Summoner Advancement

How come there is a requirement to place in the ranking for summoner advancement and it keeps getting raised. It really is hurting the smaller alliances who are f2p who can't make that cut. My alliance is mostly f2p and we don't come close to making this cut. What's the reasoning?

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  • Rogue42Rogue42 Member Posts: 1,006 ★★★
    It rises as your alliance rating rises. Lots of alliances have their people hold crystals, rank/level ups and what not and go every other week.
  • beaupoembeaupoem Member Posts: 443
    we're f2p too (except for those who choose to spend) and we make the 265k cutoff easily every week now. it was tough when we just got bumped up to this level though, and we did miss several weeks. until every member starts contributing consistently, it might be a good idea to hold every other week like Rogue 42 said. just explain to your members why it's important to hit ranked rewards and what they need to do to help the alliance.
  • ChirotonsorChirotonsor Member Posts: 12
    Thanks, yeah we tried saving, and didn't even make halfway of 265k so we will just need to save for longer.
  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,127 ★★★★★
    edited September 2017
    I assume your alliance went up to the 265k cut-offs. When you say your alliance is small, what exactly is small? Low rating or few members?

    Mine was in the 265k and we could not reach it. Something happened and a few left and now we dropped back to 130k and it's now the third week cut-offs is 130k.
  • ctp1223ctp1223 Member Posts: 290
    How come there is a requirement to place in the ranking for summoner advancement and it keeps getting raised. It really is hurting the smaller alliances who are f2p who can't make that cut. My alliance is mostly f2p and we don't come close to making this cut. What's the reasoning?

    you'll get there. it takes time and everyone goes through it. When you get to a higher rating and a stronger alliance you will place every week without thinking.

    Keep grinding
  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,127 ★★★★★
    Additional data to form a conclusion will be helpful.

    Our alliance missed last SA advancement rank rewards at 160k (another story why we missed it) but we are now pushed up to 265k again. I deduce it's because we now have 22 members. So, 20 member alliance cannot get into 265k cutoff bracket.

    Any one can confirm?
  • Vdh2008Vdh2008 Member Posts: 966 ★★★★
    edited September 2017
    winterthur wrote: »
    Additional data to form a conclusion will be helpful.

    Our alliance missed last SA advancement rank rewards at 160k (another story why we missed it) but we are now pushed up to 265k again. I deduce it's because we now have 22 members. So, 20 member alliance cannot get into 265k cutoff bracket.

    Any one can confirm?

    It is simply based on the total rating of your alliance. I don't know what the cutoffs are, but as you grow your total rating, the SA rank target will go up. 265K is the max.

    A 20 member alliance who all have 300K accounts will still get the 265K bracket
  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,127 ★★★★★
    I was thinking test to assess what happens when two members leave.


  • Deadbyrd9Deadbyrd9 Member Posts: 3,469 ★★★★
    Just have to hold off opening crystals and ranking champs every other week. Most of us went through this at some point in our early days of progression
  • Darkstar4387Darkstar4387 Member Posts: 2,145 ★★★
    winterthur wrote: »
    Additional data to form a conclusion will be helpful.

    Our alliance missed last SA advancement rank rewards at 160k (another story why we missed it) but we are now pushed up to 265k again. I deduce it's because we now have 22 members. So, 20 member alliance cannot get into 265k cutoff bracket.

    Any one can confirm?

    It's based in rating, I think it's somewhere around the 1.3-1.5 million range I don't remember the exact number. The only way to move down is to drop your allaince rating down it has nothing to do with the amount of members you have.

    Technically you could have like 10 members who are north of 150k and they would be in the 265k bracket.
    Thanks, yeah we tried saving, and didn't even make halfway of 265k so we will just need to save for longer

    Try to come up with a minimum for everyone and stick to it those who do not get close to it remove them if they aren't contributing until you get a group capable of doing so.

    We lost a chunk of members and were having a hard time with sa brought new members in , repeat the process and hold for a week or more depending on how early we hit the sa.

    Once your alliance gets in a groove they can put up a lot of points, currently we're at 180k+ already.
  • mum_m2mum_m2 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★
    we are all F2P and you gotta set the standard to get 9000 per person in a 30 man alliance. If you can't get that, then you NEED to hold crystals. While you'll only get the rewards every other week, you'll be getting getting decent rewards. Eventually, you won't need to withhold and getting 8k won't seem so difficult.
  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,127 ★★★★★
    winterthur wrote: »
    Additional data to form a conclusion will be helpful.

    Our alliance missed last SA advancement rank rewards at 160k (another story why we missed it) but we are now pushed up to 265k again. I deduce it's because we now have 22 members. So, 20 member alliance cannot get into 265k cutoff bracket.

    Any one can confirm?

    It's based in rating, I think it's somewhere around the 1.3-1.5 million range I don't remember the exact number. The only way to move down is to drop your allaince rating down it has nothing to do with the amount of members you have.

    Technically you could have like 10 members who are north of 150k and they would be in the 265k bracket.

    Seems like I am hijacking OP's thread ... oops.
    I understand the holding crystal opening and ranking.

    I am more interested to find out the conditions leading to the various cut-offs. I just realised I mentioned 130k in an earlier post and then 160k in a latter post.

    Looks like more help to observe the data is needed.
  • beaupoembeaupoem Member Posts: 443
    i think multiple people have already answered your question. it's based on alliance rating.
  • Darkstar4387Darkstar4387 Member Posts: 2,145 ★★★
    edited September 2017
    winterthur wrote: »
    winterthur wrote: »
    Additional data to form a conclusion will be helpful.

    Our alliance missed last SA advancement rank rewards at 160k (another story why we missed it) but we are now pushed up to 265k again. I deduce it's because we now have 22 members. So, 20 member alliance cannot get into 265k cutoff bracket.

    Any one can confirm?

    It's based in rating, I think it's somewhere around the 1.3-1.5 million range I don't remember the exact number. The only way to move down is to drop your allaince rating down it has nothing to do with the amount of members you have.

    Technically you could have like 10 members who are north of 150k and they would be in the 265k bracket.

    Seems like I am hijacking OP's thread ... oops.
    I understand the holding crystal opening and ranking.

    I am more interested to find out the conditions leading to the various cut-offs. I just realised I mentioned 130k in an earlier post and then 160k in a latter post.

    Looks like more help to observe the data is needed.

    Again it's based on alliance rating, the smaller your alliance rating is the less points they need to put up to rank in sa.

    The bigger your rating is the more points you have to put up to make the ranking, once you reach the threshold you either make it work or purge members until you drop your allaince out of the bracket and down into a lower one.

    It's something like

    30k
    60k
    100k under that
    160k 1-1.4 million
    265k 1.5 million

    I don't remember the exact numbers for the brackets or their cuttoffs, it's been awhile but those are close to them so no further data is really needed.

    You want to stay in 160k then drop below 1.5 million, you want to stay than either hold or set minimum and kick people who don't contribute.
  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,127 ★★★★★
    We drop back to 130k (was at 265k) this week with 18 members at 1.6m rating.
  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,127 ★★★★★
    Now we dropped into 110k bracket.
    Really confused but good to get rank rewards.
  • LymtLymt Member Posts: 4
    We are at just shy of 3.5 mil. With 15 players and it dropped from 265k last week to 10k this week last week we had 16 players and just over 3.5mil. So that kind of throws a monkey wrench in what was said. It makes no difference to us as we hold every other week anyways just saying
  • LymtLymt Member Posts: 4
    160 k sorry for the typo
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,186 ★★★★★
    Rank rewards for us is 15k. We hold for every second week.
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