Advocating? No. I'm explaining that they have a purpose for some. Some people need EVERY Frag they can get. For the longest time, the biggest source was AQ. Then, as the game evolved, they became more available in other areas. Now they're making them even more available. Things have changed. If the only suggestion you have for people is to ignore putting in an effort with the existing ways they're available and join the Prestige Race, perhaps you could spend less time trying to take random jabs at me, and become more aware of the many different ranges of Players. The majority of people who need these aren't likely getting into a T4CC Ally anytime soon, at least not without Ranking their Champs. I didn't advocate anything. I'm not the one telling people how to play.
That's been the largest roadblock for years. Too many people insist on keeping the Cats in the hands of Allies who play the race. Only it's a Catch-22 because no one will take people on without Prestige. How do you get Prestige? RNG, Arena, then Ranking. How do you Rank without Resources? Hmm....
Sorry, but the game is evolving. The solution is not always what it was. Some people don't want to be in cliques and still want to advance.
My ally is 11m and we care nothing for prestige. We have 800k players and some that came in with barely 100k. Only requirement is to be able to be effective... clearing a good amount or as a reliable taxi. There are numerous allies earning T4CC at all kinds of levels who don’t care about prestige so long as you can keep up and be useful as a team member.
Naw. It is not a primary source to earn cats at the cost of time and energy. Just use it to top off every now and then, but let’s not encourage new players to go this route instead of using energy to progress and get into an ally that can earn them in AQ with crystals and glory.
So, if you do this as your primary means of getting t4cc... and aren’t in an ally, this is a terrible idea. With some rough, generalized, but realistic math...
60 units a day to 💯 this daily quest
X
130 (5 days a week for 26 weeks is how many weeks required to earn 1 full t4cc)
=7,800 units (to earn one of each class cat... oh and half a year of time doing this daily).
Multiply x 3 so you can take one of each class up to 4* R5 (requires 3 to do this) and you’ll be set in only 1.5 years and the low price of 23,400 units or 7.5+ odin’s.
Oh and don’t forget you’ll need energy refills to do every other EQ and special event too so double the amount of units which will cost more money and/or time in arena too.
Becoming uncollected as soon as possible and hangingbin an ally will you get you there much faster and cheaper.
Doesn't cost any Units at all, actually. I did a round, hit the Help Button, and finished it off when I came back 5 hours later. It can cost Units, if you don't want to wait. Otherwise, you just come back to it. If you're not using your Energy otherwise, it's pretty simple. Assuming you get 5k of the Class you want every month from EQ, if the RNG is right, you're saving yourself a month of waiting by running the Class you need.
Advocating? No. I'm explaining that they have a purpose for some. Some people need EVERY Frag they can get. For the longest time, the biggest source was AQ. Then, as the game evolved, they became more available in other areas. Now they're making them even more available. Things have changed. If the only suggestion you have for people is to ignore putting in an effort with the existing ways they're available and join the Prestige Race, perhaps you could spend less time trying to take random jabs at me, and become more aware of the many different ranges of Players. The majority of people who need these aren't likely getting into a T4CC Ally anytime soon, at least not without Ranking their Champs. I didn't advocate anything. I'm not the one telling people how to play.
When did “find any alliance running quest” equal “join the prestige race? Do you think everyone just doesn’t do quesr because it’s hard to get prestige? My group never bothered with it and all of our guys did just fine. You are doing what you always do, take one part of a respond and jump on that, and put words in people’s mouths.
No one is arguing this is meant for a small portion of the player base. But if they asked someone which would be a better use of their time and resources for the little energy you have to spare when you are coming up AND would be in need for these small amounts of t4cc, like all of us did at one point, finding ANY alliance no matter the prestige and getting fragment crystals and now peak milestones will yield a much faster and more efficient amount of fragments than wasting half your day’s quest energy for a tiny amount of a crystal. The only time I would recommend doing this is if you were close enough to getting a full catalyst and it would produce that, and you had your monthly event done before it disappears.
