IMIW armor up while armor shattered

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  • OrdalcaOrdalca Posts: 545 ★★
    edited July 2018
    Voltolos wrote: »
    She affects Killmonger’s passive armor, why not IMIW?3s5qkrhbyt7y.gif

    She does
    Correction: Killmonger has an effect where he loses his abilities while suffering from Armor Break debuffs, including Armor Shatter. It's not Medusa who's removing it. Also, while the icon is the same, that's not Armor, but one of Killmonger's unique abilities.

    Regarding IMIW against Medusa, Armor Shatter does remove a single Armor, but as his armor is passive, Armor Shatter, which prevents buffs, does not prevent future armor passives from activating. The problem after that is that Armor Shatter prevents you from placing more armor breaks against him until the Armor Shatter is removed. You can still use her well against him if you don't place Armor Shatter.
  • Carmel1Carmel1 Posts: 403 ★★
    edited August 2018
    Dhorne61 wrote: »
    I think his armor up is a passive buff. So it can’t be removed.

    Yep, @Dhorne61 is correct; his Molecular Armors are Passive Effects, but Medusa's Armor Shattered prevents active Armor Buffs. Active Buffs, like Medusa's Fury Buffs, can be distinguished by the ring around their icon, but Passive Effects, like Molecular Armor, do not have those.

    copy paste from IMIW's spotlight (weaknesses):
    "Medusa is also a dependable hard counter for Iron Man (Infinity War). She’s able to break and shatter Molecular Armor which such a high frequency that a defending Iron Man (Infinity War) won’t be able to keep it active for any significant amount of time. When fighting against Medusa, it’s worth noting that Iron Man (Infinity War)’s Repulsor attacks won’t trigger the Stun from her auto-Blocked Parries."
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  • OrdalcaOrdalca Posts: 545 ★★
    Carmel1 wrote: »
    Dhorne61 wrote: »
    I think his armor up is a passive buff. So it can’t be removed.

    Yep, @Dhorne61 is correct; his Molecular Armors are Passive Effects, but Medusa's Armor Shattered prevents active Armor Buffs. Active Buffs, like Medusa's Fury Buffs, can be distinguished by the ring around their icon, but Passive Effects, like Molecular Armor, do not have those.

    copy paste from IMIW's spotlight (weaknesses):
    "Medusa is also a dependable hard counter for Iron Man (Infinity War). She’s able to break and shatter Molecular Armor which such a high frequency that a defending Iron Man (Infinity War) won’t be able to keep it active for any significant amount of time. When fighting against Medusa, it’s worth noting that Iron Man (Infinity War)’s Repulsor attacks won’t trigger the Stun from her auto-Blocked Parries."

    Ok, and where in that spotlight does it say her Armor Shatter prevents him from getting more armor? The armor that is there gets removed when she armor breaks or shatters it, just like the spotlight says.
  • _Kill_Switch__Kill_Switch_ Posts: 232 ★★
    Patchie93 wrote: »
    EvilRazor wrote: »
    If armor shattered is not effective against Iron Man IW passive armor to prevent new armor to active, so why do you have this in the Champion Spotlight?

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    Description forces deception in this case @Kabam Zibiit
    Please bring this to the team

    LOL seriously? Can we get a moderator to comment on this? Or if the official Kabam character descriptions we've used for years are suddenly not trustworthy, at least a heads up on that? You LITERALLY SAY in the official description she is a good counter and it affects molecular armor. And please, let's let a mod respond and not someone on here who thinks they are one.

    It says she can break and shatter armor not allowing him to keep his armors up for a long time. Not that it stops his armor ups from happening. So in fact she is doing as they said she would consistantly break his armor

    That means there is no difference between armor break and armor shatter to IMIW... which is stupid and defeats the purpose of armor shatter.
  • Icecold2099Icecold2099 Posts: 577 ★★★
    It states she can "shatter" his armor.

    This is false since armor shatter has ZERO effect on him. Armor break and armor shatter are two separate things. If you read the description of armor shatter it states when activated opponents cannot activate their armor buffs. It does not specify active armor buffs. It specifies armor buffs in general.

