Which Un-Awakened Champs are better then their awakened versions?

Lex_Luger21

Are their any champions out their that you think are better without being awakened?

Blax4ever

Night Crawler, Black Panther Civil Warrior

Bahamut

Doctor Octopus. He loses his infinite Powerlock

Drenlin

They say nightcrawler is tougher to fight unawakened but how can you say Panther and CW?

JOHNOSA1995

Nc

Tiemilios

I think Blax means Black Panther Civil War. I'm not sure why Civil Warrior would be better without dupe, but I think BP CW is better with the dupe as well.

Most are better when awakened, but it's more of a question of which are significantly better versus only moderately better.

NC and Doc Oc may be the two exceptions to that rule, but for specific applications. Doc Oc for his power lock, and NightCrawler specifically for war defense and the fact that it takes longer for the enemy to get him into Swashbuckler. However, NC is better if you use him on offense, in questing, and in arena being duped (though I realize not many prefer to use him for AQ or questing).

gohard123

NC is better duped

vinniegainz

Tiemilios wrote: »

I think Blax means Black Panther Civil War. I'm not sure why Civil Warrior would be better without dupe, but I think BP CW is better with the dupe as well.

Most are better when awakened, but it's more of a question of which are significantly better versus only moderately better.

NC and Doc Oc may be the two exceptions to that rule, but for specific applications. Doc Oc for his power lock, and NightCrawler specifically for war defense and the fact that it takes longer for the enemy to get him into Swashbuckler. However, NC is better if you use him on offense, in questing, and in arena being duped (though I realize not many prefer to use him for AQ or questing).

Some people arent clear on doc oc and why people say hes "worse" (though he really isnt).

Basically the only time doc oc can be worse with his duped ability is when you've triggered the power lock breakthrough @ a bar of power against a magik or cable (those that trigger abilities @ bars of power).

This is because doc oc's sig makes the power lock work like this: opponent will gain power>then 100% of that power is drained and xx% is stolen. Therefore you can put a magik in infinite limbo triggers and cable chances to trigger power gain and regen. THIS IS THE ONLY TIME DOC OC'S SIG WORKS AGAINST THE PLAYER.

Outside power locking the opponent @ a bar of power, Doc oc is much better duped because you are stealing power for increased power gain. The heal block regen works in a similiar way in the sense you will steal the health regened.

Therefore if you just pay attention to the power level of your opponent, doc oc's sig makes him significantly better (as you will be gaining more power when you power lock the opponent and stealing health when you healblock.

vinniegainz

Also, to clarify, NC is actually better offensively when duped, just as a defender he is easier to fight because you only need to hit 3 times into his block to get him to switch stance (versus 4 or 5 hits), which allows you to easily back away when you get him to switch. Therefore clearly as a defender NC gets worse, but as an attacker he gets significantly better (you can stack up to 3 furies with critical hits).

BPCW when duped starts in relflect mode, so he wont gain armour ups, and one may parry as they please. Where as unduped, a few hits and BPCW starts stacking the armour ups and you cannot parry him. This is why he is considered worse.

Edit: So I can understand why certain champs like the above can be worse in situations when duped, however, doc oc is not one of those champs because all you have to do is not trigger the power lock @ bars of power on only magik/cable/champs that trigger defensive abilities at bars of power.

Lex_Luger21

I think Cross Bones is better unawakened

Deadbyrd9

NC is better for defense unduped but he’s a much better offensive champ when duped. He’s a much better attacker then defender imo. But bpcw is much better unduped

Deadbyrd9

Crossbones is better awakened since it gives him a chance to shrug off debuffs. That doesn’t hurt him in anyway like no armor for bpcw at the start of the fight or being able to switch NC stances more easily