AW opponent selection
karci79
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Hello i would like to ask how aw opponent is generated? Why is not the main key ali rating?
What to make it more competative and use just this. I just created new ali and we get 4times 3xstronger ali under ali rating and once 5x. I dont think that is interesting for both sides. Its absolutely demotivating for both sides. No one couldnt have pleasure from war like this and its bored for all and by my opinion its not too much fairplay.
Im not complaining, im just interesting hiw does it works and i am suggesting to use ali rating for better competetative war.
Thanks for your answer.
What to make it more competative and use just this. I just created new ali and we get 4times 3xstronger ali under ali rating and once 5x. I dont think that is interesting for both sides. Its absolutely demotivating for both sides. No one couldnt have pleasure from war like this and its bored for all and by my opinion its not too much fairplay.
Im not complaining, im just interesting hiw does it works and i am suggesting to use ali rating for better competetative war.
Thanks for your answer.
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you will find a matchup the is very close in both war rating and ally rating.....
only time you will find a matchup outside of this is when none is available.....
a 8.5mill ally with rating of 1000 will be matched against opponents with war rating of 1000 and ally rating between 8-10mil.
a 4mil ally with a rating of 1600 will be matched against opponents with war rating of 1600 and ally rating between 3-6mil.
when you are very low there are not always allies that come close in both to chose from as most allies dont stay down low for long.... those that are there are not looking for wars often......
when you get up high you often get some mismatched matchups cus there is a smaller pool and less allies to cheose from and tougher comptition....
but for the majority of allies in tier 12 to tier 4 most of your matchups will be close on both accounts
total alliance power means nothing, only war rating.
example.
we faced mmxiv and my alliance at the time only had 18mil total and they have almost 32mil total.
we are both tier 1 and 3000+ rating.
i have posted about this soooo many times.....
as i said dude it is different in the very top tiers as the pools are small and only the top allies are there
i guess i will have to go through and post all my screenshots again.....
it uses both. you are just seeing in tunnel visioned from the very top....
where the majority of the player base are in tier 12-5 it will 95% of the time get you a matchup that is close in war rating and ally rating......
just as up the top teams have been matched with different war ratings., this does not happen in the middle of the pack where most players are
we do 3 wars per week and our lowest rated opponent has been 7.5 mil and our highest has been 9.8mil.
my other ally has been 4-4.5 mil rating all season and a slightly better but lowly rating of 1250....
we also do 3 wars per week and our lowest rated opponent has been 3.7mil and our highest 5.6 mil.....
So from 5times we get ali 3times or 5times stronger. So i still dont think that this is ok and still dint understand why and how?
because there is bugger all allies also with 0 war rating to matchup with........
once you climb a bit it will change.....
all wars will give a boost when you are really really low to stop allies being stuck on ).....
also most allies with bugger all war rating are not looking for wars so it will matchup with all kinds of different allies. you will get some matchups against almost empty battlefields.... just keep going and it will change as you get higer war rating.....
We won, we get war rating, but how they get it... then we lost with ali with war rating 70, then we get ali with war rating 130 and we lost and then we get ali with war rarting 350....
You are 100% correct, only war rating matters, alliance rating is nothing
of course when you look at all of tier 1,2,3 allies they are all high and only a small amount there so you matchup against whoever else is looking but not too many options.
not only do i have alot of evidence to backup what i have said.
can you explain me how a 5mil ally in tier 4 only ever faces opponents between 5-7mil???? and i mean never above 7.5 mill opponent...... there woiuld be plenty of allies there that are 15mil but a 4mil ally there will never face them......
explain how this happens if ally rating is not also considered.....
we have asked @Kabam Miike to inform us how war matchups are found but they like to keep too keep too many secrets to stop people exploiting the system......
this does not happen in the thick of things in tier 12-5 as there will always be allies of all kinds of strengths looking due to the sheer volume of allies here so imbalanced matchups would be hard to come by.....
it will almost never match you up with imbalanced war rating....
it will only match you up with imbalanced ally rating when there is no close rating looking at the same time....
it would happen more frequently at the top and bottom of the spectrum and almost never in the middle.....
i can guaruntee you if i dropped my ally rating to 6 mil my matchups would become between 5.5 and 7.5 mil cus that is how we ran through half of season 1 and this was with 1100 war rating....
