15.0 Alliance Wars Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

Our 15.0 Update is just about a week away, and with it, it's bringing a huge change to Alliance Wars! Check out everything you need to know about the Brand New Map, Scoring Changes, and new boosts in the Loyalty Store here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/17902/15-0-alliance-wars-update/

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SpiritOfVengeance

Just give us an increase in rewards lol it aint that hard

LilWolfy

With the introduction of five mini bosses, will they be dulled down somewhat as a fight even if marginally, as 5 fights the same effect as the previous 3 is just unfair .

Badrose

Portals? Really? I LOL now before crying after, when I'll see players making mistakes...

Noob_2yrs

Mini bosses increase and harder maps but no rewards increase, what a joke

Kabam Miike

NemesisThantos wrote: »

I like how Kabam Miike is ignoring the main point of the posts he is quoting. Removing defender kills makes them more $$$, plain and simple. Just admit it

We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

Mana_Pot

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

OnlyOneAboveAll

So does this mean I can bring my Joe Fix It, Iron Patriot or Kamala Khan for attack and they'll be just as effective? Cause being limited on what attackers you bring due to their ineffectiveness has always been my biggest problem with War. People using the same handful of attackers gets boring. I for one have like 70 four star champs and would like to utilize them more. I use the same 10 champs for everything and the rest just taking up space.

OnlyOneAboveAll

Jackie2Cokes

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Jackie2Cokes wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Amonthir wrote: »

Another edit! You specifically mentioned Increased Energy Damage nodes. Please define what will count in that case. Is it attacks only (IM L2, for instance)? Or will it boost damage from Limbo and Coldsnap?

So, this one is a "little from Column A, a little from Column B" situation. Enhanced Energy nodes are only effective on Hit, but also affect anything caused by that hit. So the Coldsnap applied from Iceman's Special 1 will be stronger, but the Coldsnap that begins at the start of a fight with an Awakened Iceman will not.

Limbo shouldn't be affected at all.

LOL!!! What this means is that you haven't tested the two most powerful energy damage champs in the game yet to see if they're affected by your new update?

I'm sorry, but I don't get what you mean. We just told you how Enhanced Energy affects these two Champions.

You stated that Limbo "shouldn't" be affected...that's not "limbo WILL NOT be affected". You're leaving a hanging chad out there in the event the devs cannot get it to act properly. Creating yet another "working as intended" situation.

Also, the Coldsnap is a debuff placed on the opponent as the result of a hit...the Coldsnap is not a "hit" in itself and should not be affect by an increased energy node.

Do you now get what I mean?

mostlyharmlessn

But what about the detect masteries... they have now been rendered pointless

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Eb0ny-O-M4w

The biggest mistake here are the 5 mini-bosses and no defender's kill points.
What's the reason for this? Will the mini-bosses be easier than what they are now?
And by not getting any defender's kill points, item usage in AW should be removed

RehctansBew

That’s not all though, we’re also making a major change to a scoring method that you’re all used to. We’re now removing points for received for Defender Kills, and increasing the points received for Attacker Kills! The goal of this change was to encourage Summoners with every fight to continue their assault on the opposing Alliance, without having to worry about giving them more points, and to avoid that feeling of defeat after only trying one fight and being beaten.

This just made me laugh. I needed a good laugh today.

Kabam Miike

Noob_2yrs wrote: »

Mini bosses increase and harder maps but no rewards increase, what a joke

We didn't say it's harder! We've made a bunch of adjustments that should actually make it easier, like the total removal of Slashed Tires and Thorns.

Acanthus

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NemesisThantos wrote: »

I like how Kabam Miike is ignoring the main point of the posts he is quoting. Removing defender kills makes them more $$$, plain and simple. Just admit it

We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

It doesn't matter what your "goal" was, we're telling you how it's gonna be. How am I supposed to beat an alliance with higher defender rating that will spend to 100% the map? It's impossible, even if we 100% aswell with 100 deaths while they do it in 300, they'll win purely by defender rating. You've removed all the skill involved in AWs

Jackie2Cokes

Kabam Miike wrote: »

TheBaldAvenger wrote: »

Can you explain the logic begind temp reducing energy cost for Act 4 to go along with this? Can't work out why this is done and included in AW update post?

It's just something to do while Alliance Wars are down for an extended period. It won't be something for everybody, but if you haven't 100% Explored Act 4 yet, it's a good time!

Wouldn't Act 5 also be something to do while AW is down??? Why is that still 3 energy?

Blackhawkbill

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

GREAT! 5 minis with the same 3 attackers on a much bigger map, means more revives needed! No defender kill points! BIG SPENDERS WIN EVERY WAR!!! FUNNN!!!!!

Bigger map doesn't mean that you'll be having more fights. There will be just as many Defenders as there were before.

ok, just as many defenders. But defender kills, in combo with 5 mini bosses means $$ wins every war. No more skill. Good job killing wars.

The amount of items that any user can use remains the same, so every Alliance Member can still only Revive/Heal 15 times. This hasn't changed. Additionally, 5 Minibosses doesn't mean that any one person will be taking on more than 1.

