Diversity points

DarkestDestroyerDarkestDestroyer Member Posts: 2,887 ★★★★★
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Is there anything anywhere on diversity points and what champs get them? It sounds like putting a Luke Cage in will get more points than a Magik... is there a list anywhere that shows what points are attainable with this diversity thing?
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  • DarkestDestroyerDarkestDestroyer Member Posts: 2,887 ★★★★★
    What makes the defender unique though.... if your just getting a point for every champ why even add it in as a thing? You get points for placing defenders anyway don't you? Or did previously.

    @Kabam Miike help a brother out
  • WOKWOK Member Posts: 468 ★★
    Couldn't find any specifics in regards to the actual points gained/lost for defender diversity. Will the diversity points actually play a significant role compared to other criteria in the total points towards a victory or loss? Or will it merely be a cosmetic addition that can be disregarded without any "real" penalties incurred? For example, Team 1 disregards diversity and places majority of indentical champs, Team 2 places all different champs. Will the points gained for Team 2 be significant enough for Team 1to seriously consider their strategy to be detrimental torwards a victory or vice versa?
  • KingCrooksKingCrooks Member Posts: 176 ★
    Hopefully this means that you won't be running into an entire path of Nightcrawlers, or 5 Magiks as often!

    I think I love you. Lol
  • WorkingAsIntendedWorkingAsIntended Member Posts: 164 ★★
    This won't stop you from seeing tons of the best defenders lol this is just a stupid kabam unintelligent add on.
  • GabbrosGabbros Member Posts: 156
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Every champion is worth points, but placing multiple of them will not get you multiple points.

    Say you get 100 points for Each Champion, you placed 2 Magik, 2 Spiderman, and 1 Hyperion. You'll get points for 3 unique Champions.

    Now, say you placed 1 Magik, 1 Spiderman (Stark Enhanced), 1 Spiderman (Symbiote), 1 Storm, and 1 Hyperion, you'll get points for 5 unique Champions.

    But this doesn't only affect one player... It's across every player in every Battlegroup. That means that if your Alliance decides that every member will place an 1 Ultron, 1 Luke Cage, 1 Nightcrawler, 1 Guillotine, and 1 Civil Warrior, you only get Diversity points for 5 Champions. Because there aren't 150 unique Champions in the game, you won't be able to get diversity points for every Champion, but you can still get quite a bit by varying it up.

    Hopefully this means that you won't be running into an entire path of Nightcrawlers, or 5 Magiks as often!

    Mike, can u elaborate how all aw points will come out to be? Diversity point for each unique champ, exploration point per node, defender rating point, attacker point, etc if any...
  • 420sam420sam Member Posts: 526 ★★★
    Gabbros wrote: »
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Every champion is worth points, but placing multiple of them will not get you multiple points.

    Say you get 100 points for Each Champion, you placed 2 Magik, 2 Spiderman, and 1 Hyperion. You'll get points for 3 unique Champions.

    Now, say you placed 1 Magik, 1 Spiderman (Stark Enhanced), 1 Spiderman (Symbiote), 1 Storm, and 1 Hyperion, you'll get points for 5 unique Champions.

    But this doesn't only affect one player... It's across every player in every Battlegroup. That means that if your Alliance decides that every member will place an 1 Ultron, 1 Luke Cage, 1 Nightcrawler, 1 Guillotine, and 1 Civil Warrior, you only get Diversity points for 5 Champions. Because there aren't 150 unique Champions in the game, you won't be able to get diversity points for every Champion, but you can still get quite a bit by varying it up.

    Hopefully this means that you won't be running into an entire path of Nightcrawlers, or 5 Magiks as often!

    Mike, can u elaborate how all aw points will come out to be? Diversity point for each unique champ, exploration point per node, defender rating point, attacker point, etc if any...

    Exploration per node is 300 points if I remember correctly from the original post announcing the changes.
  • JaffacakedJaffacaked Member Posts: 1,415 ★★★★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Every champion is worth points, but placing multiple of them will not get you multiple points.

    Say you get 100 points for Each Champion, you placed 2 Magik, 2 Spiderman, and 1 Hyperion. You'll get points for 3 unique Champions.

    Now, say you placed 1 Magik, 1 Spiderman (Stark Enhanced), 1 Spiderman (Symbiote), 1 Storm, and 1 Hyperion, you'll get points for 5 unique Champions.

