MD is too much

DTT

MD is too much. It's always been too much. 99% of champs generate buffs, to have that constantly powering your opponent is ridiculous. The AI barely specials in matches and even trying to bait ends up powering them up.

BitterSteel

MD is not too much, the way dexterity interacts with it is.

Ricardobalto

The only way to not give MD any power is to strip off Dexterity but we need Dexterity to evade special attacks in war and aq

Blax4ever

The other class masteries need to be overhauled so that they to can do something useful, right now it’s a no brainer to put points in MD because it makes mediocre and sub par Champs useable.

UC, Juggs, Jane Foster, would be less “effective” without it

mum_m2

This reminds me of a little story....back when I first started playing, specifically in the arena, I was wondering how the heck im getting stunned for attacking someone. It made no sense to me, it infuriated me. Turns out, it was a little mastery called Parry, which was making it very difficult for me to get an opening. I said, "this is such ****, who would cheat like this", so i decided to play without parry because I didn't want to be that guy. Never-the-less the game got too hard, and I on the verge of giving up (should have), I unlocked parry and sold my soul.

you either get beaten or you join them. everyone has to deal with mystic dispersion. you don't need to turn off dexterity, but rest assured, if your war path includes a few mystics, you may want to consider bringing in some power controllers. just saying.

Voluntaris

Ricardobalto wrote: »

The only way to not give MD any power is to strip off Dexterity but we need Dexterity to evade special attacks in war and aq

Not true, shallow evade non-specials and block specials.

Sighsohard

MD is NOTHING now compared to what it was. All your whining and people like you have all but ruined aw cuz you can’t figure out how to practice your skills. Now they’ve even made blade for all the whiners out there. Guys, if you can’t do it it’s becuase you’re jnot good enough, don’t use appropriate champs and refuse to learn. It’s not because MD is over powered. Nowadays especially.

UC439

Start using some mystic attackers like gr magik & dv, I bet u'll start liking MD. don't just see the downside.

BrandJenn

Problems with MD? Really? Is this a post from 2015-2016?

Deadbyrd9

Also there’s ways to counter Md. power lock and power drain champs. There’s a counter for everything in this game. Playing around Md requires a bit more skill sometimes but there’s nothing wrong with it

thanks4playing

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Also there’s ways to counter Md. power lock and power drain champs. There’s a counter for everything in this game. Playing around Md requires a bit more skill sometimes but there’s nothing wrong with it

While I agree that there's a counter to everything including MD, it's a stretch to say that "there's nothing wrong with [MD]." The design flaws of MD, in conjunction with the design flaws of dexterity, are well documented, and their implications are pretty severe. Yet, (un)surprisingly, no direct action has been made.

Primmer79

thanks4playing wrote: »

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Also there’s ways to counter Md. power lock and power drain champs. There’s a counter for everything in this game. Playing around Md requires a bit more skill sometimes but there’s nothing wrong with it

While I agree that there's a counter to everything including MD, it's a stretch to say that "there's nothing wrong with [MD]." The design flaws of MD, in conjunction with the design flaws of dexterity, are well documented, and their implications are pretty severe. Yet, (un)surprisingly, no direct action has been made.

There is a lot of opinion behind this. If you said MD is much more powerful than the other class specific masteries, I would heavily agree. The design of MD isn't flawed unless the designer of MD decided its not working as intended. At its core, it was designed and working as intended. I believe the game has evolved since then where some buffs, i.e. dexterity, become more and more necessary. Challenger rating, and block penetration come into mind where more damage is taken through block than before. We can even go back to perfect block teams where it was more viable just to block. But with more mystic champions that have come out with all these changes, MD has only become stronger and interacted more. Still working as intended.

I'm not calling for a change, but wouldn't argue if they changed how dexterity interacted with it.

thanks4playing

Primmer79 wrote: »

thanks4playing wrote: »

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Also there’s ways to counter Md. power lock and power drain champs. There’s a counter for everything in this game. Playing around Md requires a bit more skill sometimes but there’s nothing wrong with it

While I agree that there's a counter to everything including MD, it's a stretch to say that "there's nothing wrong with [MD]." The design flaws of MD, in conjunction with the design flaws of dexterity, are well documented, and their implications are pretty severe. Yet, (un)surprisingly, no direct action has been made.

There is a lot of opinion behind this. If you said MD is much more powerful than the other class specific masteries, I would heavily agree. The design of MD isn't flawed unless the designer of MD decided its not working as intended. At its core, it was designed and working as intended. I believe the game has evolved since then where some buffs, i.e. dexterity, become more and more necessary. Challenger rating, and block penetration come into mind where more damage is taken through block than before. We can even go back to perfect block teams where it was more viable just to block. But with more mystic champions that have come out with all these changes, MD has only become stronger and interacted more. Still working as intended.

I'm not calling for a change, but wouldn't argue if they changed how dexterity interacted with it.

I don't disagree with this. MD by itself might not be flawed. But nothing in this game stands alone. And anyone in software development should be especially sensitive to this. That's why I said, in conjunction with dexterity.

