Scouter lens becoming irrelevant

SayantanSayantan Member Posts: 25 ★
in General Discussion
As mentioned in your announcement post, the invisible nodes are being removed from alliance war. Now people like me who have used their hard earned units to unlock their scouter lens mastery have no use for the mastery in that situation. It is this requested that our mastery points used in the scouter lens mastery and the units used to unlock that mastery point (550 units per carbonadium core) be refunded to us as a mode of compensation. I hope your fine judgement will understand well our situation and take it under consideration. Thank you.

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  • SayantanSayantan Member Posts: 25 ★
    You do realise that our choices are dependent on the changes made by Kabam, right? When a mastery becomes useless because there is no place to use it in, the costs are required to be refunded.
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    edited June 2020
    we bought it before when it fit in the meta of the game.
    currently it does not fit.
    unfortunately thats what happens sometimes in games with evolving content.

    mind you kabam have only removed the hidden nodes because people complained about having hidden nodes.

    also kabam have said they do plan on bringing them back later.

    last map it was only hidden nodes on 1 path. meaning only 3 out of 30 would have potentially used it. did the 27 others complain bout it then?
  • SayantanSayantan Member Posts: 25 ★
    The people who used to take path 7 regularly, had opened them. But the entire system of invisible node has been removed (for whatever reason). It doesn't change the fact that it has rendered the scouter lens mastery irrelevant in the current meta or the game.
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    befor that map many people used them as all nodes used to be hidden.

    also they clearly said they are not done with hidden nodes.
    they will be back.

    but it also doesnt change the fact that you invest in the current meta, then the meta changes and you adapt.
    thats how evolving content games work.
    its just as bad as saying can i have RDT's for my SL cus he was meta but now he is useless cus of Aegon..........
  • SayantanSayantan Member Posts: 25 ★
    It is not as if aegon or SL have become absolutely unusable, it is not as if there is no content where SL and aegon can't be used. Your example is thus flawed. Scouter lens mastery is becoming irrelevant because there are NO modes in the game where that mastery can be used. Coming to the question of adaptation, any help from Kabam that makes the adaptation process less tidious is always welcome. I'm asking for that.
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    my point is as simple as **** happens.
    it was a useful mastery for some.
    it is no longer.
    the game has changed.
    it may become useful later,
    time will tell.
    but it is what it is.
    the game will always keep on growing and changing.
    thats what makes games like this last for so long.

    same things happen in life.
    you buy new tech, then that tech becomes outdated and useless. you cant just get a refund on the old tech.
    back in the day i had a mobile phone that used only Analog signal. in my country all the signmals were shut down years ago. Could i just go and get a refund on my phone when it stopped working?
    no. i just had to deal with it and buy a new one.
    my old CRT tv that can only get Analog Television signals, can i get a refund now that analog signals do not exist and my TV is now just a paperweight?
  • MauledMauled Member, Guardian Posts: 3,957 Guardian
    Hidden nodes aren’t gone permanently. They may bring them back, they just said that they were removing them from the miniboss nodes this season. This sounds like they’re going to bring them back when they decide on the best way to go ahead.
  • SayantanSayantan Member Posts: 25 ★
    Again a flawed example. Sigh
  • AzKicker316AzKicker316 Member Posts: 2,435 ★★★★★
    They already said hidden nodes will come back.

    Ridiculous to ask for compensation just because they make changes to their own game. You have the ability to change your masteries at any time. Why can't people be accountable for their own decisions, and that includes adapting to a game they choose to play knowing they have no control on the changes that the developers will continually make?
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    AzKicker316 said:

    They already said hidden nodes will come back.

    Ridiculous to ask for compensation just because they make changes to their own game. You have the ability to change your masteries at any time. Why can't people be accountable for their own decisions, and that includes adapting to a game they choose to play knowing they have no control on the changes that the developers will continually make?

    entitled generation. thats why.
  • AzKicker316AzKicker316 Member Posts: 2,435 ★★★★★
    Sensei_Maat said:

    AzKicker316 said:

    They already said hidden nodes will come back.