    Add that to kabam saying his armor can be shattered and you have a situation where we're being led to believ something that is untrue.

    The only thing armor shatter does when applied to IMIW is prevent any possible armor breaks while it's active.

    I don't care that it doesn't work, now that I know I can avoid getting in that situation, but he should be immine to armor shatter so that it doesn't apply at all, and you can continue to break his armor. Or it should prevent any power gain like it does for robot champs.
  • mostlyharmlessnmostlyharmlessn Posts: 858 ★★★
    edited July 2018
    <sarcasm> I'm sure they will fix this by updating Medusa's description to make it clear that Armor Shatter won't be effective against champs with passive armor at some point. </sarcasm>
  • You are now making up excuses.
    While I agree that the spotlight may have something that might mislead the player, it isn't completely false information.

    And again, stop with the "passive buffs" thing. That doesn't exist, and is like saying that an active ability is a passive ability too.
    IW IM has armor up passives. Not "armor up buffs" or "passive armor buffs".
    Medusa ability clearly states that she avoids armor up BUFFS. Meaning, she doesn't avoid armor up passives. So why is she able to armor break an armor up passive? Because it is part of IW IM abilities, and it is also stated in there.
    And this isn't even the first example in the game. If you didn't noticed the other passive armor's in the game that aren't avoided by armor shattered then that's kinda your mistake.
  • @will-o-wisp

    Who exactly is making excuses?
    Who ever said passive armor buffs?

    Also I'm not entire sure what abilities of Mudusa you are reading that state she "avoids armor up BUFFS." Medusa doesn't "avoid" anything...she BREAKS things. What things, you ask? Armor.

    If you're gonna post all high and mighty about what one thing is called, make sure you know what something else is that you refer to in the same post.

    Read the other posts then. A lot of people sare saying "passive armor buffs". You just need to read the posts, simple as ot is.
    And yes she avoids armor up buffs when she applies armor shattered. She only breaks armor up buffs when she applies an armor break debuff
  • To be fair, Medusa's description of Armor Shattered does say "While Armor Shattered is active, opponents cannot suffer from further Armor Breaks nor activate their Armor Buffs", so it does clarify in her description that they are referring specifically to buffs, which are not a passive effect
  • HarpsHarps Posts: 33
    IM IW is just a cash cow, he will be "fixed" after its run its course. countering his heavy attack with a heavy attack is just cheap AF! not to mention the other BS happening at the same time.
  • Icecold2099Icecold2099 Posts: 577 ★★★
    @will-o-wisp

    I stand corrected....lol

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  • Zuko_ILCZuko_ILC Posts: 1,207 ★★★★
    Passive buffs are the new workarounds for us not using units.
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    This new passive thing is the most annoying thing ever. I have skills and can work around it but adding passive buffs to a champ is like nerfing champs.

    For example. A passive armor means nerfing the armor break champs.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 959 ★★★
    edited August 2018
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    This new passive thing is the most annoying thing ever. I have skills and can work around it but adding passive buffs to a champ is like nerfing champs.

    For example. A passive armor means nerfing the armor break champs.

    Wrong. Every passive armor effect currently in the game can still be broken by armor break. Edit: If the effect is part of the champs abilities. Node armor can not always be broken
  • CapWW2 wrote: »
    This new passive thing is the most annoying thing ever. I have skills and can work around it but adding passive buffs to a champ is like nerfing champs.

    For example. A passive armor means nerfing the armor break champs.

    Passive things exist since the beginning of the game and is nothing new. And they aren't "passive buffs" once again.
    Is not nerfing anyone. Is just adding more abilities to the game. Even before IW IM introduction in the game, armor breaks weren't able to remove armor passives from the opponent
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    Yeah right. Remember those challenges when kabam started with buffs in parenthesis. Lame.
  • EvilEmpireEvilEmpire Posts: 639 ★★★
    To summarize. Should armour shatter prevent further armours from IWIM, yes it should. It doesn’t and imo that was a miss by the game team because it would encourage organic diversity and players would use more Medusa on attack and not just flood the defence with them. She’s had her day and in addition to the special armour that now exists a flood of true strike champs are here to put this miserable ginger out of her misery. Mcoc circle of life.
  • EvilRazorEvilRazor Posts: 143
    You are now making up excuses.
    While I agree that the spotlight may have something that might mislead the player, it isn't completely false information.