You literally pipe on every single thread and “explain” and tell people how to play this game, all day long. You derail every single thread you’re involved with. You aren’t far in the game, others have exposed your lack of knowledge, skill, effort toward the game, and then you showed us yourself when you couldn’t understand a basic concept of why you don’t have any five star dupes. You open yourself up for random comments and jabs by responding on every single thread like you’re some actual source of knowledge of how this game works. It would be a shame for an up and coming player to see this and take your word that they shouldn’t be spending their time trying to get into any alliance they can and working lower maps until they are ready to run higher ones. Your entire premise is shaky anyway - no one just jumps into a t4cc alliance at all in this game, you start somewhere, and you’re going to be working on your roster anyway if you are that low in progression and wouldn’t be ready to start concentrating on tier 4 class catalysts anyway. You build up lower and start collecting fastest through maps. Energy should be spent on story and event quests, and RESOURCES are earned through modes like alliance quest. Anyone who has every played this game seriously knows this. Yet here you are giving players strange advice that goes contrary to how the majority of the players of this game built up their accounts.
If people choose not to be in what you call cliques they will take forever and waste their energy, just like any other forum or experienced player would tell them. But keep going man. It’s clear where you spend the majority of your time, not playing the game you talk about every thread you can on here. I hope no one takes the route you did or are advocating for on here, or they’re in for a long progression and bad advice for tiny amounts like this.
Doesn't cost any Units at all, actually. I did a round, hit the Help Button, and finished it off when I came back 5 hours later. It can cost Units, if you don't want to wait. Otherwise, you just come back to it. If you're not using your Energy otherwise, it's pretty simple. Assuming you get 5k of the Class you want every month from EQ, if the RNG is right, you're saving yourself a month of waiting by running the Class you need.
And you do event quest on top then, how? Cause to 💯 heroic, master and uncollected takes time and unitsbover the month as well. If you’re doing t4cc EQ daily, as suggested, units for the other areas of game play need to come from somewhere too. It would be pretty tough to do this for 1.5 years, daily, and avoid progressing elsewhere.
Doesn't cost any Units at all, actually. I did a round, hit the Help Button, and finished it off when I came back 5 hours later. It can cost Units, if you don't want to wait. Otherwise, you just come back to it. If you're not using your Energy otherwise, it's pretty simple. Assuming you get 5k of the Class you want every month from EQ, if the RNG is right, you're saving yourself a month of waiting by running the Class you need.
And you do event quest on top then, how? Cause to 💯 heroic, master and uncollected takes time and unitsbover the month as well. If you’re doing t4cc EQ daily, as suggested, units for the other areas of game play need to come from somewhere too. It would be pretty tough to do this for 1.5 years, daily, and avoid progressing elsewhere.
I think we've already established that The Uncollected have little need of it.
It’s like telling someone starting this game to spend their units on energy refills - for resources they don’t have the champs worthy of ranking yet, instead of using them on masteries. You would rather stick by your narrow opinion in order to support something kabam did, and give a disingenuous response on its worthiness, and therefore don’t mind if it’s bad advice for up and coming players who may read it. You’re on this lonely quest to be the most supportive player on every thread for this company for some reason beyond all of us, and speak as if you speak for them on so many different topics and threads on here.
Anyone can spend or progress how they choose, this is true. And there’s different opinions on everything including this. It’s not the worst thing they’ve ever done, and some people on both ends of the spectrum will do it. But acting like it’s the perfect solution for lower level players who need class fragments when it’s one of the slowest and least efficient uses of someone’s energy and time in the game, for such little reward over even a half a year time period, that sits wrong with me. Even if a player had one four star champ worthy of ranking to rank 5 and needed all three catalysts - I still wouldn’t tell them to do this unless they were close enough to complete the full catalyst. I would still tell them to get fragments through event quests, run maps 1-3 first and get experience and get in a group doing war (to acquire new champs quicker) and build up that way while saving energy for the highest reward yield in the game. This is so far down that list. The fact you’re saying what you did above shows me you’re more worried about proving your own self centered arbitrary point and sticking up for kabam, you would give someone bad advice. It’s the epitome of everything you’re doing all over this forum.
Advocating? No. I'm explaining that they have a purpose for some. Some people need EVERY Frag they can get. For the longest time, the biggest source was AQ. Then, as the game evolved, they became more available in other areas. Now they're making them even more available. Things have changed. If the only suggestion you have for people is to ignore putting in an effort with the existing ways they're available and join the Prestige Race, perhaps you could spend less time trying to take random jabs at me, and become more aware of the many different ranges of Players. The majority of people who need these aren't likely getting into a T4CC Ally anytime soon, at least not without Ranking their Champs. I didn't advocate anything. I'm not the one telling people how to play.
