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A fair process for battlegrounds drafts need to be in place.

Manofjustice32Manofjustice32 Member Posts: 71 ★
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There no skill when your opponents draws all there best defenders and attackers and you draw all your worst. It’s not right to lose due to RNG in battlegrounds that’s the worst feeling.

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  • DannyB01DannyB01 Member Posts: 651 ★★★
    Technically you could get around this by having more bans and longer BGs. Eg ban 8 and then best of 11 means the whole roster is used. Could call is Super BGs. But being realistic, those it appeals to that think it’s an RNG issue are the ones with weaker rosters who will end up hating it.
  • Manofjustice32Manofjustice32 Member Posts: 71 ★
    Furrymoosen said:

    The game mode isn't just about skill. That is a large component, but it's not the only variable. Skill, roster and draft all play roles, and sometimes RNG can be rough, but you've got a be skilled enough to overcome it.

    So it should be called RNG grounds got it. Awesome
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,680 ★★★★★
    edited June 30
    Manofjustice32 said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    The game mode isn't just about skill. That is a large component, but it's not the only variable. Skill, roster and draft all play roles, and sometimes RNG can be rough, but you've got a be skilled enough to overcome it.

    So it should be called RNG grounds got it. Awesome
    If that's your takeaway, just quit the game mode. You're never going to be happy.

    Guess we've got a new @ButteredPopcorn8008 @DeathmoreThanos49 @Yokozuna1994 account...great.
    Can we get ahead of this one this time, mods?
    This account suddenly started posting on June 10th (can't see creation date due to the dumb private profile option), the same date that Buttered last logged in during one of their jail stints. They haven't returned since, but this account is here now complaining every chance they get.
  • BeastDadBeastDad Member Posts: 2,373 ★★★★★
    Really what needs to happen is a permanent ban for all modders.

    They have literally ruined this game mode.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 6,326 ★★★★★
    Skill vs skill BG matches will make it more one sided than you think.
  • RevHeresyRevHeresy Member Posts: 235 ★
    I’ll say this again, my roster is pretty good. People would see it and wonder why I’m in uru and not higher. I play like poo half the time, so skill does matter more than anything.
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 6,785 ★★★★★
    Manofjustice32 said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    The game mode isn't just about skill. That is a large component, but it's not the only variable. Skill, roster and draft all play roles, and sometimes RNG can be rough, but you've got a be skilled enough to overcome it.

    So it should be called RNG grounds got it. Awesome
    What is your suggestion? Eliminating RNG and letting both players draft anyone from their rosters isn’t a fix.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,492 ★★★★★
    Do people come up with "solutions" while munching on a piece of toast while looking out the window and contemplating nothing?
  • CheeseMaster482CheeseMaster482 Member Posts: 125 ★★
    Manofjustice32 said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    The game mode isn't just about skill. That is a large component, but it's not the only variable. Skill, roster and draft all play roles, and sometimes RNG can be rough, but you've got a be skilled enough to overcome it.

    So it should be called RNG grounds got it. Awesome
    The correct name is Roster Grounds
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,893 ★★★★★
    If you're consistently getting outdrafted by your opponents, you need to change your deck and also your bans.
  • TyphoonTyphoon Member Posts: 1,941 ★★★★★
    Have you considered using Shuffle Signets?
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,570 ★★★★★
    Have you considered focusing on arenas? Seems like every single thing about BGs just pisses you guys off.
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,762 ★★★★
    Manofjustice32 said:

    There no skill when your opponents draws all there best defenders and attackers and you draw all your worst. It’s not right to lose due to RNG in battlegrounds that’s the worst feeling.

    So what happens when their worst attackers and defenders are your best defenders and attackers? Whale-bashing?
  • AlmccarthyAlmccarthy Member Posts: 168 ★★
    Chuck_Finley said:

    It’s not a pure skill mode and the easiest way to get frustrated is to think it is skill. The average player match will be decided most times on RNG:

    1) your opponent selected for you
    2) draft options
    3) AI behavior.

    You can influence #2 a lot by roster size, but eventually your ceiling will be people with similar rosters.

    You are playing a card game, trying to maximize your deck, and then hoping RNG goes your way in the fight. Skill can help you climb… but it’s elite skill that makes the difference. There’s a reason the same people play on celestial every season.

    If you are a mere MCOC mortal… and you draw bad luck on the draft, play it out and see if your opponent messes up or if the RNG screws them. If not, just take the L and don’t take it as anything more than it is. “It’s the worst feeling” because you are thinking BGs should be all about skill. It’s not. Sometimes it’s just Texas Hold’em.

    I guarantee you if everyone had the same rank champions and the same champions for that matter the people currently at top would not be, im not saying I want that btw because they have spent money and hence deserve to have that roster but its definitely 60% based on roster
  • Abspain101Abspain101 Member Posts: 910 ★★★
    Almccarthy said:

    Chuck_Finley said:

    It’s not a pure skill mode and the easiest way to get frustrated is to think it is skill. The average player match will be decided most times on RNG:

    1) your opponent selected for you
    2) draft options
    3) AI behavior.

    You can influence #2 a lot by roster size, but eventually your ceiling will be people with similar rosters.

    You are playing a card game, trying to maximize your deck, and then hoping RNG goes your way in the fight. Skill can help you climb… but it’s elite skill that makes the difference. There’s a reason the same people play on celestial every season.

    If you are a mere MCOC mortal… and you draw bad luck on the draft, play it out and see if your opponent messes up or if the RNG screws them. If not, just take the L and don’t take it as anything more than it is. “It’s the worst feeling” because you are thinking BGs should be all about skill. It’s not. Sometimes it’s just Texas Hold’em.

