Alliance war matchmaking is ruining everything

Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
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Since the season started our alliance is matched with higher rated alliance who has twice our rating. We have 15mil rating and the match up we get are 25mil., 30 m, etc. Our prestige is 7k+ the opponents are 8.5k+. Our average member rating is 500k and the opponents are always 1mil. When I reported about this issue the response from kabaam was they can't do any hing about it which means we will have to deal with this. We were at top of gold 2 now because of this matchmaking screw up we are now at the bottom of gold 3 and soon silver 3. No idea what to do about this issue. Now the game is lagging also from yesterday during matches
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  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    Our precise rating is 16, 96,2804. Which means approx 17mil and I mentioned we, the alliance, not a single person. We are fighting thee bgs. We have good players and even when we lose we don't lose to a very high margin we manage to clear all bgs even though we fight against r5 fivestars and six stars. I reported this issue to kabam and they told they won't be able to do anything about this. They told almost like it's all based on our luck and they pretty much can't do anything about this. Higher alliances intentionally lose wars during off season to get lower war ratings so that they can demolish lower alliances. So what should the lower alliances do? That's the only thing I'm asking here. Is there any other method than spending tons of revives and boosts to win wars? Even though we use potions and revives they just get the win easily
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,598 ★★★★★
    Is war rating similar? If it is it’s fair
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
    Lvernon15 said:

    Is war rating similar? If it is it’s fair

    Yes it is similar but how will it be fair if an elephant has a fight with a goat
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,943 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    I think he might be talking about Alliance Rating @Lormif
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
    SpideyFunko said:

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    Our precise rating is 16, 96,2804. Which means approx 17mil and I mentioned we, the alliance, not a single person. We are fighting thee bgs. We have good players and even when we lose we don't lose to a very high margin we manage to clear all bgs even though we fight against r5 fivestars and six stars. I reported this issue to kabam and they told they won't be able to do anything about this. They told almost like it's all based on our luck and they pretty much can't do anything about this. Higher alliances intentionally lose wars during off season to get lower war ratings so that they can demolish lower alliances. So what should the lower alliances do? That's the only thing I'm asking here. Is there any other method than spending tons of revives and boosts to win wars? Even though we use potions and revives they just get the win easily
    16,96,2804 isn’t a real number
    16,962,804 now is it?
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    SpideyFunko said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    I think he might be talking about Alliance Rating @Lormif
    I know, but I was clear that is not what matters in my first post
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
    SpideyFunko said:

    Because it used to be based prestige, which let you climb higher and higher. Now that it’s based on War Rating, you’re probably going to suck

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    Our precise rating is 16, 96,2804. Which means approx 17mil and I mentioned we, the alliance, not a single person. We are fighting thee bgs. We have good players and even when we lose we don't lose to a very high margin we manage to clear all bgs even though we fight against r5 fivestars and six stars. I reported this issue to kabam and they told they won't be able to do anything about this. They told almost like it's all based on our luck and they pretty much can't do anything about this. Higher alliances intentionally lose wars during off season to get lower war ratings so that they can demolish lower alliances. So what should the lower alliances do? That's the only thing I'm asking here. Is there any other method than spending tons of revives and boosts to win wars? Even though we use potions and revives they just get the win easily
    16,96,2804 isn’t a real number
    16,962,804
    SpideyFunko said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    I think he might be talking about Alliance Rating @Lormif
    Yes I am
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Saakkiller1995 said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    Because it used to be based prestige, which let you climb higher and higher. Now that it’s based on War Rating, you’re probably going to suck

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    Our precise rating is 16, 96,2804. Which means approx 17mil and I mentioned we, the alliance, not a single person. We are fighting thee bgs. We have good players and even when we lose we don't lose to a very high margin we manage to clear all bgs even though we fight against r5 fivestars and six stars. I reported this issue to kabam and they told they won't be able to do anything about this. They told almost like it's all based on our luck and they pretty much can't do anything about this. Higher alliances intentionally lose wars during off season to get lower war ratings so that they can demolish lower alliances. So what should the lower alliances do? That's the only thing I'm asking here. Is there any other method than spending tons of revives and boosts to win wars? Even though we use potions and revives they just get the win easily
    16,96,2804 isn’t a real number
    16,962,804
    SpideyFunko said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    I think he might be talking about Alliance Rating @Lormif
    Yes I am
    Again, it is your alliance's total power, it means nothing in war. Your war rating, which is your win loss record is all that matters, as it should be. You can be a low level alliance with 15m and beat a 30m alliance if you have the appropriate skill.
  • GuruYosenGuruYosen Member Posts: 87 ★
    Maybe your team should play better
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  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Gamesbond90 said:

    This comment has nothing to do with OP's post, just clarifying a confusion between rating and PI

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m

    Top alliance have over 70M rating.



