How Many Defenders?

Chosen85

Firstly I think the game needs tough defenders. Furthermore, I think the science class has needed a tough defender for a while now. Enter High Evolutionary. Here we go again. My issue is the frequency. We are getting too many super restrictive defenders too soon. Even new champs that aren't promoted as defenders have defensive threats. The new defenders are extremely restrictive with regards to who can have success against them. Now we're throwing questing nodes into kits left and right. Where is the skill ask. We've gotten to the point of either you have a counter or ban or you're screwed. This allows Kabam to create and sell new attackers and make money. I get it. Again its just the frequency and tuning for me right now. Maybe give us a short break from super restrictive defenders for a bit. Allow us to adjust to whats here now. Again I know tough defenders with new kits are healthy for the game but its just too much all at once.

FaustOutLoud

Chosen85 said:

Firstly I think the game needs tough defenders. Furthermore, I think the science class has needed a tough defender for a while now. Enter High Evolutionary. Here we go again. My issue is the frequency. We are getting too many super restrictive defenders too soon. Even new champs that aren't promoted as defenders have defensive threats. The new defenders are extremely restrictive with regards to who can have success against them. Now we're throwing questing nodes into kits left and right. Where is the skill ask. We've gotten to the point of either you have a counter or ban or you're screwed. This allows Kabam to create and sell new attackers and make money. I get it. Again its just the frequency and tuning for me right now. Maybe give us a short break from super restrictive defenders for a bit. Allow us to adjust to whats here now. Again I know tough defenders with new kits are healthy for the game but its just too much all at once.

It really is it seems like within the past few months we've gotten way to many 4/5 to 5/5 Defenders but someone mentioned on a YT comment where are the 5/5 Attacker's. They seem to be nowhere sure their are some great new Attacker's I'd say Jean and Spider Woman are top Attacker's. But we need a break or better yet we need to be able to Breathe for a bit with what we have its too much too fast im still getting used to how to fight. NICO, Dark Phoenix, Yelena, Zola now Jean Grey and Spider Woman not to mention champs who aren't Defenders but still have annoying specials like Bastion and a few others. While also having older Defenders get buffed and become more of a problem Capt Britain and Galan although Galan can be easily countered but we need a break for a few months. Ohh I forgot about Karolina 😆 🤣 she's also pretty good on Defense. How many is that since 3 months ago.

Chosen85

FaustOutLoud said:

Chosen85 said:

Firstly I think the game needs tough defenders. Furthermore, I think the science class has needed a tough defender for a while now. Enter High Evolutionary. Here we go again. My issue is the frequency. We are getting too many super restrictive defenders too soon. Even new champs that aren't promoted as defenders have defensive threats. The new defenders are extremely restrictive with regards to who can have success against them. Now we're throwing questing nodes into kits left and right. Where is the skill ask. We've gotten to the point of either you have a counter or ban or you're screwed. This allows Kabam to create and sell new attackers and make money. I get it. Again its just the frequency and tuning for me right now. Maybe give us a short break from super restrictive defenders for a bit. Allow us to adjust to whats here now. Again I know tough defenders with new kits are healthy for the game but its just too much all at once.

It really is it seems like within the past few months we've gotten way to many 4/5 to 5/5 Defenders but someone mentioned on a YT comment where are the 5/5 Attacker's. They seem to be nowhere sure their are some great new Attacker's I'd say Jean and Spider Woman are top Attacker's. But we need a break or better yet we need to be able to Breathe for a bit with what we have its too much too fast im still getting used to how to fight. NICO, Dark Phoenix, Yelena, Zola now Jean Grey and Spider Woman not to mention champs who aren't Defenders but still have annoying specials like Bastion and a few others. While also having older Defenders get buffed and become more of a problem Capt Britain and Galan although Galan can be easily countered but we need a break for a few months. Ohh I forgot about Karolina 😆 🤣 she's also pretty good on Defense. How many is that since 3 months ago.

Its a lot. I knew they were working on a science defender because science is lacking in that department but I think they need tons low down a bit of the frequency. Having a counter outweighs skill at this point. Look at BGs. Its the haves and the have nots. Either you have these newer defenders or you dont and you lose. Its gotten crazy for sure.

Gomezlink

I see problems mainly in AW. I think Kabam should think about these bleed, shock and rupture nodes, because they put a defender like Karoline Dean, then comes another debilitation... a lot for our attackers (translated by Google)

Gentsy12

FaustOutLoud said:

Chosen85 said:

Firstly I think the game needs tough defenders. Furthermore, I think the science class has needed a tough defender for a while now. Enter High Evolutionary. Here we go again. My issue is the frequency. We are getting too many super restrictive defenders too soon. Even new champs that aren't promoted as defenders have defensive threats. The new defenders are extremely restrictive with regards to who can have success against them. Now we're throwing questing nodes into kits left and right. Where is the skill ask. We've gotten to the point of either you have a counter or ban or you're screwed. This allows Kabam to create and sell new attackers and make money. I get it. Again its just the frequency and tuning for me right now. Maybe give us a short break from super restrictive defenders for a bit. Allow us to adjust to whats here now. Again I know tough defenders with new kits are healthy for the game but its just too much all at once.

