Overhaul Candidates
DrZola
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This is a frequent forums topic, and deservedly so. When I look at the fleet of 6*’s, though, I’m convinced the number of champs who need a complete overhaul isn’t as large as one might think.
When I look at my roster, there are plenty of underperforming champs. But many of them could be improved with basic numbers adjustments or via the addition of a simple buff/debuff/limited immunity type of change. As an example, take Beast: not anywhere near the top of the mutant class, but also not totally irredeemable. Numbers adjustments, maybe a shrug mechanic or the ability to apply some more debuffs (a la MrF) would make him a decent utility champ. But I don’t think that rises to the level of an overhaul.
I also don’t believe the purpose of an overhaul should be to make a champ one of the best overall in the game. Rather, the goal should be to bring a champ into the current state of the game and make them a viable choice for at least some of the current content.
So here’s my list of top overhaul candidates by class. I’m sure opinions will differ—but these are the most urgent in my opinion and in most cases the most long suffering.
Skill
Karnak
OGBP
Cosmic
Groot
SIM
Drax
Mystic
Iron Fist
Juggs
Science
Joe Fixit
Ant-Man
OG Spidey
(Miles is omitted because he is a certain overhaul case)
Tech
Iron Patriot
Howard the Duck
OGIM
Mutant
Unpopular opinion I’m sure, but I’m not convinced any mutant needs a total overhaul. Both Cykes and DPX would be top of list for me if anyone, but I tend to think values updates and minor tweaks could make those champs useful again. I wouldn’t object to an overhaul—but I think the mutant class generally is a strong one top to bottom.
Dr. Zola
When I look at my roster, there are plenty of underperforming champs. But many of them could be improved with basic numbers adjustments or via the addition of a simple buff/debuff/limited immunity type of change. As an example, take Beast: not anywhere near the top of the mutant class, but also not totally irredeemable. Numbers adjustments, maybe a shrug mechanic or the ability to apply some more debuffs (a la MrF) would make him a decent utility champ. But I don’t think that rises to the level of an overhaul.
I also don’t believe the purpose of an overhaul should be to make a champ one of the best overall in the game. Rather, the goal should be to bring a champ into the current state of the game and make them a viable choice for at least some of the current content.
So here’s my list of top overhaul candidates by class. I’m sure opinions will differ—but these are the most urgent in my opinion and in most cases the most long suffering.
Skill
Karnak
OGBP
Cosmic
Groot
SIM
Drax
Mystic
Iron Fist
Juggs
Science
Joe Fixit
Ant-Man
OG Spidey
(Miles is omitted because he is a certain overhaul case)
Tech
Iron Patriot
Howard the Duck
OGIM
Mutant
Unpopular opinion I’m sure, but I’m not convinced any mutant needs a total overhaul. Both Cykes and DPX would be top of list for me if anyone, but I tend to think values updates and minor tweaks could make those champs useful again. I wouldn’t object to an overhaul—but I think the mutant class generally is a strong one top to bottom.
Dr. Zola
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also knew you would choose beast for your example
Dr. Zola
Dr. Zola
As for side note, Ebony Maw is one of the best value update candidate as if played right you can end entire fights without getting touched even once (except miss counters). Also he's got a bit of power gain as well as good nullify and degeneration as DOT to which no one is naturally immune to. He just hit so weak that fights take eternity. With a good value update, Maw will be able to transcend reality and take his rightful place as the master of his Mighty herald Terrax!!!
Dr. Zola
Certainly, they need more than a value update only. But I think the basic moveset with a few added kit pieces (which would need to be different for OG vs. WW2) could make them viable.
Dr. Zola
Beast when high sig from what I remember has a decent healing ability. His lack of damage is the thing that probably has left him behind. I'd like to see him have an increased bleed ability, maybe can gain a passive fury or two and have an increased ability accuracy against debuff shrugs from skill heros. That would be unique and a good counter to the likes of Mole Man, King Pin and some of the others in the class.
As for the classes and reworks, I agree mostly with your list.
Cosmic, would benefit from the two Cap Marvels getting some sort of tweak. Kamala perhaps extended fury buffs. Groot would be the most needed though. Drax could use something extra and Ronan would be fun if he could have a little extra source for damage and perhaps build some of that Cosmic Tree Mastery into his kit where he can ignore armor the higher his combo or something.
Mystic, Iron fist could add a bit more utility on nullifying buffs and a chi mechanic that build up his power for damage or can be used to heal. Dr Strange, please fix back to pre 12.0.
Tech, War Machine is very outdated. I think Both Visions could use something similar to the Warlock and Aarkus synergies. They shouldn't hit like wet noodles. Ultron's would be nice as well.
Skill, Both Black Panthers would be good, Give Hawkeye 3 different arrow types that you can switch through, A small tweak to WS giving his power drain more consistency and longer more powerful fury buff. Karnaks SP1 needs some damage and just really his damage overall other than that he has cool abilities.
Science, Hulk and Fix it are number one on my list, Spider-Man and Caps two.
Mutant, Has to be both Cyclops at this point.
Kabam could instantly fix 6 OG Hero's if they put the infinity gauntlet buffs back on them. Hulk, Ironman, Cap, Black Widow, Hawkeye. I think Thor may have had a buff in there as well. Even if they toned down those buffs they were really good but sadly only used for 1 month.
I also personally don’t like the fight style of Black Panther (Civil War), deeply unsatisfying. And Red Skull was very disappointing when he was released. His glass Armor Ups alone make me avoid him. I don’t want a synergy for this fix; there needs to be a completely different solution to this problem.
Those would all be good additions, especially with updates that differentiate them from the primary version.
Good ideas...
Dr. Zola
I am in the camp of curating the list of champs. It’s a different discussion for another day. Plus Kabam is set on releasing their 2015 models with their 2016-2021 models for every star rarity. If they were a car company, even without the pandemic, they would belly up. Terrible business model.
Skill
Karnak
Agent Venom
OG Daredevil
Science
Sentry
Miles Morales*
Ant-man
Tech
Iron Patriot
War Machine
Green Goblin
Cosmic
Superior Iron Man
Groot
Phoenix
Mystic
Juggernaut
Iron Fist
Dr Strange
Mutant
Beast
Rogue
Psylocke
He should gain buffs like Venom and Carnage I feel.
Now I think he should be in there... but not above the other two, they have to be on a list.
Especially if you leave off og cap in the science bracket.
And I do agree that some champs mentioned by @Moosetiptronic and @JragonMaster170 are surely on the list somewhere. I simply thought they would be able to be made relevant via less intrusive means.
When I think about the type of changes that would help those kind of champs, I look to Masacre for a blueprint. Granted, he was better before his buff than either Elektra or MK now. But with the addition of Disorient and quicker incinerates, he’s significantly better and more fun to play. Consider similar upgrades for Elektra and MK that harness AAR, stronger DoT and other debuffs and you can see how they would become someone you might actually reach for now and then.
Most importantly—thanks for taking time to discuss.
Dr. Zola
other than that good list