War Matchmaking

clven2000clven2000 Member Posts: 10
Sirs, we in the Alliance notice that the war matchmaking is so unfair that our opponent is 16.8 Million alliance rating and us only 6.3Million, so disappointed in this matter. Hope the admin will consider also not the season rank but also the Alliance capabilities.
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  • thumar_11thumar_11 Member Posts: 4
    clven2000 said:

    Sirs, we in the Alliance notice that the war matchmaking is so unfair that our opponent is 16.8 Million alliance rating and us only 6.3Million, so disappointed in this matter. Hope the admin will consider also not the season rank but also the Alliance capabilities.


    Totally agree with you.
    Ideally they should also consider average player rating for matchmaking.
    Only considering war rating will create these issues a lot.

    We faced same situation in season 19.

    Our average player rating is 140k and opponent average player rating is 790k.
    How can we say this a fair match.

    System should not go for only one parameter. They should also consider others to have fair match making. My point of view is to consider both war and average player ratings
  • clven2000clven2000 Member Posts: 10
    edited July 2020
    Yeah, it's right. hope our Kabam admin do some changes in the remaining Season 19 AW.
  • clven2000clven2000 Member Posts: 10
    how about they give you opponent like that for the whole season, so unfair. hope next time we will not meet that kind of opponent, we should have the right match. for so many alliances playing this game. I prefer the old way.
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    clven2000 said:

    how about they give you opponent like that for the whole season, so unfair. hope next time we will not meet that kind of opponent, we should have the right match. for so many alliances playing this game. I prefer the old way.

    the old way was unfair for so many alliances losing rewards to shitter lower newer players. so many people not rewarded fairly for seasons hard work while others were rewarded way too much
  • Morpheus123Morpheus123 Member Posts: 7
    Everything in the new war system and the new war map is very disappointing. Doing Wars no longer worth the effort. You make effort in AQ to just feed wars? and overcome the game mistakes? I need AQ resources for making upgrades and growing my roster.

    War rewards are very low as well. And must add potions in them.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    I agree 100%. There should be something preventing Matches from being varied too much. Some people will say everything is as it should be, but what's right shouldn't come at someone else's expense.
  • Stagedear85Stagedear85 Member Posts: 774 ★★★
    Here's my question maybe someone can answer this i know war ratings are froze in the off season, how about tiers ? i ask because if you can move up a few Tiers in the off season then starting at a low war rating during war season (unfair match up) then you will be boost you up the ladder faster which is what i think is going on here. i do think the new system is an improvement but i still see some unfair match ups from guys in Gold brackets being match up with guys that's in pat 3 due to Alliance taking a break from time to time and decide to do season now and the other alliance been very active and got up to Gold 2, now hows it fair that because their war rating is close that you have an alliance that belong in Gold 2 match up against an alliance in Plat 3. one alliance rating is 37million and the only is 19 million. hows that a fair match up ? I personally dont think its fair to the Gold 2 alliance who im sure is trying to make it to Gold 1 being match up like that thats almost an guarantee lost for them.
  • Stagedear85Stagedear85 Member Posts: 774 ★★★
    Uvealfire said:

    At first, I was planning to not post on this subject until the worst matchmaking of all time took place in my alliance's last war. We won War 1 of the season as we were 5x the prestige of the other alliance, and was extremely easy. War 2 we faced an alliance about 1.5x our average player, which we lost but was relatively close. War 3 was an alliance about 2x higher average than us and was a not very close loss. War 4 though was the worst mismatch I have ever seen in the history of Alliance war and I have played every season. We were matched against an alliance with an average player rating of 25,313 and this is not a typo. 30 member team whose highest player rating was 63k and their best champion was a 3 star rank 4 gwenpool. We have 5/65 and 6 star rank 1/2 on a good portion of our defense. It was the worst war of all time---they cleared 2.1% of the 3 battlegroups. This simply cannot happen, has to be something in place to avoid this. We are basically 30x their average player.