When did “find any alliance running quest” equal “join the prestige race? Do you think everyone just doesn’t do quesr because it’s hard to get prestige? My group never bothered with it and all of our guys did just fine. You are doing what you always do, take one part of a respond and jump on that, and put words in people’s mouths.
No one is arguing this is meant for a small portion of the player base. But if they asked someone which would be a better use of their time and resources for the little energy you have to spare when you are coming up AND would be in need for these small amounts of t4cc, like all of us did at one point, finding ANY alliance no matter the prestige and getting fragment crystals and now peak milestones will yield a much faster and more efficient amount of fragments than wasting half your day’s quest energy for a tiny amount of a crystal. The only time I would recommend doing this is if you were close enough to getting a full catalyst and it would produce that, and you had your monthly event done before it disappears.
You literally pipe on every single thread and “explain” and tell people how to play this game, all day long. You derail every single thread you’re involved with. You aren’t far in the game, others have exposed your lack of knowledge, skill, effort toward the game, and then you showed us yourself when you couldn’t understand a basic concept of why you don’t have any five star dupes. You open yourself up for random comments and jabs by responding on every single thread like you’re some actual source of knowledge of how this game works. It would be a shame for an up and coming player to see this and take your word that they shouldn’t be spending their time trying to get into any alliance they can and working lower maps until they are ready to run higher ones. Your entire premise is shaky anyway - no one just jumps into a t4cc alliance at all in this game, you start somewhere, and you’re going to be working on your roster anyway if you are that low in progression and wouldn’t be ready to start concentrating on tier 4 class catalysts anyway. You build up lower and start collecting fastest through maps. Energy should be spent on story and event quests, and RESOURCES are earned through modes like alliance quest. Anyone who has every played this game seriously knows this. Yet here you are giving players strange advice that goes contrary to how the majority of the players of this game built up their accounts.
If people choose not to be in what you call cliques they will take forever and waste their energy, just like any other forum or experienced player would tell them. But keep going man. It’s clear where you spend the majority of your time, not playing the game you talk about every thread you can on here. I hope no one takes the route you did or are advocating for on here, or they’re in for a long progression and bad advice for tiny amounts like this.
If your sole purpose in commenting is to take shots at me, you will find my responses waning.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. I've dedicated my career to helping people grow. I am where I am because of choice. The people I've helped have grown and moved on quite fine.
I've advocated for a permanent installment of it for some time now. There is an entire demographic that has needs that are rarely heard, and the solutions are not always what makes sense on the other side. Somewhere along the lines of Uncollected and Top Tier Allies, people forgot the value of things and how it is to be stuck in a loop, making minimal progress. Some people aren't there, and they need Resources. This is one of those things that benefits them on their way.
I'm done with the pseudo-personal aspect of this conversation, and I'm quite aware of your intention in baiting me. My memory is in tact. However, if you're going to judge my ability to help people, when I've spent 2 and a half years doing it, you probably want to look at how suggesting people turn their nose up at valuable materials that don't come easy for them, over Energy that refills within minutes, is not helping anyone grow. Just prolonging their growth and furthering their discouragement and frustration. We are done here.
I think we've already established that The Uncollected have little need of it.
In all the info posted here you’ve focused on one component as usual. I’m uncollected and would consider running it to top off on occasion, but only then. Uncollected, or anyone, would run it a lot more if the energy requirement was a bit more realistic. That was the point of the OP and the other handful of forum posts about the other vent that popped up today.
If you truly believe it is a good value, for anyone uncollected, I challenge you to run it daily, every day, until you become uncollected and keep us informed of your daily progress in becoming uncollected at the same time.
I think we've already established that The Uncollected have little need of it.
In all the info posted here you’ve focused on one component as usual. I’m uncollected and would consider running it to top off on occasion, but only then. Uncollected, or anyone, would run it a lot more if the energy requirement was a bit more realistic. That was the point of the OP and the other handful of forum posts about the other vent that popped up today.
If you truly believe it is a good value, for anyone uncollected, I challenge you to run it daily, every day, until you become uncollected and keep us informed of your daily progress in becoming uncollected at the same time.
I think as with many things, it's for everyone. However, it's probably geared towards people who don't have the access that Uncollected do, who are trying to form Cats after months and months of waiting.