    Ridiculous to ask for compensation just because they make changes to their own game. You have the ability to change your masteries at any time. Why can't people be accountable for their own decisions, and that includes adapting to a game they choose to play knowing they have no control on the changes that the developers will continually make?

    entitled generation. thats why.
    Exactly, the newer players who are getting 5*s much quicker than the long time players ever did at that stage think they deserve everything right now! This game is flooded with mid to high level accounts without the actual skills to match!
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    AzKicker316 said:

    Sensei_Maat said:

    AzKicker316 said:

    They already said hidden nodes will come back.

    Ridiculous to ask for compensation just because they make changes to their own game. You have the ability to change your masteries at any time. Why can't people be accountable for their own decisions, and that includes adapting to a game they choose to play knowing they have no control on the changes that the developers will continually make?

    entitled generation. thats why.
    Exactly, the newer players who are getting 5*s much quicker than the long time players ever did at that stage think they deserve everything right now! This game is flooded with mid to high level accounts without the actual skills to match!
    noticing that increasingly quickly.
    i see these peeps join my alliance with beasty looking rosters and then they just die so easy every AW and AQ.
  • ChampioncriticChampioncritic Member Posts: 3,347 ★★★★
    Sensei_Maat said:

    my point is as simple as **** happens.
    it was a useful mastery for some.
    it is no longer.
    the game has changed.
    it may become useful later,
    time will tell.
    but it is what it is.
    the game will always keep on growing and changing.
    thats what makes games like this last for so long.

    same things happen in life.
    you buy new tech, then that tech becomes outdated and useless. you cant just get a refund on the old tech.
    back in the day i had a mobile phone that used only Analog signal. in my country all the signmals were shut down years ago. Could i just go and get a refund on my phone when it stopped working?
    no. i just had to deal with it and buy a new one.
    my old CRT tv that can only get Analog Television signals, can i get a refund now that analog signals do not exist and my TV is now just a paperweight?

    @Sayantan this is the best example lol.
  • TP33TP33 Member Posts: 1,681 ★★★★★
    Would you complain that you spent money on T2A in 2017 but now you you can get them for free? You don’t hear complaints from people saying they all the resources that they spent on 4*s back, why is this any different. Meta has changed. Get over it. (Also on a side note I do think those masteries were overpriced but they all are in that aspect so whatever)
  • ChriissRChriissR Member Posts: 652 ★★★★
    I do agree we should get refunded our cores. Only purpose of those masteries unlocked was for war. Unfortunately I don't think we will get a refund because they did say, hidden nodes will return.

    Some people commenting on this thread saying we shouldn't get compensation, are the same ones asking for Act 6 compensation and Captain Marvel abyss compensation. Man, people confuse me.
  • AzKicker316AzKicker316 Member Posts: 2,435 ★★★★★
    ChriissR said:

    I do agree we should get refunded our cores. Only purpose of those masteries unlocked was for war. Unfortunately I don't think we will get a refund because they did say, hidden nodes will return.

    Some people commenting on this thread saying we shouldn't get compensation, are the same ones asking for Act 6 compensation and Captain Marvel abyss compensation. Man, people confuse me.


    Don't go assuming on who complains about what. There is no compensation, nor is any deserved.

    I for one never asked for compensation for act 6. I beat the champion once but hate that they are reducing the dexes just to appease the whiny folks who can't develop skills.
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    edited June 2020
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    ChriissR said:

    I do agree we should get refunded our cores. Only purpose of those masteries unlocked was for war. Unfortunately I don't think we will get a refund because they did say, hidden nodes will return.

