AW Defense nodes CHANGED between Placement and Attack!

SpoonmanaronSpoonmanaron Member Posts: 39 ★
in Bugs and Known Issues
During AW placement, tier 4 nodes were shown for defense. Therefore, we placed champs for TIER 4 nodes. War started a few hours ago, and now we are playing a TIER 3 map with TIER 3 nodes! It's evident that this is a big disadvantage for us in placement.

Additionally, the multiplier shown for us is TIER 4 and the oppponent is 200 rating above us. Let me be clear, the overiding issue is not being "paired up" to a tougher alliance, that's a separate unfair issue. The issue here is the unfairness of pre-war nodes not matching up to actual war nodes as well as us getting a lower multiplier that does not match the difficulty of the war we are forced to fight (defensively and offensively). We should be rewarded for the difficulty of what actual AW we are faced with as well as fairness on being able to set our defense in a way that actually reflects the war we fight versus node changes between placement and attack phase.

Mods, please help! Thanks,

Comments

  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,452 ★★★★★
    This happens when you match with a ally that is a tier higher and when nodes changes are involved. Matchmaking does a coin flip and decides which map version to use. You could end up with tier 4 or 3 map variations. Multipliers never change.
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  • SiriusBreakSiriusBreak Member, Guardian Posts: 2,156 Guardian
    @Spoonmanaron question, did you see 'Challenger' above each BG? We got matched for 'Expert' in T4 in the 2nd war. We knew we were in Expert despite the fact our multiplier was for Challenger. Which is very irritating as we won the war, in Expert, and didn't get the t3 multiplier. I don't particularly agree with being stuck in the hardest map and not getting the multiplier to match. It's something that should have attention paid. This does happen, and it's quite frustrating when it does.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,452 ★★★★★
    Spoonmanaron said:

    The fact that it has been happening, doesn't make it right. Having the node coin flip before placement makes waaaay more sense so we can properly set defense. Otherwise it's an unfair war

    Well, its been this way since war tiering has been a thing. Its how matchmaking works.
  • SmashSmash Member Posts: 808 ★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    Spoonmanaron said:

    The fact that it has been happening, doesn't make it right. Having the node coin flip before placement makes waaaay more sense so we can properly set defense. Otherwise it's an unfair war

    Well, its been this way since war tiering has been a thing. Its how matchmaking works.
    And that makes it right?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,452 ★★★★★
    Smash said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Spoonmanaron said:

    The fact that it has been happening, doesn't make it right. Having the node coin flip before placement makes waaaay more sense so we can properly set defense. Otherwise it's an unfair war

    Well, its been this way since war tiering has been a thing. Its how matchmaking works.
    And that makes it right?
    Well if the rule was set in place in the very beginning and has worked that way for the past 15 seasons, I'd say yes that makes it right. Do you have to like it? Nope. If you're tier 4, you should be prepared for the possibility of a tier 3 node war. Especially the closer you get to the top of tier 4.
  • SmashSmash Member Posts: 808 ★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    Smash said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Spoonmanaron said:

    The fact that it has been happening, doesn't make it right. Having the node coin flip before placement makes waaaay more sense so we can properly set defense. Otherwise it's an unfair war

    Well, its been this way since war tiering has been a thing. Its how matchmaking works.
    And that makes it right?
    Well if the rule was set in place in the very beginning and has worked that way for the past 15 seasons, I'd say yes that makes it right. Do you have to like it? Nope. If you're tier 4, you should be prepared for the possibility of a tier 3 node war. Especially the closer you get to the top of tier 4.
    So corrections shouldn’t happen if it’s going on for a while? Is that what you’re saying? If something is not right then it’s not right no matter 15 seasons or just one. Being blindsided like that after placement is not right. It can be determined what tier the alliances are going to fight as soon as war is found. Doesn’t make it right to find out after the attack phase starts.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,452 ★★★★★
    Smash said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Smash said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Spoonmanaron said:

    The fact that it has been happening, doesn't make it right. Having the node coin flip before placement makes waaaay more sense so we can properly set defense. Otherwise it's an unfair war

    Well, its been this way since war tiering has been a thing. Its how matchmaking works.
    And that makes it right?
    Well if the rule was set in place in the very beginning and has worked that way for the past 15 seasons, I'd say yes that makes it right. Do you have to like it? Nope. If you're tier 4, you should be prepared for the possibility of a tier 3 node war. Especially the closer you get to the top of tier 4.
    So corrections shouldn’t happen if it’s going on for a while? Is that what you’re saying? If something is not right then it’s not right no matter 15 seasons or just one. Being blindsided like that after placement is not right. It can be determined what tier the alliances are going to fight as soon as war is found. Doesn’t make it right to find out after the attack phase starts.
    I'm not saying it shouldn't happen. I am saying that is what has been happening. That is the rule of matchmaking. There are several qualifications of matchmaking and that is one of them. It's not broken. It's not something that "isn't right". It's the way it's supposed to be. It's 100% working as intended.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 13,258 Guardian
    2 different issues, and I think people have only been replying about 1 of them (the 2nd one below...)

    ** But did you actually check the defensive Nodes when placing to see what it actually listed as the Node Buffs (for a representative sample to know what level of Map you were gonna play on ?? (or did you just ASSUME because you saw your Ally was listed as a Tier-4 Ally that that's what Map you would be playing on ?) If indeed you did verify during placement, and then somehow the Nodes changed upon Attack, then that would actually be a BUG.

    Other issue (many times commented on, including here) being the issue of difference in rewards for a cross-tier match not being the same for each side. Or that it is not at least make more clearly visible as to what Map you are on (and just wording it Challenger or Expert, etc on top of map could be much better worded to be like “Tier 4-6 Map” or “Tier 1-3 Map” instead of just the designated wording labels that aren’t really spelled out to reference to).
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