If you’ve spent 2 and a half years doing this and that’s the advice you’re giving people on a regular basis, I would rethink your choices and time spent. If you think you are the only noble player on these forums or in the game willing to help people, you are mistaken. Many of us have been asking for this for a long time, but now that’s it’s here we are allowed to have criticism of its reward output as well as the energy required. Yet when we do so, you immediately jump on those people and speak as if your opinion is the standard by which it should be judged. We have all been in the same shoes you were, and all are just as qualified to give advice and to judge the many aspects of this game. We are also allowed to criticize your comments if we feel they are incorrect or bad advice.
“This is one of those things that benefits them along the way.” Many disagree with you, and had detailed answers as to why. You don’t like that and just like every other thread you jump into here, you speak as if your opinion is somehow more qualified or comes from a more helpful place, and you just admitted as much in your response. You have a god complex, which is interesting knowing now how long you’ve played and where you probably should be in relation to the progression of the game. Let others speak their mind and have their opinions and don’t belittle them because you believe they aren’t coming from a place of wanting to help. You aren’t the only one here either able to or willing to impart knowledge, and I truly think if you just listened to some others who have either played longer than you or progressed further, you would fix some of your own issues. It’s quite baffling to see honestly. You’ve spent most of your time on this game posting on this board and trying to give advice, yet are unwilling to be self reflecting on your own behavior and how you deal with countless other experienced and genuine players who want to comment here as well. You’ve shut down entire threads because you couldn’t just let them speak, and needed to have YOUR advice and comments stand alone. We’ve seen it time and time again. I only started posting here recently but I’ve seen your comments for a long time now, and after seeing your reason for them above, and how far behind you are in the game compared to where you could be, it all makes sense now.
Spend some more time listening and trying to understand where other players are coming from, and do not convince yourself you are the only one who has experienced what you have coming up in this game, nor are you the only one viewing these issues with the lens of thinking about other players or where they all might be in the game. It’s also a lot different than when us old timers started and grew from, and the opportunity for progression is much much more available and achievable. I think you may have forgotten that somewhere along the way and think you speak for some group of people that either doesn’t exist, or only comes here and reads your comments. You can respond all you want but you would be missing the point entirely, once again.
Very mature. Your faults and your lack of growth in the game and on this forum are all of your own doing. Posting an outdated meme that was popular years ago won’t change that.
You jumped in to criticize me personally. Not just my suggestions. Even now, you can't let it go. I said we're done and I mean we're done. If you can't have a conversation with me without making digs, I have no interest in debating with you. You want to agree or disagree, by all means. Leave the whole bit about me as a person out of it. Otherwise, I have no time for it.
You jumped in to criticize me personally. Not just my suggestions. Even now, you can't let it go. I said we're done and I mean we're done. If you can't have a conversation with me without making digs, I have no interest in debating with you. You want to agree or disagree, by all means. Leave the whole bit about me as a person out of it. Otherwise, I have no time for it.
I don't see these new quests as a new way to get T4CC, I see this as an opportunity to get some frags when you don't have anything else to do.
For example, I'm ALWAYS short in mystic "cats" and always spend my glory to buy the ridicolous amount of frags I can from the glory store, so be sure I'll do the mystic quests.
So are these quest useful? No... Are these quest useless? Neither.
You jumped in to criticize me personally. Not just my suggestions. Even now, you can't let it go. I said we're done and I mean we're done. If you can't have a conversation with me without making digs, I have no interest in debating with you. You want to agree or disagree, by all means. Leave the whole bit about me as a person out of it. Otherwise, I have no time for it.
I never slammed you as a person, I talked about your comments as a player of this game, and your comments on this forum. You are choosing to take it personally, and are deflecting from what I am saying.
You wasted a full energy refill and a half to run this today because you seem to not be in an alliance that is earning a lot of fragments. Have you completed every level of this months event quest yet? I did. I ran the expert riffs and got a full 5 star already from it. I seem to remember you having a problem there too. Interesting how it all connects though. You seem to have issues in many aspects of progression in this game for having played it for 2 1/2 years, if we’re going by your statements. You also seem to have an issue with your decision to burn resources better used for your self stated goals. You told us as much with that comment here.