The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

Fml Mike....just stop it already....it's shameful to even attempt to portray that THAT was the reason for removing defender kill points...to remotely try and actually do anything meaningful for the playerbase lol!

This whole thing just screams moneygrab....to no surprise sadly.

And to make the map bigger, have more sub bosses and to not spice up rewards doesnt make ANY sense. And lastly you announce one of the big goals was to "change diversity of defense champs"... but mention the points offered for said diversity "won't be that many points and is more for tiebreaking"? Seriously? Lol.....heads up...people dont give a **** about that....so now not only will we see the same amount of Dorm's, Magik's, ect.....we'll see more....stellar job as always gameteam!!!

NevvB

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Noob_2yrs wrote: »

Mini bosses increase and harder maps but no rewards increase, what a joke

We didn't say it's harder! We've made a bunch of adjustments that should actually make it easier, like the total removal of Slashed Tires and Thorns.

Those nodes don't even affect the minibosses...

Kabam Miike

Jackie2Cokes wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Jackie2Cokes wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Amonthir wrote: »

Another edit! You specifically mentioned Increased Energy Damage nodes. Please define what will count in that case. Is it attacks only (IM L2, for instance)? Or will it boost damage from Limbo and Coldsnap?

So, this one is a "little from Column A, a little from Column B" situation. Enhanced Energy nodes are only effective on Hit, but also affect anything caused by that hit. So the Coldsnap applied from Iceman's Special 1 will be stronger, but the Coldsnap that begins at the start of a fight with an Awakened Iceman will not.

Limbo shouldn't be affected at all.

LOL!!! What this means is that you haven't tested the two most powerful energy damage champs in the game yet to see if they're affected by your new update?

I'm sorry, but I don't get what you mean. We just told you how Enhanced Energy affects these two Champions.

You stated that Limbo "shouldn't" be affected...that's not "limbo WILL NOT be affected". You're leaving a hanging chad out there in the event the devs cannot get it to act properly. Creating yet another "working as intended" situation.

Also, the Coldsnap is a debuff placed on the opponent as the result of a hit...the Coldsnap is not a "hit" in itself and should not be affect by an increased energy node.

Do you now get what I mean?

Limbo is not affected, but a debuff placed on the opponent by a hit is affected. Not just Coldsnap, but any Debuff that deals energy damage that is caused by a hit will be affected.

GroundedWisdom

Well, personally I'm excited for the idea. Less Energy wait times, new Map, more points for Attack Kills. Portals will be interesting. I'm open to change. It will take some getting used to, but anything new does.

Crammer2020

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NemesisThantos wrote: »

I like how Kabam Miike is ignoring the main point of the posts he is quoting. Removing defender kills makes them more $$$, plain and simple. Just admit it

We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

Relieve the feeling of defeat??? LMAO if you get knocked out you shouldn't feel defeat???? What is the point of wars if losing shouldnt make you feel defeated?? If this is the mentality, then the winning alliance and the losing alliance should receive the same rewards! Why should the al\losing alliance feel defeat if they lost?? Cmon this is a load of garbage.

bradshaw1984

This is a new brazen approach from kabam. Usually when they make an outfront attempt siphon our wallets they try and throw in a positive caveat, often updated rewards...but so far as I can tell the only caveat to counter the wallet molestation is the fact that this is "different"...same amount of defenders, bigger map seemingly for no reason, more bosses, more reasons to spend, but yay "different". Lucky us.

DD2

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NemesisThantos wrote: »

I like how Kabam Miike is ignoring the main point of the posts he is quoting. Removing defender kills makes them more $$$, plain and simple. Just admit it

We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

Miike, please stop treating us like we're 5 years old. You can talk about Kabam's intentions all you like, but in practice, it's going to be pay to win. Congrats, you just destroyed any shred of integrity alliance wars had left.

SubTypical

So, did this new AW map/nodes go through the "new" beta program you guys put into place after 12.0? Not that we're skeptical or anything. Well, actually we are...

Kabam Miike

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

GbSarkar

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Noob_2yrs wrote: »

Mini bosses increase and harder maps but no rewards increase, what a joke

We didn't say it's harder! We've made a bunch of adjustments that should actually make it easier, like the total removal of Slashed Tires and Thorns.

True that! The removal of 1 slashed tire node makes it sooo much more easier!

Mcord11758

This couldn't be more transparent

Jerzy

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Amonthir wrote: »

Limbo shouldn't be affected at all.[/color]

Limbo shouldn't be affected or limbo WON'T be affected.
Would really appreciate a clear answer on this.

Spidey076

Ok now the thing bothering all of us players are in higher tier aw where already magik as 3 mini boss and one boss with md 5/5 kick the butt of even experience player now they have to face 6 magik now?in 4 boss we already have difficulty to defeat the magik bcz of his limbo way too op and that's just ridiculous.
More mini means more magik and more magik means atleast 2 player on that path to defeat them that means player have to forget exploration.
Now tell me any answer about that @Kabam Miike which every player really want.

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