just one node which you don't even encounter anywhere else. Saying that SW wasn't unbalanced because she can't get through a biohazard node is like saying Hyperion isn't OP because he can't go through the bleed lanes in AQ. Nodes like biohazard and bleed/poison+heal block literally have no counter other than immune champs. No other champs in the game can deal with those nodes
Can't speak for Biohazard but Blade can in fact bypass bleed, poison, heal block, and starburst nodes when Danger Sense is active.