You do not control the forums, and you definitely don’t get to decide that “we’re done” as anyone can comment on your message in this thread. You have no problem commenting on others and certainly have no issue with continuing a discussion. So I’ll state it again for anyone reading this thread, trying to decide if this is a worthy use of your energy if you’re struggling to get full catalysts - if you’re are not in a group running some map on ANY level 5 days a week in a row, your best path would be to join one. With the new peak milestones they just introduced, the glory rewards got a big buff on every level. You’ll get fragment crystals and you can use glory instead of spending your quest energy here for the exact same yield. We all came up in this game and had the same bottleneck of resources and had to scrape them together, but the game has actually given you some really useful outlets to earn them on a regular basis while obtaining a ton of others at the same time. By doing this quest, you’re only getting this small fraction of one at a time and it would take you half a year to build just one - you’ll need THREE to rank even a 4 star champ.
Don’t let someone derail this thread saying they only want to be useful and helpful when it’s clear they can’t even help themselves. Tons of groups are recruiting and need players, and it’s worth it. Use your energy in the monthly quest or story, the rewards are worth it.
I think as with many things, it's for everyone. However, it's probably geared towards people who don't have the access that Uncollected do, who are trying to form Cats after months and months of waiting.
Instead, you’re suggesting waiting months and months (takes 24 months to earn 1 of each class cat this way) and pretty much using your entire daily energy on top of that? Seems like, in your scenario it’s going to take time regardless, but yours is less effective. I get a couple a month just for being in an ally and then I still get to use my energy for progression.
I think as with many things, it's for everyone. However, it's probably geared towards people who don't have the access that Uncollected do, who are trying to form Cats after months and months of waiting.
Instead, you’re suggesting waiting months and months (takes 24 months to earn 1 of each class cat this way) and pretty much using your entire daily energy on top of that? Seems like, in your scenario it’s going to take time regardless, but yours is less effective. I get a couple a month just for being in an ally and then I still get to use my energy for progression.
Do as you please, doesn’t impact me.
You might. Others don't.
I never suggested anything. I was explaining the ways people can make use of it because the argument was that it wasn't worth it.
I said people can top one off, work towards a Class they need, or do it proactively. Whether they want to or not is up to them. I said some people DO have a need for it. That doesn't center around the people who don't need it as much, and from what I can see, that's where the majority of arguments are coming from. People who aren't short on Cats and Frags.
I don't see these new quests as a new way to get T4CC, I see this as an opportunity to get some frags when you don't have anything else to do.
For example, I'm ALWAYS short in mystic "cats" and always spend my glory to buy the ridicolous amount of frags I can from the glory store, so be sure I'll do the mystic quests.
So are these quest useful? No... Are these quest useless? Neither.
I think most of us are on board with this. It’s just not a daily thing that should be recommended by anyone as a means to earn a full cat.
It’s a pretty meaningless enhancement for a lot of us, I hope some find it helpful. New war seasons was a nice add, the dungeons were fun, AQ needs an overhaul, and a lot of us have completed all of story mode, just waiting for Act 6....LOL 2.0, something challenging and new.. the monthly quests are a nice way to get resources, but much like grinding in arena are pretty boring...just a means to an end. The new peak milestones will add up eventually, but aren’t that complelling in the near term... and people are quitting the game everyday due to heat issues... would be nice to see a couple wins for the players across skill levels, or I fear it’s going to be a very small group left playing very soon.
Eh @TitoBandito187 forget it. There’s no getting through to this guy. I think any player who was considering running these for the purpose he stated will be able to read this thread and see what the majority are saying and where the best advice is. If he wants to waste his energy on this and whine about not getting dupes when he’s not trying or understanding why he’s so far behind, it’s only hurting him. We said what needed to be said and what I believe was helpful advice for those players. Let him continue posting while not playing the game, and playing it the most inefficient ways possible. No skin off our back.
I did NOT even bother to play this new Science T4cc catalyst quest bcos after some brief calculation, I feel it is completely NOT worth it for my case in terms of energy consumption (or unit spent to buy energy refill). Good luck to someone who think they want to run thru the 2 paths.
Putting any emotion aside, looking scientifically at the numbers alone,
Each week, 1 class per week
.... Total energy = 136
.... Total T4cc fragments = 400 + 1000 + 50 + 100 = 1550
.... Total weeks to fully form a T4cc = 36000 / 1550 = 23.23 weeks
.... Total energy spent to form a T4cc = 136 x 23.23 = 3159 energy
.... Total units for energy refill equivalent = 3159 / 70 * 30 = 1353 units
.... Total time to fight 2 paths per day = assuming 15 min (assuming no heating issue or lagging)
.... Total time in fighting to get 1 T4cc = 15min x 23.23 = 348.45/60 = 5.8 hours
Well, taking 23+ weeks time span, using 5.8 hours in fight time, spending 3159 energy or 1353 units for refill, just to get 1 fully formed T4cc (good thing it is of choice) .... hmmmm ... I'm sure I will have better luck with Glory Crystal, Ascendant crystal or Map 5 crystals.
