15.0 Alliance Wars Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

Our 15.0 Update is just about a week away, and with it, it's bringing a huge change to Alliance Wars! Check out everything you need to know about the Brand New Map, Scoring Changes, and new boosts in the Loyalty Store here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/17902/15-0-alliance-wars-update/

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SubTypical

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

How's that discussion going? Still no news on this? You mean this wasn't thought of ahead of time, with all your testing you guys do? I'm shocked!

World Eater

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

GREAT! 5 minis with the same 3 attackers on a much bigger map, means more revives needed! No defender kill points! BIG SPENDERS WIN EVERY WAR!!! FUNNN!!!!!

Bigger map doesn't mean that you'll be having more fights. There will be just as many Defenders as there were before.

ok, just as many defenders. But defender kills, in combo with 5 mini bosses means $$ wins every war. No more skill. Good job killing wars.

The amount of items that any user can use remains the same, so every Alliance Member can still only Revive/Heal 15 times. This hasn't changed. Additionally, 5 Minibosses doesn't mean that any one person will be taking on more than 1.

The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

Im feeling defeated by game lag that has plagued the contest for 2 years and the AI Evade-Attack bug that Kabam hasn't been able to fix for over 1 year. Will this spur Kabam into action?

Marzipan87

Did you reset the AW Rating ?

World Eater

Acanthus wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NemesisThantos wrote: »

I like how Kabam Miike is ignoring the main point of the posts he is quoting. Removing defender kills makes them more $$$, plain and simple. Just admit it

We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

It doesn't matter what your "goal" was, we're telling you how it's gonna be. How am I supposed to beat an alliance with higher defender rating that will spend to 100% the map? It's impossible, even if we 100% aswell with 100 deaths while they do it in 300, they'll win purely by defender rating. You've removed all the skill involved in AWs

Perfectly said

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Well, personally I'm excited for the idea. Less Energy wait times, new Map, more points for Attack Kills. Portals will be interesting. I'm open to change. It will take some getting used to, but anything new does.

Portals are far from interesting and really don't serve any purpose.

Lord_Shaedow

Kabam Miike wrote: »

TheBaldAvenger wrote: »

Can you explain the logic begind temp reducing energy cost for Act 4 to go along with this? Can't work out why this is done and included in AW update post?

It's just something to do while Alliance Wars are down for an extended period. It won't be something for everybody, but if you haven't 100% Explored Act 4 yet, it's a good time!

As someone who was JUST working on Exploring Act 4 100% this change came at the perfect time.

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JM_88

Hey @Kabam Miike instead of freaking out about something that I haven't seen and have no idea how it's going to function, I'm going to wait and see how it actually plays. And then I'm going to freak out. That is all.

G-Hun-Gear

Sorry, if I missed it...

But do we already know, when the next AQ will start? 29 August (normal schedule) or 27 August (as said in the AW announcement post)?

Thanks!

HoidCosmere

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

How about just giving us a week of free masteries like you have done in the past. This way we can reset the masteries to reflect the changes in war without killing us in resource use. Thanks.

HoidCosmere

GbSarkar wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Noob_2yrs wrote: »

Mini bosses increase and harder maps but no rewards increase, what a joke

We didn't say it's harder! We've made a bunch of adjustments that should actually make it easier, like the total removal of Slashed Tires and Thorns.

True that! The removal of 1 slashed tire node makes it sooo much more easier!

While having 5 mini-bosses makes it harder to get to the boss, maybe the boss becomes much easier once all 5 nodes are off of him. Maybe the 2 extra nodes will take off checkmate and stun immunity as well.

Omni

SubTypical wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

How's that discussion going? Still no news on this? You mean this wasn't thought of ahead of time, with all your testing you guys do? I'm shocked!

They stayed in the office over night, still discussing with the pizza and maple syrup they are expensing under "14.1 bugs fund"

HoidCosmere

Oneslydogg wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

The fact that it took a post in this thread for your "team" to even realize this is the most troubling thing I've read so far.

Wish I could, Agree, Like and LOL this all at the same time.

SubTypical

Omni wrote: »

SubTypical wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

How's that discussion going? Still no news on this? You mean this wasn't thought of ahead of time, with all your testing you guys do? I'm shocked!

They stayed in the office over night, still discussing with the pizza and maple syrup they are expensing under "14.1 bugs fund"

I didn't see maple syrup, but they do at least have a wall of candy: http://vanmag.com/city/cool-workspace-inside-the-kabam-vancouver-office/

Onyxgem

I am sorry but these changes, especially that defender kills now don't get you any points is BEYOND STUPID and making AW nothing more than PAY TO FREEKING WIN! Come on Kabam use some common sense already!!!!