    And again, stop with the "passive buffs" thing. That doesn't exist, and is like saying that an active ability is a passive ability too.
    IW IM has armor up passives. Not "armor up buffs" or "passive armor buffs".
    Medusa ability clearly states that she avoids armor up BUFFS. Meaning, she doesn't avoid armor up passives. So why is she able to armor break an armor up passive? Because it is part of IW IM abilities, and it is also stated in there.
    And this isn't even the first example in the game. If you didn't noticed the other passive armor's in the game that aren't avoided by armor shattered then that's kinda your mistake.

    This is in Changelog
    Active buffs and active debuffs
    Passive buffs and Passive debuffs
    They exist

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  • EvilRazorEvilRazor Posts: 143
    edited August 2018
    With all this conversation we have two possible situations here:

    1. It's a bug in the interaction between Armor shattered and Molecular armor - because the Medusa's description says "While Armor Shattered is active, opponents cannot suffer from further Armor Breaks nor activate their Armor Buffs" and so the descriptions of Iron Man IW confirm, as the weaknesses info also say.
    or
    2. Kabam has designed Iron Man Molecular Armor that way it is working, then Armor Shattered is not effective counter to his Armors effects, because he can keep gainning armor after Medusa inflict Armor Shattered and because armor effects are unique and passive effects, and Medusa can only shatter active buffs, that is working as intended.

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    Kabam team, please give us a clear answer on this
    @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Vydious
  • ImranImran Posts: 537 ★★★
    This is kabam way of limiting our old champs.
  • ImranImran Posts: 537 ★★★
    This is kabam way of limiting our old champs.
  • CateatswhalesCateatswhales Posts: 112
    So 100% in kabam world isnt actually 100% in real world....
  • Slux83Slux83 Posts: 357 ★★
    I need to watch it closely because this is totally fun! You can break Killmonger passive armor but not the molecular! Totally makes sense in Kabam's world
  • CometEarthCometEarth Posts: 59
    Maybe they dont want to say anything until IM iW is out of the featured then they will say its a bug and fix it even through they said its work as intented .Its not like it hasnt been done before.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 959 ★★★
    Slux83 wrote: »
    I need to watch it closely because this is totally fun! You can break Killmonger passive armor but not the molecular! Totally makes sense in Kabam's world

    You can break molecular armor
  • BigDaddyJoeBigDaddyJoe Posts: 357 ★★
    edited August 2018
    EvilRazor wrote: »
    With all this conversation we have two possible situations here:

    1. It's a bug in the interaction between Armor shattered and Molecular armor - because the Medusa's description says "While Armor Shattered is active, opponents cannot suffer from further Armor Breaks nor activate their Armor Buffs" and so the descriptions of Iron Man IW confirm, as the weaknesses info also say.
    or
    2. Kabam has designed Iron Man Molecular Armor that way it is working, then Armor Shattered is not effective counter to his Armors effects, because he can keep gainning armor after Medusa inflict Armor Shattered and because armor effects are unique and passive effects, and Medusa can only shatter active buffs, that is working as intended.

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    Kabam team, please give us a clear answer on this
    @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Vydious

    Why hasn’t this been addressed
  • EvilRazorEvilRazor Posts: 143
    Voltolos wrote: »
    Slux83 wrote: »
    I need to watch it closely because this is totally fun! You can break Killmonger passive armor but not the molecular! Totally makes sense in Kabam's world

    You can break molecular armor

    You can break Molecular Armor, that's right.
    But only with Medusa you can also Apply Armor Shattered, and after shattered IM IW can keep gaining armors and Medusa can't break armor anymore when a Armor Shattered is actived. Even said Medusa's description that opponents can not active their armor buffs when a armor shattered is actived. @Kabam Zibiit has told in this discussion the IW armors are Passive Effects and Medusa's can only prevent active armor buffs.
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