On the other hand, I may only play it once in a blue moon, in a specific situation, say if I'm only short of 900 fragments to get enough T4cc for my 4* upgrade to R5, or for my 5* upgrade to R3 or R4 and I'm rushing to upgrade before my T1a or T2a or T4b are expiring, then yes I'll probably go ahead (assuming I'm on the right day of the specific class) to do both path only on that specific occasion.
Still, good effort to introduce this new quest, but like OP clearly stated, "but again you are in it for yourself". Thanks, but no thanks.
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Sorry, but the game is evolving. The solution is not always what it was. Some people don't want to be in cliques and still want to advance.
Naw. It is not a primary source to earn cats at the cost of time and energy. Just use it to top off every now and then, but let’s not encourage new players to go this route instead of using energy to progress and get into an ally that can earn them in AQ with crystals and glory.
So, if you do this as your primary means of getting t4cc... and aren’t in an ally, this is a terrible idea. With some rough, generalized, but realistic math...
60 units a day to 💯 this daily quest
X
130 (5 days a week for 26 weeks is how many weeks required to earn 1 full t4cc)
=7,800 units (to earn one of each class cat... oh and half a year of time doing this daily).
Multiply x 3 so you can take one of each class up to 4* R5 (requires 3 to do this) and you’ll be set in only 1.5 years and the low price of 23,400 units or 7.5+ odin’s.
Oh and don’t forget you’ll need energy refills to do every other EQ and special event too so double the amount of units which will cost more money and/or time in arena too.
Becoming uncollected as soon as possible and hangingbin an ally will you get you there much faster and cheaper.
Do what you want with your time and money though.
When did “find any alliance running quest” equal “join the prestige race? Do you think everyone just doesn’t do quesr because it’s hard to get prestige? My group never bothered with it and all of our guys did just fine. You are doing what you always do, take one part of a respond and jump on that, and put words in people’s mouths.
No one is arguing this is meant for a small portion of the player base. But if they asked someone which would be a better use of their time and resources for the little energy you have to spare when you are coming up AND would be in need for these small amounts of t4cc, like all of us did at one point, finding ANY alliance no matter the prestige and getting fragment crystals and now peak milestones will yield a much faster and more efficient amount of fragments than wasting half your day’s quest energy for a tiny amount of a crystal. The only time I would recommend doing this is if you were close enough to getting a full catalyst and it would produce that, and you had your monthly event done before it disappears.
You literally pipe on every single thread and “explain” and tell people how to play this game, all day long. You derail every single thread you’re involved with. You aren’t far in the game, others have exposed your lack of knowledge, skill, effort toward the game, and then you showed us yourself when you couldn’t understand a basic concept of why you don’t have any five star dupes. You open yourself up for random comments and jabs by responding on every single thread like you’re some actual source of knowledge of how this game works. It would be a shame for an up and coming player to see this and take your word that they shouldn’t be spending their time trying to get into any alliance they can and working lower maps until they are ready to run higher ones. Your entire premise is shaky anyway - no one just jumps into a t4cc alliance at all in this game, you start somewhere, and you’re going to be working on your roster anyway if you are that low in progression and wouldn’t be ready to start concentrating on tier 4 class catalysts anyway. You build up lower and start collecting fastest through maps. Energy should be spent on story and event quests, and RESOURCES are earned through modes like alliance quest. Anyone who has every played this game seriously knows this. Yet here you are giving players strange advice that goes contrary to how the majority of the players of this game built up their accounts.
If people choose not to be in what you call cliques they will take forever and waste their energy, just like any other forum or experienced player would tell them. But keep going man. It’s clear where you spend the majority of your time, not playing the game you talk about every thread you can on here. I hope no one takes the route you did or are advocating for on here, or they’re in for a long progression and bad advice for tiny amounts like this.
And you do event quest on top then, how? Cause to 💯 heroic, master and uncollected takes time and unitsbover the month as well. If you’re doing t4cc EQ daily, as suggested, units for the other areas of game play need to come from somewhere too. It would be pretty tough to do this for 1.5 years, daily, and avoid progressing elsewhere.