Primmer79

thanks4playing wrote: »

Primmer79 wrote: »

thanks4playing wrote: »

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Also there’s ways to counter Md. power lock and power drain champs. There’s a counter for everything in this game. Playing around Md requires a bit more skill sometimes but there’s nothing wrong with it

While I agree that there's a counter to everything including MD, it's a stretch to say that "there's nothing wrong with [MD]." The design flaws of MD, in conjunction with the design flaws of dexterity, are well documented, and their implications are pretty severe. Yet, (un)surprisingly, no direct action has been made.

There is a lot of opinion behind this. If you said MD is much more powerful than the other class specific masteries, I would heavily agree. The design of MD isn't flawed unless the designer of MD decided its not working as intended. At its core, it was designed and working as intended. I believe the game has evolved since then where some buffs, i.e. dexterity, become more and more necessary. Challenger rating, and block penetration come into mind where more damage is taken through block than before. We can even go back to perfect block teams where it was more viable just to block. But with more mystic champions that have come out with all these changes, MD has only become stronger and interacted more. Still working as intended.

I'm not calling for a change, but wouldn't argue if they changed how dexterity interacted with it.

I don't disagree with this. MD by itself might not be flawed. But nothing in this game stands alone. And anyone in software development should be especially sensitive to this. That's why I said, in conjunction with dexterity.

The only thing that has changed is Dexterity becoming more and more necessary. There's a few examples of this throughout the game, where something is optional, then slowly becomes more and more necessary as the game evolves. The problem with this is that MD works as a direct punishment for needed Dexterity more and more, which is something that their design has done. As of right now, I do not believe that it is too much. I don't regularly carry a reliable power controller, and there are ways to change your fighting style to avoid some of the effects. It just sucks it requires more work and more precision to avoid it. Plus, with the emergence of Blade, most mystic defenders have been pushed to the side already. MD is their saving grace.

Deadbyrd9

There are champs like cap ww2 that don’t need dexterity unless something is unblockable. Cap can just block the damage and so can morningstar. Some champs like ghost rider can regen back the damage without triggering dexterity. Also it is an optional mastery. If less people used it MD might not be such a problem

thanks4playing

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

There are champs like cap ww2 that don’t need dexterity unless something is unblockable. Cap can just block the damage and so can morningstar. Some champs like ghost rider can regen back the damage without triggering dexterity. Also it is an optional mastery. If less people used it MD might not be such a problem

@Deadbyrd9 which competitive game mode or end game content have you, and anyone you know, successfully completed without dexterity? I'm curious what you mean by "optional." You could also say that doing a multi-hit combo is "optional" as well.

And good luck trying to regen with GR the degen that you get from Dorm in AW.

Primmer79

thanks4playing wrote: »

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

There are champs like cap ww2 that don’t need dexterity unless something is unblockable. Cap can just block the damage and so can morningstar. Some champs like ghost rider can regen back the damage without triggering dexterity. Also it is an optional mastery. If less people used it MD might not be such a problem

@Deadbyrd9 which competitive game mode or end game content have you, and anyone you know, successfully completed without dexterity? I'm curious what you mean by "optional." You could also say that doing a multi-hit combo is "optional" as well.

And good luck trying to regen with GR the degen that you get from Dorm in AW.

Act 5, chapter 6, stun immune, unblockable sp1 spidey I parried to death with Blade. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

It's kind of the same as me saying I stopped doing 5 hit combos then specials because it has the chance to be blocked. I stop at 4 and use my special.

I have also never really found a problem trying to regen with GR against Dorm. The issue for me is Dorm's SP 2 and accidentally giving him that.

Codornas

BitterSteel wrote: »

MD is not too much, the way dexterity interacts with it is.

They should ajust dexterity in order to only activate once. After u already have the buff, if u evade again, nothing should happen, instead of renewing the buff, causa that's what triggers MD. If they change this, MD will still work, but would make easier and less lame when the oponent doesnt release the goddam special

Deadbyrd9

It’s optional because it’s a mastery. You don’t have to put points into it. This game doesn’t tell you that you can’t enter a quest unless you have dexterity. Hence why it’s optional. I’m just pointing out the other side of MD and it’s not hard to beat dorms in aw without dexterity. I use magik and do my best to not trigger it. I’m not saying it’s not a useful mastery. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I have done specials after 4 hit combos with certain champs because it gets blocked a lot such as ultorn and cap marvel. It’s much easier to do it after 5 hits since they fixed it.

I’m just pointing out you can play around MD while having dexterity. A lot of people used cap ww2 in the old wars because juggs were everywhere. Just block all the hits until he throws a special. Get stand your ground to resist heavies so you don’t trigger dexterity to evade them

Praetor_Zwei153

BrandJenn wrote: »

Problems with MD? Really? Is this a post from 2015-2016?

+1

Armaganon00

Blade bro
.. blade..

98FF_

Ever fight Hyperion? If you're fine with him, you should be ok with MD

Gamer

Armaganon00 wrote: »

Blade bro
.. blade..

he Down negate MD

Chadhogan

While I don't think MD is a bad class mastery it's definitely scaled higher than the others does anyone remember pure skill that used to be an awesome mastery and now it's not, I think the class specific masteries should all have an equal benefit as they don't come cheap and for the people who had pure skill maxed will feel a bit cheated