    Exactly I’m saying the same thing you have a lot of alliances that move to shells and they’re killing in players like your self that’s trying to progress thou war rating are froze at the end of the season u can still move up in tiers
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★

    I agree 100%. There should be something preventing Matches from being varied too much. Some people will say everything is as it should be, but what's right shouldn't come at someone else's expense.

    but the last system was unfair and it was also coming at peoples expense.

    people who benifted unfairly before and now get the bad side.
    people who got the bad side before and now get it fair now.
  • Red_Guardian_1Red_Guardian_1 Member Posts: 7
    War matchmaking should be AND combination of War rating and average alliance mamber rating. We are also facing unfair matchmaking. And loosing the war.. In last session we were in silver 2 and now bronze1 going forward may be fall to bronze3
  • TanksalotTanksalot Member Posts: 42
    "but the last system was unfair and it was also coming at peoples expense.

    people who benifted unfairly before and now get the bad side.
    people who got the bad side before and now get it fair now."

    I disagree completely. Last season our alliance fought equally strong teams, especially as the season went on. This season, 3 of our wars were against wayyyyy overpowered teams. Zero defensive kills, 54% completion. That was our last one, the others weren't that extreme, but still were blow-outs.

    How fun is it to enlist in a war only to find that you stand no chance? Over half of our wars this season, so far, were like that.
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,330 ★★★★★
    Tanksalot said:

    "but the last system was unfair and it was also coming at peoples expense.

    people who benifted unfairly before and now get the bad side.
    people who got the bad side before and now get it fair now."

    I disagree completely. Last season our alliance fought equally strong teams, especially as the season went on. This season, 3 of our wars were against wayyyyy overpowered teams. Zero defensive kills, 54% completion. That was our last one, the others weren't that extreme, but still were blow-outs.

    How fun is it to enlist in a war only to find that you stand no chance? Over half of our wars this season, so far, were like that.

    There were 4 wars in this season so far. So that’s 2... it also shows how inflated your ratings was/is.
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,330 ★★★★★

    War matchmaking should be AND combination of War rating and average alliance mamber rating. We are also facing unfair matchmaking. And loosing the war.. In last session we were in silver 2 and now bronze1 going forward may be fall to bronze3

    That’s likely where you belong in the entire picture.

    Alliance member rating is soooo easy to manipulate.
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  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    Tanksalot said:

    "but the last system was unfair and it was also coming at peoples expense.

    people who benifted unfairly before and now get the bad side.
    people who got the bad side before and now get it fair now."

    I disagree completely. Last season our alliance fought equally strong teams, especially as the season went on. This season, 3 of our wars were against wayyyyy overpowered teams. Zero defensive kills, 54% completion. That was our last one, the others weren't that extreme, but still were blow-outs.

    How fun is it to enlist in a war only to find that you stand no chance? Over half of our wars this season, so far, were like that.

    thats the point.
    many alliances with lower prestige climbed to higher ranks and unfairly took higher season rewards away from bigger stronger allies that were stuck lower due to only facing bigger stronger competition.

    aa 5 mil alliance should not get plat 4 rewards instead of a 30mil alliance simply because the 5 mil alliance is the best 5 mil alliance. and only beat other 5 mil alliances. this is what was happening and it was unfair the smaller allies were tasking rewards away from the bigger stronger allies.

    as i said elsewhere it is a progression based game. and in such games you get rewarded for roster growth and depth that comes with progressing. you aree rewarded primarily and above all else for time put into the game and progression. veterans will always get better rewards.
    this is reflected in all aspects of rewards throughout the game with the varying tier levels.
    this can even be seen in the war tiers.
    the prestige matchmaking however made a mockery and spat in the face of this entire design. it took kabam way too long to act on this.
    now it will fall back in line where bigger allies will rise, smaller allies will fall and after a while alliances will be properly rewarded for time spent and effort put in.
    if you wanna get rewarded the big boy rewards you gotta keep at it and grow to big boy size.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    How many times are people going to keep dismissing others for bringing up their issue with this? They're going to complain and they have a right to. Just leave it alone. The system is what it is anyway. Rubbing it in is just in bad taste.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Condescension doesn't help anyone.
  • clven2000clven2000 Member Posts: 10
    Thank you all guys for your wonderful insights, maybe Kabam has the reason. hope they will give us some compensation for the items and potions we used to make our alliance at least score, because until we are facing a higher alliance for Almost 16M while us is 6M :-) Anyhow let's wait what KABAM will give us an answer.
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  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,330 ★★★★★
    clven2000 said:

    Thank you all guys for your wonderful insights, maybe Kabam has the reason. hope they will give us some compensation for the items and potions we used to make our alliance at least score, because until we are facing a higher alliance for Almost 16M while us is 6M :-) Anyhow let's wait what KABAM will give us an answer.