    But this doesn't only affect one player... It's across every player in every Battlegroup. That means that if your Alliance decides that every member will place an 1 Ultron, 1 Luke Cage, 1 Nightcrawler, 1 Guillotine, and 1 Civil Warrior, you only get Diversity points for 5 Champions. Because there aren't 150 unique Champions in the game, you won't be able to get diversity points for every Champion, but you can still get quite a bit by varying it up.

    Hopefully this means that you won't be running into an entire path of Nightcrawlers, or 5 Magiks as often!

    Not going to make a difference, it's still going to be. Better to place good defenders an watch the kills roll in rather than place unique Ines just for some measly points.
  • Husky54Husky54 Member Posts: 244 ★★
    Jaffacaked wrote: »
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Every champion is worth points, but placing multiple of them will not get you multiple points.

    Say you get 100 points for Each Champion, you placed 2 Magik, 2 Spiderman, and 1 Hyperion. You'll get points for 3 unique Champions.

    Now, say you placed 1 Magik, 1 Spiderman (Stark Enhanced), 1 Spiderman (Symbiote), 1 Storm, and 1 Hyperion, you'll get points for 5 unique Champions.

    But this doesn't only affect one player... It's across every player in every Battlegroup. That means that if your Alliance decides that every member will place an 1 Ultron, 1 Luke Cage, 1 Nightcrawler, 1 Guillotine, and 1 Civil Warrior, you only get Diversity points for 5 Champions. Because there aren't 150 unique Champions in the game, you won't be able to get diversity points for every Champion, but you can still get quite a bit by varying it up.

    Hopefully this means that you won't be running into an entire path of Nightcrawlers, or 5 Magiks as often!

    Not going to make a difference, it's still going to be. Better to place good defenders an watch the kills roll in rather than place unique Ines just for some measly points.

    Kills don't get you points anymore. They only slow down your opposition (or just cost them more $$).
  • Husky54Husky54 Member Posts: 244 ★★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Every champion is worth points, but placing multiple of them will not get you multiple points.

    Say you get 100 points for Each Champion, you placed 2 Magik, 2 Spiderman, and 1 Hyperion. You'll get points for 3 unique Champions.

    Now, say you placed 1 Magik, 1 Spiderman (Stark Enhanced), 1 Spiderman (Symbiote), 1 Storm, and 1 Hyperion, you'll get points for 5 unique Champions.

    But this doesn't only affect one player... It's across every player in every Battlegroup. That means that if your Alliance decides that every member will place an 1 Ultron, 1 Luke Cage, 1 Nightcrawler, 1 Guillotine, and 1 Civil Warrior, you only get Diversity points for 5 Champions. Because there aren't 150 unique Champions in the game, you won't be able to get diversity points for every Champion, but you can still get quite a bit by varying it up.

    Hopefully this means that you won't be running into an entire path of Nightcrawlers, or 5 Magiks as often!

    Does this work across star levels? If my battle group places a 4* Spidey and a 5* spidey--do we get 100 or 200 points?
  • GabbrosGabbros Member Posts: 156
    Husky54 wrote: »
    Does this work across star levels? If my battle group places a 4* Spidey and a 5* spidey--do we get 100 or 200 points?
    100
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  • KpatrixKpatrix Member Posts: 1,056 ★★★
    What is the actual point count per champ placed and what is the point count per attacker kill ? Are there more points for the minibosses ? Are attacker kills based off pi like in AQ or are they set, how many points per tile taken ? All this info was made available in last seasons war, I find it strange that it is being hidden from us now.
  • Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Moderator Posts: 8,269
    Cable wrote: »
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Every champion is worth points, but placing multiple of them will not get you multiple points.

    Say you get 100 points for Each Champion, you placed 2 Magik, 2 Spiderman, and 1 Hyperion. You'll get points for 3 unique Champions.

    Now, say you placed 1 Magik, 1 Spiderman (Stark Enhanced), 1 Spiderman (Symbiote), 1 Storm, and 1 Hyperion, you'll get points for 5 unique Champions.

    But this doesn't only affect one player... It's across every player in every Battlegroup. That means that if your Alliance decides that every member will place an 1 Ultron, 1 Luke Cage, 1 Nightcrawler, 1 Guillotine, and 1 Civil Warrior, you only get Diversity points for 5 Champions. Because there aren't 150 unique Champions in the game, you won't be able to get diversity points for every Champion, but you can still get quite a bit by varying it up.

    Hopefully this means that you won't be running into an entire path of Nightcrawlers, or 5 Magiks as often!