    Some people commenting on this thread saying we shouldn't get compensation, are the same ones asking for Act 6 compensation and Captain Marvel abyss compensation. Man, people confuse me.

    i have never once asked for compensation. for anything. get your facts straight.

    but as an aside they are totally different things. broken content v changing meta is not a comparison.
  • SayantanSayantan Member Posts: 25 ★
    @Championcritic I can give you more than one reasons as to why that example is flawed but that won't serve my purpose and we'll only digress. Moreover I don't want to argue with people who have decided that they won't understand no matter what.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Sayantan said:

    The people who used to take path 7 regularly, had opened them. But the entire system of invisible node has been removed (for whatever reason). It doesn't change the fact that it has rendered the scouter lens mastery irrelevant in the current meta or the game.

    You realize the entire map was hidden before the last map right. SL was a requirement by basically any even mildly competitive alliance and you didn't see people having a tantrum when they changed the map then. I'll gladly never put another mastery point in SL ever again and go about my business. Just stop
  • Timone147Timone147 Member Posts: 1,276 ★★★★
    Ok guys let’s put this into perspective

    Let’s say they didn’t take away hidden nodes but instead took away a more popular mechanic like idk the ability to bleed.

    Would you then say tough luck they don’t deserve refund for deep wounds?

    When they nerfed MD they refunded the purchase cost. Why wouldn’t this be the same?

    The most recent mastery alteration also had a refund and testing period(I can’t remember what it was). Why would this be any different.

    I never purchased this one as it was always too niche and I am fine fighting hidden nodes. But the arguments against are poor and also go against precedent imo. They have literally removed every logical need for this in the game(AQ doesn’t count as we all have the maps).

  • SayantanSayantan Member Posts: 25 ★
    @Timone147 thank you for bringing this out. People here don't want to understand simple stuff.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 3,978 Guardian
    Sayantan said:

    As mentioned in your announcement post, the invisible nodes are being removed from alliance war. Now people like me who have used their hard earned units to unlock their scouter lens mastery have no use for the mastery in that situation. It is this requested that our mastery points used in the scouter lens mastery and the units used to unlock that mastery point (550 units per carbonadium core) be refunded to us as a mode of compensation. I hope your fine judgement will understand well our situation and take it under consideration. Thank you.

    It will be back in the future. I thank kabam for allowing me to use my mastery points somewhere else now instead ofthe lens.
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    Timone147 said:

    Ok guys let’s put this into perspective

    Let’s say they didn’t take away hidden nodes but instead took away a more popular mechanic like idk the ability to bleed.

    Would you then say tough luck they don’t deserve refund for deep wounds?

    When they nerfed MD they refunded the purchase cost. Why wouldn’t this be the same?

    The most recent mastery alteration also had a refund and testing period(I can’t remember what it was). Why would this be any different.

    I never purchased this one as it was always too niche and I am fine fighting hidden nodes. But the arguments against are poor and also go against precedent imo. They have literally removed every logical need for this in the game(AQ doesn’t count as we all have the maps).

    much much different scenario.
    you are comparing a fundamental change in the way in which a game mechanic works, to the temporary unsability of a mastery.
    scouter lens is only temporarily unusable.
    in this current war map there is no hidden nodes.

    firstly kabam planned on having hidden nodes until people complained.
    secondly they said they are not done with hidden noes and they will be back later.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Timone147 said:

    Ok guys let’s put this into perspective

    Let’s say they didn’t take away hidden nodes but instead took away a more popular mechanic like idk the ability to bleed.

    Would you then say tough luck they don’t deserve refund for deep wounds?

    When they nerfed MD they refunded the purchase cost. Why wouldn’t this be the same?

    The most recent mastery alteration also had a refund and testing period(I can’t remember what it was). Why would this be any different.

    I never purchased this one as it was always too niche and I am fine fighting hidden nodes. But the arguments against are poor and also go against precedent imo. They have literally removed every logical need for this in the game(AQ doesn’t count as we all have the maps).

    They did take away bleed for a season and put a global bleed immunity on the map. Absolutely no one got refunded for Deep Wounds nor do I remember anyone asking for something so ridiculous
  • lowlevelplayerlowlevelplayer Member Posts: 4,292 ★★★★★
    just make mastery resets free for a week or two
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