    Huh? Don’t think anyone forced you to use items and potions. Why should Kabam compensate you for your choices?
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★

    How many times are people going to keep dismissing others for bringing up their issue with this? They're going to complain and they have a right to. Just leave it alone. The system is what it is anyway. Rubbing it in is just in bad taste.

    why are you allowed to state your opinion over and over but we are not allowed to rebutt it?
    thats not fair.
    i have a right to complain the system was unfair before and this is the fix to it.
    most of the complaints are people unknowledgable to the flaws of the old system.

    how am i rubbing anything in... did you not read my post above where i mentioned the matchups my two alliance currently have?
    if you want us to drop it you also need to drop it which you have said you will do countless times but keep failing to actually do.

    why are you complaining bout the unfairness of the system now but you never complained about the unfairness of the system before?
    many alliance were wronged by the season structure and forced out of rewards they should have had before and you never complained about it.
  • clven2000clven2000 Member Posts: 10
    @xNig said:
    Huh? Don’t think anyone forced you to use items and potions. Why should Kabam compensate you for your choices?

    What should our alliance do, have any suggestions?
  • Sensei_MaatSensei_Maat Member Posts: 396 ★★★
    clven2000 said:

    @xNig said:
    Huh? Don’t think anyone forced you to use items and potions. Why should Kabam compensate you for your choices?

    What should our alliance do, have any suggestions?

    just die.
    only use items in a war in which you may win.
    if the war is in a position where it is unwinnable be smart and conserve items for one that you can win.
    no point to use items and still not clear.
    thats a waste.
    no point to use items and still come up a big loss.
  • AbarbarianAbarbarian Member Posts: 8
    You guys that are saying this is a fixed system are totally oblivious or don’t want to recognize that if you were a 30 mil ally and losing all season to other 30 mil allys then you deserved to get lower rewards. If an ally can play competition that is fair just like you and dominate. THEY DESERVE A HIGHER RANK!! Don’t be upset because you’ve been playing two more years and just lack the progression speed that others have. What you have now is alliances disbanding. Quitting war totally and I don’t blame them. Brian Grant is at the top of this game and has a video stating how rediculously broken this matchmaking is and he isn’t even effected. And where is A response from kabam regarding any of this. Why is brian grant responding to people’s concerns. He isn’t making the money? Step up
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★

    How many times are people going to keep dismissing others for bringing up their issue with this? They're going to complain and they have a right to. Just leave it alone. The system is what it is anyway. Rubbing it in is just in bad taste.

    why are you allowed to state your opinion over and over but we are not allowed to rebutt it?
    thats not fair.
    i have a right to complain the system was unfair before and this is the fix to it.
    most of the complaints are people unknowledgable to the flaws of the old system.

    how am i rubbing anything in... did you not read my post above where i mentioned the matchups my two alliance currently have?
    if you want us to drop it you also need to drop it which you have said you will do countless times but keep failing to actually do.

    why are you complaining bout the unfairness of the system now but you never complained about the unfairness of the system before?
    many alliance were wronged by the season structure and forced out of rewards they should have had before and you never complained about it.
    People are posting their issues. Others are making it their mission to shoot them down. Let them speak to what they're experiencing and how they feel about it. I knew this was going to happen the second they announced it. We all pretty much did. "Nothing to see here. System is just fixing itself.", isn't going to work when more and more people are bringing it up. They have a valid claim to what they're experiencing. Simple as that.
    As for fairness, I've been a voice for that for years. I'm not even here to make that point again. I'm saying let people speak. Trying to squash every Thread won't change the fact that many people have brought up the issue, and that usually means it's not just unwarranted complaining.
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