thats nearly a +10m difference
and these guys rosters and huge and they have 2x r5 5*'s and finished "masters"
not alot of allainces have a full team of 2x r5 5*'s and they are still going against mmxiv
"can you explain me how a 5mil ally in tier 4 only ever faces opponents between 5-7mil???? and i mean never above 7.5 mill opponent...... there woiuld be plenty of allies there that are 15mil but a 4mil ally there will never face them......"
here is another examplle omni in TIER 4 war with
OMNI 1991 rating
CHULAZO 1910 rating
perfect war rating to be matched up, both in tier 4.... but wait u said and i quote
"explain me how a 5mil ally in tier 4 only ever faces opponents between 5-7mil????"
go to 0.:23 of the video and 0:31
tier 4 war
OMNI with 14 million rating average member rating is 502k
CHULAZO 8milion rating average member rating is 277k
BOTH in tier 4 war
if i was to make my curent allaince who has a 3,000+ war rating and have 18m as an allaince and we decided to all "create" from scratch a new completely new alliance. we would start with 0 WAR rating and still have an 18m total as an alliance
THERE wouild be "0" % chance we would face mmxiv because our war rating is 0 and not 3,000 and in tier 1.
explain that.
We are at tier 1 and we can get in war alli with 200% war rating and 400% alli rating.
And why is different on higher tiers is not clear to me also.
Can you imagine how it was riddiculous if they see our 5k deffenders againt trheir more than 10k?!
So its obvious that im asking why its like this and why it can not be more balanced in every tier...
i said war rating is the biggest thing....
i also said ally rating is afactor.........
i said you will not face someone with a different war rating....
i said you will where possible face someone who also has same ally rating. but when not possible you will face stronger/weaker.
but it will look for a close match on both factors first.....
start a new ally with a rating of 18mil
once you get to around 1000 war rating take note of all you matchups.... 95% of them would fall with 2 million either side of you......
you have given me a couple of examples of outliers and also i said top tier like 1-3 is different....
there will always be outliers.....
i am talking about in the thick of things you will find close matchup on both accounts 95% of times.......
i can provide you evidence on how it behaves in the tiers 12-5.......
lol u are not tier 1 and complain that ur getting outmatched, what if ur alliance in game?
look at the video
it is a TIER 4 war
war rating
OMNI war 1991 rating
CHULAZO war 1910 rating
Total allaince power as an allaince
OMNI 14 million
CHULAZO 8millon
everything is based on war rating. not total allaince power
@karci79
i think not......
i dont think i can ever convince people up top that this is a thing because it wasnt before.
it wasnt when ur ally was low and climbed up....
things were different....
but it doesnt affect you now cus you have already made your climb up....
they changed it somewhere around start of/early season 1
but....
regardless of this.
the biggest problem that causes arguments like this and many others is kabam being so tight lipped and secretive and refusing to tell players how things actually work.....
this is something that many people ask and question for a long time.
it would be about time for kabam to step up and address this and tewll us exactly wat happens and why allies up high see thing differently to allies in the middle....
@Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit
no the allaince war matchmaking has always been the same.
you asked
""can you explain me how a 5mil ally in tier 4 only ever faces opponents between 5-7mil???? and i mean never above 7.5 mill opponent...... "
^ this is only 2 million diference?
i just showed u a 8m allaince going against a 14m allaince in tier 4!
watch the video its right there with time stamps lol
both alliance had a similar war rating thats why they was matched up.
thats how it is man.
my allaince is 18m millin all together...and if we all decided to move and create a fresh alliance from start.
it would have 0 war rating...
and when we search for our first war... will match us opponents thats close to 0
we would start at tier 22 with war rating 0 and would have to climb up from 0
but our allaince as a whole will stay at 18m.
you did not tell me how waht i said can happen.....
what i said i am not making it up. i have screenshots of my conversation with an ally leader in tier 4 who has a 4mil alliance who says all his matchups are 5-7 mill alilies.
so whilst you posted an outlier you failed to say how this could happen.....
as i said you guys in top tiers are blinded by being at the top you cannot and do not see what is going on below you.
it has changed but it is not affecting the allies right at the top as the pool size is so small so to break into the very top you have no choice but to fight these strong allies as there are no weak opponents there.
how it is working up the top is not how it is working down below.
From my experience and conversations, war rating is the sole factor for matching, but war rating TENDS to match with alliance rating. There are obviously exceptions to both depending on match time, etc.
The one thing I can say from my experience, is there are a lot of nerds (including me) in this game, always looking for a leg up and always testing parts of the game. If alliance rating did truly play a part, it would be taken advantage of by now.