    Why wouldn't this post be posted on the AW thread? Thanks for posting this valuable information that players have been asking for after many alliances have already placed defenders. It really does make me scratch my head when questions like OP's are being asked on the appropriate 15.0 AW thread and being ignored yet they are answered on a duplicate thread. Whatever happened to more transparency and information being given to the player base regarding changes in a timely matter not after the fact like today? Plus why on earth haven't awards been increased?

    None of this information is new, and was posted in the very first post of the Alliance Wars Discussion announcement, but this was just asking for clarification on one point, so we chose to clarify in a thread that is distinctly about Defender Diversity.

    There haven't been many questions I've seen in the Alliance Wars thread that haven't already been covered, but I will take a look in there now.

    You'll also find the answer to your Question about rewards in there, where we stated that we will be taking a look at them later.
  • GrimmbearGrimmbear Member Posts: 639 ★★★
    Which idiot is placing Cage and Guilly on defense lol
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  • MoneyheadMoneyhead Member Posts: 16 ★
    Kabam took away the fun of watching people die in AW to champs that were ranked up for defense. Skill doesn't matter anymore, die a ton, spend a ton of items and place a garbage DIVERSE defense to get 100 percent and you win.
  • VoluntarisVoluntaris Member Posts: 1,198 ★★★
    Moneyhead wrote: »
    Kabam took away the fun of watching people die in AW to champs that were ranked up for defense. Skill doesn't matter anymore, die a ton, spend a ton of items and place a garbage DIVERSE defense to get 100 percent and you win.

    exactly ... it's a sad day
  • MoneyheadMoneyhead Member Posts: 16 ★
    Alliance A uses 0 items with 10 deaths for 100 percent
    Alliance B uses 15 items from each player and dies 150 times for 100 percent
    Alliance B has the more diverse unique champs that no one uses and still wins
    Is that the tie breaker that you're talking about?
  • TBJ1118TBJ1118 Member Posts: 228 ★
    edited September 2017
    So, it was said it wouldn't have been a game changer, yet the points awarded for defender variety are almost equal to the killing points...I am afraid we will have to rethink our defenses more thoroughly. This seems to potentially have a HUGE impact on the final score
  • Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Moderator Posts: 8,269
    TBJ1118 wrote: »
    @Kabam Miike please let us know how many points will we score/kill in attack, whether exploring tiles that have non nodes grants any point, how many points per tile or node explored, and how many points/defender variety. We really need this information BEFORE the war


    Points Breakdown:
    Node Exploration: 300 per Node (equals out to before, when it was 450)
    Boss Kill: 20 000 Points
    Defenders Placed: 50 per Defender Placed
    Defender Diversity: 125 per Unique Defender
    Defender Rating: 0.002 per PI
    Attacker Kills: 150 per Kill
  • MoneyheadMoneyhead Member Posts: 16 ★
    Is my example correct Mike? Does that make sense to you? It's not like there's that many posts that you didn't see mine above
  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,065 ★★★★★
    Moneyhead wrote: »
    Alliance A uses 0 items with 10 deaths for 100 percent
    Alliance B uses 15 items from each player and dies 150 times for 100 percent
    Alliance B has the more diverse unique champs that no one uses and still wins
    Is that the tie breaker that you're talking about?

    Waits for Mod to reply. I read a line on skirmish rewards. I wonder if it is to be understood as rewards you obtained directly with many defender kills.

    So, instead of points accruing to Alliance, it's individual rewards accruing to the Summoner.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    Alliance A scores as follows:
    Boss Kills- 60,000
    Exploration-51,300 (100%)
    Defender Rating-3,000 (if everboby places all r4s)
    Defender Diversity- 18,750 (if there are 150 different champs placed)
    Attack Kills- 0
    Total Score- 133,050

    Alliance B scores as follows:
    Boss Kills- 60,000
    Exploration- 51,300
    Defender Rating- 0
    Defender Diversity- 0
    Attack Kills- 22,500
    Total Score- 133,800

    In this scenario, alliance B wins even if they use all 15 items.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    That's based on 1 alliance placing no defense
  • FactorQFactorQ Member Posts: 110 ★
    You missed out points for "defenders placed"
  • AnonymousAnonymous Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    edited September 2017
    You're right
  • WrongWrong Member Posts: 51 ★
    If multiple champ placing affected health of champs, say, adding a negative amount penalty per doubled champ, that would have encouraged more champ diversity. Thats how they should have done it if the intention was to limit multiple same champs.
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