I think we've already established that The Uncollected have little need of it.
Anyone can spend or progress how they choose, this is true. And there’s different opinions on everything including this. It’s not the worst thing they’ve ever done, and some people on both ends of the spectrum will do it. But acting like it’s the perfect solution for lower level players who need class fragments when it’s one of the slowest and least efficient uses of someone’s energy and time in the game, for such little reward over even a half a year time period, that sits wrong with me. Even if a player had one four star champ worthy of ranking to rank 5 and needed all three catalysts - I still wouldn’t tell them to do this unless they were close enough to complete the full catalyst. I would still tell them to get fragments through event quests, run maps 1-3 first and get experience and get in a group doing war (to acquire new champs quicker) and build up that way while saving energy for the highest reward yield in the game. This is so far down that list. The fact you’re saying what you did above shows me you’re more worried about proving your own self centered arbitrary point and sticking up for kabam, you would give someone bad advice. It’s the epitome of everything you’re doing all over this forum.
If your sole purpose in commenting is to take shots at me, you will find my responses waning.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. I've dedicated my career to helping people grow. I am where I am because of choice. The people I've helped have grown and moved on quite fine.
I've advocated for a permanent installment of it for some time now. There is an entire demographic that has needs that are rarely heard, and the solutions are not always what makes sense on the other side. Somewhere along the lines of Uncollected and Top Tier Allies, people forgot the value of things and how it is to be stuck in a loop, making minimal progress. Some people aren't there, and they need Resources. This is one of those things that benefits them on their way.
I'm done with the pseudo-personal aspect of this conversation, and I'm quite aware of your intention in baiting me. My memory is in tact. However, if you're going to judge my ability to help people, when I've spent 2 and a half years doing it, you probably want to look at how suggesting people turn their nose up at valuable materials that don't come easy for them, over Energy that refills within minutes, is not helping anyone grow. Just prolonging their growth and furthering their discouragement and frustration. We are done here.
In all the info posted here you’ve focused on one component as usual. I’m uncollected and would consider running it to top off on occasion, but only then. Uncollected, or anyone, would run it a lot more if the energy requirement was a bit more realistic. That was the point of the OP and the other handful of forum posts about the other vent that popped up today.
If you truly believe it is a good value, for anyone uncollected, I challenge you to run it daily, every day, until you become uncollected and keep us informed of your daily progress in becoming uncollected at the same time.
I think as with many things, it's for everyone. However, it's probably geared towards people who don't have the access that Uncollected do, who are trying to form Cats after months and months of waiting.
“This is one of those things that benefits them along the way.” Many disagree with you, and had detailed answers as to why. You don’t like that and just like every other thread you jump into here, you speak as if your opinion is somehow more qualified or comes from a more helpful place, and you just admitted as much in your response. You have a god complex, which is interesting knowing now how long you’ve played and where you probably should be in relation to the progression of the game. Let others speak their mind and have their opinions and don’t belittle them because you believe they aren’t coming from a place of wanting to help. You aren’t the only one here either able to or willing to impart knowledge, and I truly think if you just listened to some others who have either played longer than you or progressed further, you would fix some of your own issues. It’s quite baffling to see honestly. You’ve spent most of your time on this game posting on this board and trying to give advice, yet are unwilling to be self reflecting on your own behavior and how you deal with countless other experienced and genuine players who want to comment here as well. You’ve shut down entire threads because you couldn’t just let them speak, and needed to have YOUR advice and comments stand alone. We’ve seen it time and time again. I only started posting here recently but I’ve seen your comments for a long time now, and after seeing your reason for them above, and how far behind you are in the game compared to where you could be, it all makes sense now.
Spend some more time listening and trying to understand where other players are coming from, and do not convince yourself you are the only one who has experienced what you have coming up in this game, nor are you the only one viewing these issues with the lens of thinking about other players or where they all might be in the game. It’s also a lot different than when us old timers started and grew from, and the opportunity for progression is much much more available and achievable. I think you may have forgotten that somewhere along the way and think you speak for some group of people that either doesn’t exist, or only comes here and reads your comments. You can respond all you want but you would be missing the point entirely, once again.
Very mature. Your faults and your lack of growth in the game and on this forum are all of your own doing. Posting an outdated meme that was popular years ago won’t change that.
And yet you returned to post....