Brandonius

Wtf is everyone whining about? Wars have ALWAYS been a cash cow and about getting us to spend to win. And it worked. You all have reinforced this by doing exactly what Kabam wanted. You spend to win.

Kabam is merely making spending to win even easier. They know exactly what they are doing.

Sparhauk

NevvB wrote: »

Why dont we get defender kill points anymore? This will benefit spending alliances cause they dont have to worry about giving up points for every death.
We have won a few wars because of defender kills and now you've made it harder for non spenders vs. spenders.
You've made aw less about skill and more about who will spend.

OF COURSE they've made it more favorable for their cash cows! Who do you think they work for?

Tulkas97

I broke down and made a forum account to voice my concern over the removal of defender kills points. This change is going to remove the skill aspect of AW. I've lost track of the number of AWs my alliance has won because we fought better/more efficient than our opponent. I'll give you a recent example. We got 86.2% exploration and our opponent spent their way to 100%. Both got boss kills. However my alliance got KO'd 25 times and our opponents got KO'd 77 times. We won due to defender kill points. Under the new rules the other alliance wins simply because they spent more items despite the fact they fought poorly.

Vdh2008

I'm not going to get into AW, because I agree with 99.9% of the voices here regarding the changes you're planning, but seeing as this seems to serve as the 15.0 change-log thread as well, I need to voice my concern over the fact that my OG Vision is still bugged.

I could care less about AOU Vision, personally. I have him as arena fodder, but I spent real damn money, and plenty of it for this EXCLUSIVE champ only available via a massive amount of units. This type of issue should be Priority 1.

At this point, I spent almost $200 CAD on a champ that's broken. This needs to be addressed ASAP.

TheOneAndOnly

SubTypical wrote: »

Omni wrote: »

SubTypical wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

How's that discussion going? Still no news on this? You mean this wasn't thought of ahead of time, with all your testing you guys do? I'm shocked!

They stayed in the office over night, still discussing with the pizza and maple syrup they are expensing under "14.1 bugs fund"

I didn't see maple syrup, but they do at least have a wall of candy: http://vanmag.com/city/cool-workspace-inside-the-kabam-vancouver-office/

CANDY WALL?!?!?

WTF, I want in on that.

Jon8299

TheOneAndOnly wrote: »

SubTypical wrote: »

Omni wrote: »

SubTypical wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

I am curious about the detect masteries now that its been brought up. This does make them completely useless. AQ has maps out there that list all of the opponents on what nodes. AW was the only place with variety (sorta) that they could be used. Can anyone tell me a purpose for them now that I may be missing?

This is something that I raised with the team, and they are discussing the situation now.

How's that discussion going? Still no news on this? You mean this wasn't thought of ahead of time, with all your testing you guys do? I'm shocked!

They stayed in the office over night, still discussing with the pizza and maple syrup they are expensing under "14.1 bugs fund"

I didn't see maple syrup, but they do at least have a wall of candy: http://vanmag.com/city/cool-workspace-inside-the-kabam-vancouver-office/

CANDY WALL?!?!?

WTF, I want in on that.

Maybe that's why bugs take so long to fix. Distracted by all that candy.

Greywarden

@Kabam Miike Without defender kills you can simply pause every fight and totally game the healing you get with Iron Man, Superior Iron Man and Ultron as attempts are basically unlimited with those champs.

What exactly deters people from bringing Iron Man, Superior Iron Man and Ultron to attack every time? Doesn't seem very diverse to me.

Brandonius

Greywarden wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Without defender kills you can simply pause every fight and totally game the healing you get with Iron Man, Superior Iron Man and Ultron as attempts are basically unlimited with those champs.

What exactly deters people from bringing Iron Man, Superior Iron Man and Ultron to attack every time? Doesn't seem very diverse to me.

The assassin mastery is why you cannot rely on overload for SIM and Ironman.

Ultron would be safe but he hits like a wet paper bag.

Greywarden

Brandonius wrote: »

Greywarden wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Without defender kills you can simply pause every fight and totally game the healing you get with Iron Man, Superior Iron Man and Ultron as attempts are basically unlimited with those champs.

What exactly deters people from bringing Iron Man, Superior Iron Man and Ultron to attack every time? Doesn't seem very diverse to me.

The assassin mastery is why you cannot rely on overload for SIM and Ironman.

Ultron would be safe but he hits like a wet paper bag.