It really is it seems like within the past few months we've gotten way to many 4/5 to 5/5 Defenders but someone mentioned on a YT comment where are the 5/5 Attacker's. They seem to be nowhere sure their are some great new Attacker's I'd say Jean and Spider Woman are top Attacker's. But we need a break or better yet we need to be able to Breathe for a bit with what we have its too much too fast im still getting used to how to fight. NICO, Dark Phoenix, Yelena, Zola now Jean Grey and Spider Woman not to mention champs who aren't Defenders but still have annoying specials like Bastion and a few others. While also having older Defenders get buffed and become more of a problem Capt Britain and Galan although Galan can be easily countered but we need a break for a few months. Ohh I forgot about Karolina 😆 🤣 she's also pretty good on Defense. How many is that since 3 months ago.

I generally agree that the number of defenders needs to slow down but Nico and karolina are both great attackers. On one of his streams DLL brought up a point of why they are willing to create so many more 5/5 defenders but a much more limited pool of 5/5 attackers and it comes down to balance. When you create 5/5 defenders you typically need about 5-6 counters before they start to lose value whereas if you create a 5/5 attacker (think Herc, ghost, juggs, etc.) you need to not only create / buff ~25-30 champs for them to start taking a hit in value but even then there’s a huge portion of defenders that will always be able to be nuked by them, “you can’t put the juggs back in the bottle”.

Super_Cretu90

My opinion is that if defenders would be too easy, the game would become boring and not so competitive. I, myself, don't like it when the fights are too easy.

One thing i agree is the frequency at which these 4/5 or 5/5 defenders are released, with just a specific counter being released the next month, or in the coming months.
Counter which only the whales can achieve through the new "buy 120 crystals worth 36.000 units" system, if you want a counter to the defender released a month before.
If you put on paper the "attackers vs defenders" released in the last two years, there is a HUGE gap between the two categories.

Kabam seems to be obsessed with the 5/5 defender strategy, along with the new major event sales and all those super sales events that take place every 2 months now.

I really don't like it where this game is heading to.

Chosen85

Super_Cretu90 said:

My opinion is that if defenders would be too easy, the game would become boring and not so competitive. I, myself, don't like it when the fights are too easy.

One thing i agree is the frequency at which these 4/5 or 5/5 defenders are released, with just a specific counter being released the next month, or in the coming months.
Counter which only the whales can achieve through the new "buy 120 crystals worth 36.000 units" system, if you want a counter to the defender released a month before.
If you put on paper the "attackers vs defenders" released in the last two years, there is a HUGE gap between the two categories.

Kabam seems to be obsessed with the 5/5 defender strategy, along with the new major event sales and all those super sales events that take place every 2 months now.

I really don't like it where this game is heading to.

I agree

Chosen85

Gentsy12 said:

FaustOutLoud said:

Chosen85 said:

Firstly I think the game needs tough defenders. Furthermore, I think the science class has needed a tough defender for a while now. Enter High Evolutionary. Here we go again. My issue is the frequency. We are getting too many super restrictive defenders too soon. Even new champs that aren't promoted as defenders have defensive threats. The new defenders are extremely restrictive with regards to who can have success against them. Now we're throwing questing nodes into kits left and right. Where is the skill ask. We've gotten to the point of either you have a counter or ban or you're screwed. This allows Kabam to create and sell new attackers and make money. I get it. Again its just the frequency and tuning for me right now. Maybe give us a short break from super restrictive defenders for a bit. Allow us to adjust to whats here now. Again I know tough defenders with new kits are healthy for the game but its just too much all at once.

It really is it seems like within the past few months we've gotten way to many 4/5 to 5/5 Defenders but someone mentioned on a YT comment where are the 5/5 Attacker's. They seem to be nowhere sure their are some great new Attacker's I'd say Jean and Spider Woman are top Attacker's. But we need a break or better yet we need to be able to Breathe for a bit with what we have its too much too fast im still getting used to how to fight. NICO, Dark Phoenix, Yelena, Zola now Jean Grey and Spider Woman not to mention champs who aren't Defenders but still have annoying specials like Bastion and a few others. While also having older Defenders get buffed and become more of a problem Capt Britain and Galan although Galan can be easily countered but we need a break for a few months. Ohh I forgot about Karolina 😆 🤣 she's also pretty good on Defense. How many is that since 3 months ago.

I generally agree that the number of defenders needs to slow down but Nico and karolina are both great attackers. On one of his streams DLL brought up a point of why they are willing to create so many more 5/5 defenders but a much more limited pool of 5/5 attackers and it comes down to balance. When you create 5/5 defenders you typically need about 5-6 counters before they start to lose value whereas if you create a 5/5 attacker (think Herc, ghost, juggs, etc.) you need to not only create / buff ~25-30 champs for them to start taking a hit in value but even then there’s a huge portion of defenders that will always be able to be nuked by them, “you can’t put the juggs back in the bottle”.

I disagree with that if that's what he said. He also said Serpent was a balanced champ upon release. He's really good at what he does and I have a lot of respect for the way he thinks but "25-30 champs before they start taking a hit" is ridiculous. They literally put specific nodes in place to stop certain attackers as well. Now they're putting damage mitigation mechanics in defender kits left and right as well. I respect what he does and think he's good at his job but sometimes he says something i disagree with and that's ok.