BWCV or SORCERER SUPREME!

Who is better, bwcv or sorcerer supreme and I don't use suicides. And who performs better outside of their comfort I mean in case there is a bad match up who performs better. Thanks for your advice.

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Princenayarw

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Qacob

Has the event started for you guys? I thought it was meant to start 20 minutes ago but still nothing in game.

Rockypantherx

36 minutes. 18:00 GMT

SwarmOfRavens

I would love to see the list of 10 mystics that are better than Claire without suicides

Worknprogress

LOL you're more than welcome to compare rosters if you like bud

Princenayarw

@Worknprogress I indeed do and thanks. LOL.

Qacob

But the announcement says 10am PDT? I checked google and that's 5pm GMT right? I thought it was weird as things usually happen at 6pm. I guess either the announcement or my Google search was wrong...

Worknprogress

If you take away her immunities? Doom, Sorcerer, MS, Magik, Voodoo, Sym, and possibly even Longshot at a stretch so yeah maybe top 10 but not by much.

Gildenlow

Both are awesome, this in my experience and what i think you should consider:

You NEED immunities? Then the obvious answer is claire.
You don't run, but plan on run suicides? Go with claire again, she is a BEAST with suicides, whitout them she doesn't hit that hard, but her versatility can make you beat almost everything, long fights but that's ok, you can regen any time you want.

You don't need immunities, nor planing on go suicides? Then go with sorcerer, she can do a lot of damage, also that slow debuff is really a must have, crazy regen and if I'm correct energetic hits, which makes her an option for korg or similar.

You won't be disapointed with any of them, but its really wise that you choose, the one that's going to fit best with your roster/masteries/style of play/needs.

As for me, I'd go sorcerer!

lowlevelplayer

"if you take away her immunities". That's like saying "If you take away doom's L1 power control"....

Worknprogress

Most recent I have. Mostly currentish

Rockypantherx

No idea, it’s 18:00 anyway. If you check the arenas tab you can see the legends arenas start in around 30 minutes, which is 18:00

Qacob

Oh well, it's only half an hour to wait.

Worknprogress

That was the whole premise of my statement though. Without her suicide compatability/immunities she's a pretty average mystic. If you don't need those, she's just not great

Worknprogress

If you have an early/small roster and need one champ to do a lot of things then yeah she's probably great. If you have a large developed roster and don't need the immunity she's just not really needed.

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lowlevelplayer

if you don't need power control doom isn't great. If you don't need burst damage corvus sucks. If you don't need someone that can destroy 90% of content in the game quake sucks. If you don't need utility sorcsup is average.

Princenayarw

@Worknprogress the fact you took Thor Ragnarok to max over stealthy and blade proves stuff.

IronStrange

Sorcerer Supreme, you will need a little practice to fully understand her abilities and how to get the most out of it, but when you get her right she is just amazing. Mine went to straight r5 and she is crazy fun. Her regen on block ability is just soo good when you are in act 6 or variants where the block damage is high or is it full with hard to evade special champs.

lowlevelplayer

probably a prestige move back in the day

Worknprogress

It proves I needed prestige at the time and have never once had a need for stealthy or blade when I had them

Princenayarw

Anyway an opinion is an opinion let's not argue ok bud?

SwarmOfRavens

Not if you take away her immunities, if you don't run suicides.
Claire's kit revolves around Immunity and gaining power from it.
It's like saying doom without power steal on sp1 isnt as good, what do you expect?

Worknprogress

Yeah, no kidding. You use champs that have abilities that are needed, that's the point of having diverse options. Outside of immunities other mystics do mystic stuff better than her.

Worknprogress

That's not what I said though. I said take away her immunities. Unless you need one champ to do a lot of things okay or need the immunity, she's just average.

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Princenayarw

Power steal, life steal, burst damage, triple immunities, buff immunity, suicides compatibility.

Kill_Grey

Claire is the best mystic in the game with suicides, period. Wanna argue, let's go!
Without suicides, she's definitely top 3 IMO, because she still accesses all her utility without it (except the free Claire charges she gets with suicides, and of course the pretty much doubled heal and almost doubled attack rating in general). Yet to find another champ similar to her, the utility is immense! She's probably the only champ that benefits against opponents where you actually have what would be a "disadvantage" to every other one. You've got free power gain! She's probably the mystic that needs MD the least (apart from magik), and it makes sense, because you can run suicides and put those points you would in MD, into something like despair (which she works amazingly for). She's one of those kind of champs that can go into a quick match fight, or a hidden node somewhere and beat 99% of the opponents you would get (quick match is extremely randomised, and the few champs that I would say are comparable to Claire in those type of scenarios are characters like quake, ghost, void, omega red, and a few others).

Not gonna lie, act 6 is quite a pain in like...all of the time, but Claire is one of those few champs that can actually make it fun! Again, the utility is immense! And people criticising her damage are being ridiculous, with or without suicides, her damage is great! Btw, you're not losing much by not running suicides, as her special 2 energy damage doesn't increase with attack modifiers (which I'm still not sure is supposed to be the case). In other words, don't feel left out because you're not running suicides with her, you're still getting the same damage on your special 2 energy damage in hellfire with or without it (which is where most of her burst damage comes from).

SwarmOfRavens

You've been acting like the only reason claire is rated so highly is because of suicide compatibility and champs like sorcerer are shafted because the don't synergize well with it.

So I'm curious about where you would place Claire in a mystic list where suicides weren't a factor

SpideyFunko

it’s like they know