    This is PI: Power Index.
    Power index are only champion specific, its the number below any champ.
    He included the word "we", and there is nothing in this game that even comes close to 15M pi.
    Lormif said:


    THAT IS NOT YOUR RATING, that is your total pi, not your war rating.

    YES, THAT IS THIER RATING. He is talking bout total alliance rating.
    Pi has nothing to do with base hero rating of any member or alliance.

    That rating is what he is describing.
    Lormif said:


    I know,

    No you dont!
    Don't spread wrong info.
    None of what I stated was false. Just because I used singlular instead of plural does not make it wrong because I am talking about the alliance, not the group. Your as in the alliances. In addition when talking about WAR the rating we talk about is WAR rating not ALLIANCE rating.
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
    Lormif said:

    Gamesbond90 said:

    This comment has nothing to do with OP's post, just clarifying a confusion between rating and PI

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m

    Top alliance have over 70M rating.



    This is PI: Power Index.
    Power index are only champion specific, its the number below any champ.
    He included the word "we", and there is nothing in this game that even comes close to 15M pi.
    Lormif said:


    THAT IS NOT YOUR RATING, that is your total pi, not your war rating.

    YES, THAT IS THIER RATING. He is talking bout total alliance rating.
    Pi has nothing to do with base hero rating of any member or alliance.

    That rating is what he is describing.
    Lormif said:


    I know,

    No you dont!
    Don't spread wrong info.
    None of what I stated was false. Just because I used singlular instead of plural does not make it wrong because I am talking about the alliance, not the group. Your as in the alliances. In addition when talking about WAR the rating we talk about is WAR rating not ALLIANCE rating.
    U might be right but when u wrote to kabam they told they make match on basis of war rating as well as alliance rating. They told the pool might get bigger if they can't find an alliance with similar war rating as well as alliance rating.
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
    Saakkiller1995 said:

    Lormif said:

    Gamesbond90 said:

    This comment has nothing to do with OP's post, just clarifying a confusion between rating and PI

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m

    Top alliance have over 70M rating.



    This is PI: Power Index.
    Power index are only champion specific, its the number below any champ.
    He included the word "we", and there is nothing in this game that even comes close to 15M pi.
    Lormif said:


    THAT IS NOT YOUR RATING, that is your total pi, not your war rating.

    YES, THAT IS THIER RATING. He is talking bout total alliance rating.
    Pi has nothing to do with base hero rating of any member or alliance.

    That rating is what he is describing.
    Lormif said:


    I know,

    No you dont!
    Don't spread wrong info.
    None of what I stated was false. Just because I used singlular instead of plural does not make it wrong because I am talking about the alliance, not the group. Your as in the alliances. In addition when talking about WAR the rating we talk about is WAR rating not ALLIANCE rating.
    U might be right but when u wrote to kabam they told they make match on basis of war rating as well as alliance rating. They told the pool might get bigger if they can't find an alliance with similar war rating as well as alliance rating.
    When I wrote *
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★
    Gamesbond90 said:

    This comment has nothing to do with OP's post, just clarifying a confusion between rating and PI

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m

    Top alliance have over 70M rating.



    This is PI: Power Index.
    Power index are only champion specific, its the number below any champ.
    He included the word "we", and there is nothing in this game that even comes close to 15M pi.
    Lormif said:


    THAT IS NOT YOUR RATING, that is your total pi, not your war rating.

    YES, THAT IS THIER RATING. He is talking bout total alliance rating.
    Pi has nothing to do with base hero rating of any member or alliance.

    That rating is what he is describing.
    Lormif said:


    I know,

    No you dont!
    Don't spread wrong info.
    Thank you
  • Saakkiller1995Saakkiller1995 Member Posts: 113 ★

    This is the reapons
    This is the response I got so I think alliance rating matters according to them
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  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Gamesbond90 said:

    Lormif said:

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    Lvernon15 said:

    Is war rating similar? If it is it’s fair

    Yes it is similar but how will it be fair if an elephant has a fight with a goat
    Here is the problem with your analogy.

    1) in this game skill can overcome pretty much everything in war.
    2) it is easy to be an elephant posing as a goat. Take an alliances who has all their members sell all their 4* and 3* champs, and recruits 3 newbs, their total alliance "rating" (the total pi for their alliance) will be artificially low. And if sufficiently skilled can gain more 5* shards than they lose out on from dupes, because under the old system they would be fighting ants.

    War rating, your win loss record, accounts for almost all the ways you can manipulate the rating, and in frozen ratings in the off season and it becomes very difficult to manipulate the system.
    This bold part is false information.
    what is false about it, please make sure not to confuse total pi, which is the pi of all your champions together with prestige, which is completely different and limited to only your top 5 champions.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Gamesbond90 said:

    Lormif said:

    Gamesbond90 said:

    This comment has nothing to do with OP's post, just clarifying a confusion between rating and PI

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m

    Top alliance have over 70M rating.