For example, I'm ALWAYS short in mystic "cats" and always spend my glory to buy the ridicolous amount of frags I can from the glory store, so be sure I'll do the mystic quests.
So are these quest useful? No... Are these quest useless? Neither.
I never slammed you as a person, I talked about your comments as a player of this game, and your comments on this forum. You are choosing to take it personally, and are deflecting from what I am saying.
You wasted a full energy refill and a half to run this today because you seem to not be in an alliance that is earning a lot of fragments. Have you completed every level of this months event quest yet? I did. I ran the expert riffs and got a full 5 star already from it. I seem to remember you having a problem there too. Interesting how it all connects though. You seem to have issues in many aspects of progression in this game for having played it for 2 1/2 years, if we’re going by your statements. You also seem to have an issue with your decision to burn resources better used for your self stated goals. You told us as much with that comment here.
You do not control the forums, and you definitely don’t get to decide that “we’re done” as anyone can comment on your message in this thread. You have no problem commenting on others and certainly have no issue with continuing a discussion. So I’ll state it again for anyone reading this thread, trying to decide if this is a worthy use of your energy if you’re struggling to get full catalysts - if you’re are not in a group running some map on ANY level 5 days a week in a row, your best path would be to join one. With the new peak milestones they just introduced, the glory rewards got a big buff on every level. You’ll get fragment crystals and you can use glory instead of spending your quest energy here for the exact same yield. We all came up in this game and had the same bottleneck of resources and had to scrape them together, but the game has actually given you some really useful outlets to earn them on a regular basis while obtaining a ton of others at the same time. By doing this quest, you’re only getting this small fraction of one at a time and it would take you half a year to build just one - you’ll need THREE to rank even a 4 star champ.
Don’t let someone derail this thread saying they only want to be useful and helpful when it’s clear they can’t even help themselves. Tons of groups are recruiting and need players, and it’s worth it. Use your energy in the monthly quest or story, the rewards are worth it.
Fyi, I think I really like @Nick_Caine_32 LOL
Says everything I wanna say, only smarter lol
Instead, you’re suggesting waiting months and months (takes 24 months to earn 1 of each class cat this way) and pretty much using your entire daily energy on top of that? Seems like, in your scenario it’s going to take time regardless, but yours is less effective. I get a couple a month just for being in an ally and then I still get to use my energy for progression.
Do as you please, doesn’t impact me.
But also says...
I never suggested anything. I was explaining the ways people can make use of it because the argument was that it wasn't worth it.
I said people can top one off, work towards a Class they need, or do it proactively. Whether they want to or not is up to them. I said some people DO have a need for it. That doesn't center around the people who don't need it as much, and from what I can see, that's where the majority of arguments are coming from. People who aren't short on Cats and Frags.
I think most of us are on board with this. It’s just not a daily thing that should be recommended by anyone as a means to earn a full cat.
I know you're on mine! The only one to be honest...
Putting any emotion aside, looking scientifically at the numbers alone,
Each week, 1 class per week
.... Total energy = 136
.... Total T4cc fragments = 400 + 1000 + 50 + 100 = 1550
.... Total weeks to fully form a T4cc = 36000 / 1550 = 23.23 weeks
.... Total energy spent to form a T4cc = 136 x 23.23 = 3159 energy
.... Total units for energy refill equivalent = 3159 / 70 * 30 = 1353 units
.... Total time to fight 2 paths per day = assuming 15 min (assuming no heating issue or lagging)
.... Total time in fighting to get 1 T4cc = 15min x 23.23 = 348.45/60 = 5.8 hours
Well, taking 23+ weeks time span, using 5.8 hours in fight time, spending 3159 energy or 1353 units for refill, just to get 1 fully formed T4cc (good thing it is of choice) .... hmmmm ... I'm sure I will have better luck with Glory Crystal, Ascendant crystal or Map 5 crystals.
On the other hand, I may only play it once in a blue moon, in a specific situation, say if I'm only short of 900 fragments to get enough T4cc for my 4* upgrade to R5, or for my 5* upgrade to R3 or R4 and I'm rushing to upgrade before my T1a or T2a or T4b are expiring, then yes I'll probably go ahead (assuming I'm on the right day of the specific class) to do both path only on that specific occasion.
Still, good effort to introduce this new quest, but like OP clearly stated, "but again you are in it for yourself". Thanks, but no thanks.