    I guarantee you if everyone had the same rank champions and the same champions for that matter the people currently at top would not be, im not saying I want that btw because they have spent money and hence deserve to have that roster but its definitely 60% based on roster
    I bet you 100% beroman would still be in that mix of top as well as Andrewtheruff
  • AlmccarthyAlmccarthy Member Posts: 168 ★★
    Abspain101 said:

    Almccarthy said:

    Chuck_Finley said:

    It’s not a pure skill mode and the easiest way to get frustrated is to think it is skill. The average player match will be decided most times on RNG:

    1) your opponent selected for you
    2) draft options
    3) AI behavior.

    You can influence #2 a lot by roster size, but eventually your ceiling will be people with similar rosters.

    You are playing a card game, trying to maximize your deck, and then hoping RNG goes your way in the fight. Skill can help you climb… but it’s elite skill that makes the difference. There’s a reason the same people play on celestial every season.

    If you are a mere MCOC mortal… and you draw bad luck on the draft, play it out and see if your opponent messes up or if the RNG screws them. If not, just take the L and don’t take it as anything more than it is. “It’s the worst feeling” because you are thinking BGs should be all about skill. It’s not. Sometimes it’s just Texas Hold’em.

    I guarantee you if everyone had the same rank champions and the same champions for that matter the people currently at top would not be, im not saying I want that btw because they have spent money and hence deserve to have that roster but its definitely 60% based on roster
    I bet you 100% beroman would still be in that mix of top as well as Andrewtheruff
    Quite possibly im not saying they all wouldn't be there but it be a lot more spread out
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 2,195 ★★★★★
    Abspain101 said:

    Almccarthy said:

    Chuck_Finley said:

    It’s not a pure skill mode and the easiest way to get frustrated is to think it is skill. The average player match will be decided most times on RNG:

    1) your opponent selected for you
    2) draft options
    3) AI behavior.

    You can influence #2 a lot by roster size, but eventually your ceiling will be people with similar rosters.

    You are playing a card game, trying to maximize your deck, and then hoping RNG goes your way in the fight. Skill can help you climb… but it’s elite skill that makes the difference. There’s a reason the same people play on celestial every season.

    If you are a mere MCOC mortal… and you draw bad luck on the draft, play it out and see if your opponent messes up or if the RNG screws them. If not, just take the L and don’t take it as anything more than it is. “It’s the worst feeling” because you are thinking BGs should be all about skill. It’s not. Sometimes it’s just Texas Hold’em.

    I guarantee you if everyone had the same rank champions and the same champions for that matter the people currently at top would not be, im not saying I want that btw because they have spent money and hence deserve to have that roster but its definitely 60% based on roster
    I bet you 100% beroman would still be in that mix of top as well as Andrewtheruff
    Beroman doesn’t even have the best roster relative to the whales he competes against.

    If everyone had same champs, the gap between Bero and the rest of the field gets wider.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,543 ★★★★★
    Furrymoosen said:

    The game mode isn't just about skill. That is a large component, but it's not the only variable. Skill, roster and draft all play roles, and sometimes RNG can be rough, but you've got a be skilled enough to overcome it.

    I used to agree with this but with the amount of defenders with chip damage or damage reduction abilities that require direct counters these days, that argument doesn't really hold anymore. No amount of skill will help you overcome the Serpents Zolas Dark Phoenixes Maestros Attumas Dominos Things Red Skulls and Bullseyes if you don't draft good counters. Draft RNG is starting to become more important than skill (especially with the terrible GC metas they've been creating lately) and that's not a healthy direction to take the game mode in. Now sure you could make an argument that most of these have a decent amount of counters but that still doesn't change the fact that skill won't help you overcome any of these when you get bad draft RNG.
  • Manofjustice32Manofjustice32 Member Posts: 71 ★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    The game mode isn't just about skill. That is a large component, but it's not the only variable. Skill, roster and draft all play roles, and sometimes RNG can be rough, but you've got a be skilled enough to overcome it.

    I used to agree with this but with the amount of defenders with chip damage or damage reduction abilities that require direct counters these days, that argument doesn't really hold anymore. No amount of skill will help you overcome the Serpents Zolas Dark Phoenixes Maestros Attumas Dominos Things Red Skulls and Bullseyes if you don't draft good counters. Draft RNG is starting to become more important than skill (especially with the terrible GC metas they've been creating lately) and that's not a healthy direction to take the game mode in. Now sure you could make an argument that most of these have a decent amount of counters but that still doesn't change the fact that skill won't help you overcome any of these when you get bad draft RNG.
    Exactly my point
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,543 ★★★★★
    To the people who disagree, show me how you nuke Serpent or Bullseye without a counter that's one thing I gotta see with my own eyes lmfao.
  • MFDOOMbotMFDOOMbot Member Posts: 60 ★
    I mean this is never going to be a real time pvp game. That's the only way to really have skill vs. skill. This is a mobile gacha game. You want pure skill based, play a real fighting game.
  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,785 ★★★★
    Its ez for me.. if the account I'm match with is almost equal or slightly better than my account/ deck.. I will give it my best effort.

    If I see multiple 7* rank3 sig200 and/or multiple 7* rank4 sig200.. I immediately forfeit the match - why waste time to get loss anyways. basically, whales account owns most of top-tier attackers and defenders.. they pick the best most suitable champion to fill their deck.. so it's like choosing your poison or hope AI/rng have opponent draft their worse champion.. even so, their worse champion can still be better than my top champions on my deck.
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