Good point on assassin mastery although it isn't a guarantee, just a chance that it won't proc.
Regarding Ultron, what does it matter how hard he hits if you can use him endlessly with no penalty.

Brandonius

With Ultron it is more likely to time out and be below 25%, but fair point.

With Assassin, the text says 20% but I find it to stop his overload almost every time so I stopped using him for wars. Kinda like Black Widow’s 5% or 3% chance to evade and she evades like a dozen times in fights that only last 40 hits. Or AV who causes bleed against me every time he lands an SP1, but almost never bleeds when I use him as an attacker. Their numbers are inconsistent

Zeke_the_Xbot

Alliance War update Swing and Miss
6* Champion Announcement Swing and a Miss..
what comes next might determine how much longer this game holds on to its life line. After all 3 Strikes and you are out.

vikky89

Brandonius wrote: »

With Ultron it is more likely to time out and be below 25%, but fair point.

With Assassin, the text says 20% but I find it to stop his overload almost every time so I stopped using him for wars. Kinda like Black Widow’s 5% or 3% chance to evade and she evades like a dozen times in fights that only last 40 hits. Or AV who causes bleed against me every time he lands an SP1, but almost never bleeds when I use him as an attacker. Their numbers are inconsistent

ultron always regens for me atleast once at 50% or 25% where assassin doesnt kick in. Agree he doesnt hit hard but you can just timeout and retry countless times without defender kill pts. No skill there. Same with IM/SIM if low on health just hold block until u get their regen resume fight timeout n get back in. U can just keep trying. NO reward for skill/NO penalty for dying

IronicFist

Run477 wrote: »

BURHAN123 wrote: »

As a result of new update we want some rank down ticket to have a balance in game as new aq is coming .plz give some of them 4*&5* thx

I was wondering how long into this post before I had to read one of these.

My vote? No. Enjoy your 5* winter soldier and iron man. You shouldn't have wasted t2as on those champs to jump ahead in prestige and then, after u took advantage of the better rewards, get to undo them so u can use your gotten rewards to rank up better champs. You're just going to have to live with your choices until t2as are more accessible and you can rank up other champs. Rank down tickets should never have been introduced in the first place.

With no defender kill points, why would anyone NOT rank up Iron Man? His stock just went way up lol

Brandonius

vikky89 wrote: »

Brandonius wrote: »

With Ultron it is more likely to time out and be below 25%, but fair point.

With Assassin, the text says 20% but I find it to stop his overload almost every time so I stopped using him for wars. Kinda like Black Widow’s 5% or 3% chance to evade and she evades like a dozen times in fights that only last 40 hits. Or AV who causes bleed against me every time he lands an SP1, but almost never bleeds when I use him as an attacker. Their numbers are inconsistent

ultron always regens for me atleast once at 50% or 25% where assassin doesnt kick in. Agree he doesnt hit hard but you can just timeout and retry countless times without defender kill pts. No skill there. Same with IM/SIM if low on health just hold block until u get their regen resume fight timeout n get back in. U can just keep trying. NO reward for skill/NO penalty for dying

That is why I said Ultron could work since Assassin doesn’t kick in until 18%

TheOneAndOnly

Brandonius wrote: »

vikky89 wrote: »

Brandonius wrote: »

With Ultron it is more likely to time out and be below 25%, but fair point.

With Assassin, the text says 20% but I find it to stop his overload almost every time so I stopped using him for wars. Kinda like Black Widow’s 5% or 3% chance to evade and she evades like a dozen times in fights that only last 40 hits. Or AV who causes bleed against me every time he lands an SP1, but almost never bleeds when I use him as an attacker. Their numbers are inconsistent

ultron always regens for me atleast once at 50% or 25% where assassin doesnt kick in. Agree he doesnt hit hard but you can just timeout and retry countless times without defender kill pts. No skill there. Same with IM/SIM if low on health just hold block until u get their regen resume fight timeout n get back in. U can just keep trying. NO reward for skill/NO penalty for dying

That is why I said Ultron could work since Assassin doesn’t kick in until 18%

What if they add heal block nodes?

Run477

Guys, I figured it out! There must be people complaining to kabam about being kicked from their alliances for not being good. This is to help those people, I guess. That's the only rational explanation that makes sense at this point if you don't consider the obvious cash grab it is.

The next thing we will see is getting rid of the item cap bc, you have now revived 10 times and have used 5 team healths, but you have "perfectly good [money that can still be charged on your credit card to buy more units and get more items)]." That change will be "to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking [30] shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other alliance" because you can't revive anymore. Brilliant!