    This is PI: Power Index.
    Power index are only champion specific, its the number below any champ.
    He included the word "we", and there is nothing in this game that even comes close to 15M pi.
    Lormif said:


    THAT IS NOT YOUR RATING, that is your total pi, not your war rating.

    YES, THAT IS THIER RATING. He is talking bout total alliance rating.
    Pi has nothing to do with base hero rating of any member or alliance.

    That rating is what he is describing.
    Lormif said:


    I know,

    No you dont!
    Don't spread wrong info.
    None of what I stated was false. Just because I used singlular instead of plural does not make it wrong because I am talking about the alliance, not the group. Your as in the alliances. In addition when talking about WAR the rating we talk about is WAR rating not ALLIANCE rating.
    When someone mentions 15M ratings, not a single person in community except you take that as war rating and claims it to be 'PI'.
    Even though I agree that nothing else than War rating is considered when it comes to war. But you are wrong to include the word 'PI' in a thread about WAR. Pi has nothing to do with alliance.
    So it's false information.
    Except I didnt take it as war rating, I quite literally stated it is NOT their war rating.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Saakkiller1995 said:


    This is the reapons
    This is the response I got so I think alliance rating matters according to them

    No, they are speaking in general terms. You have your alliance rating, which is total pi. Then you have your war rating, Your "alliances rating" as it relates to war. Could they have been more clear? sure, but their statement is not false unless you forget there are multiple ratings related to your alliance.
  • ItsDamienItsDamien Member Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★
    Saakkiller1995 said:


    This is the reapons
    This is the response I got so I think alliance rating matters according to them

    "Alliance's rating" and "Alliance rating" aren't the same thing. While it might seem confusing, it's clear that "Alliance's rating" in the context of war is your "Alliance's War Rating".

    If English isn't your first language then it might seem the same to you, but context matters, and so do Apostrophes
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    Because it used to be based prestige, which let you climb higher and higher. Now that it’s based on War Rating, you’re probably going to suck

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    Our precise rating is 16, 96,2804. Which means approx 17mil and I mentioned we, the alliance, not a single person. We are fighting thee bgs. We have good players and even when we lose we don't lose to a very high margin we manage to clear all bgs even though we fight against r5 fivestars and six stars. I reported this issue to kabam and they told they won't be able to do anything about this. They told almost like it's all based on our luck and they pretty much can't do anything about this. Higher alliances intentionally lose wars during off season to get lower war ratings so that they can demolish lower alliances. So what should the lower alliances do? That's the only thing I'm asking here. Is there any other method than spending tons of revives and boosts to win wars? Even though we use potions and revives they just get the win easily
    16,96,2804 isn’t a real number
    16,962,804
    SpideyFunko said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    I think he might be talking about Alliance Rating @Lormif
    Yes I am
    Again, it is your alliance's total power, it means nothing in war. Your war rating, which is your win loss record is all that matters, as it should be. You can be a low level alliance with 15m and beat a 30m alliance if you have the appropriate skill.
    Your Alliance's total power matters because it's what the other side's total power has to come up against.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    Lormif said:

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    Because it used to be based prestige, which let you climb higher and higher. Now that it’s based on War Rating, you’re probably going to suck

    Saakkiller1995 said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    Our precise rating is 16, 96,2804. Which means approx 17mil and I mentioned we, the alliance, not a single person. We are fighting thee bgs. We have good players and even when we lose we don't lose to a very high margin we manage to clear all bgs even though we fight against r5 fivestars and six stars. I reported this issue to kabam and they told they won't be able to do anything about this. They told almost like it's all based on our luck and they pretty much can't do anything about this. Higher alliances intentionally lose wars during off season to get lower war ratings so that they can demolish lower alliances. So what should the lower alliances do? That's the only thing I'm asking here. Is there any other method than spending tons of revives and boosts to win wars? Even though we use potions and revives they just get the win easily
    16,96,2804 isn’t a real number
    16,962,804
    SpideyFunko said:

    Lormif said:

    no one has a rating of 15m, you have a total pi of 15m. The only rating that matters is your war rating which is your win/loss, there is no screw up.

    Under the old system you were matched with easier opponents, and therefore allowed an easier time climbing the rankings than larger alliances were, therefore you were ranked too high, the new system is fixing that.

    Also how many BGs are you fighting?

    I think he might be talking about Alliance Rating @Lormif
    Yes I am
    Again, it is your alliance's total power, it means nothing in war. Your war rating, which is your win loss record is all that matters, as it should be. You can be a low level alliance with 15m and beat a 30m alliance if you have the appropriate skill.
    Your Alliance's total power matters because it's what the other side's total power has to come up against.
    It does not matter. A 4* champion can beat a 6* in war if played properly, and likewise you can lose with your 6* against a 4* defender if you play poorly. If you cannot beat a gold 3 alliance there is no way you should be getting gold 2 rewards just because you have a smaller roster, especially since pi can be manipulated.
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