Why is Diablo taking poison damage?

ShinyuuShinyuu Member Posts: 284 ★★★
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So a few wars back I noticed something my Diablo started getting damaged from poison on the hazard shift node. Which I've taken with Diablo before. So my alliance started doing testing. Couldn't find a hazard shift node to test it on but they did try a basic fight Diablo VS Diablo and as you can see he's taking damage from poison. So this bug needs to be fixed ASAP @Kabam Miike

I have the full video but it said it doesn't support the format

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  • LibertyPrimeV1LibertyPrimeV1 Member Posts: 4,179 ★★★★★
    Any Nodes/Abilities that Boost Poison (and in SS's Case Incinerate) Potency beyond it's Base 100% will ignore the -100% Resistance Abilities because it's being unnaturally pushed past that Base 100%.

    That's why some champions like Gambit have -150% Bleed Resistance, that'll also reduce the effect of the Enhanced Bleed Node for example which Increases Bleed Debuff Potency by 40% on top of the Base 100%.


    In a Diablo vs Diablo fight each Concoction increases Poison Potency by 10% Each, therefore it would go Beyond the opposing Diablo's -100% Resistance to 110% and so on for each Concoction.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    Winter soldier doesn’t enhance poison abilities.

    When you fight Diablo, he does.

    Diablo takes -100% poison damage, but that’s not 100% of all poison damage, the way the game works is it’s minus a flat amount. So in this situation 100 - 100 = 0 and it’s not 100% -(100% x 100) = 0.

    That seems like a weird distinction, but this is why it matters:

    When you fight winter soldier, the poison damage you do to yourself is just the regular 100%, and Diablo minuses 100% of it making it 100-100 = 0 damage. However, when you fight Diablo, each unused ingredient grants 2 vials of might, increasing poison damage by +10% each. So if Diablo has 6 vials of might, the poison damage does 60% increased potency, for a total of 160% potency.

    So what this means is Diablo takes 160% - 100 % potency = 60% poison damage. So that’s why you still take damage.

    The same happens with Silver surfer taking incinerate damage too

  • LibertyPrimeV1LibertyPrimeV1 Member Posts: 4,179 ★★★★★
    LibertyPrimeV1 said:

    Any Nodes/Abilities that Boost Poison (and in SS's Case Incinerate) Potency beyond it's Base 100% will ignore the -100% Resistance Abilities because it's being unnaturally pushed past that Base 100%.

    That's why some champions like Gambit have -150% Bleed Resistance, that'll also reduce the effect of the Enhanced Bleed Node for example which Increases Bleed Debuff Potency by 40% on top of the Base 100%.


    In a Diablo vs Diablo fight each Concoction increases Poison Potency by 10% Each, therefore it would go Beyond the opposing Diablo's -100% Resistance to 110% and so on for each Concoction.

    Not saying there isn't a potential Bug in some interaction somewhere else, but the examples you gave of Silver Surfer Incinerate Resist and Diablo vs Diablo are inherently flawed.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,015 ★★★★★
    Willpower ... Thats a mastery
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  • ItsDamienItsDamien Member Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★
    Shinyuu said:

    Then why is he healing with 2 poisons on him?

    Because the poison POTENCY isn't over 100%. You could but 10 100% poisons on him and he'll heal. But one poison with 110% potency will cause him to take poison damage.
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  • TrashyPandaTrashyPanda Member Posts: 1,574 ★★★★★
    It's as they say. On a related note, don't use Ibom against Diablo. That was a rough lesson. Diablo against Ibom otoh...
  • Mathking13Mathking13 Member Posts: 988 ★★★
    edited September 2021
    tl;dr 101-100 does not equal 0.

    quik mafs bro


  • LibertyPrimeV1LibertyPrimeV1 Member Posts: 4,179 ★★★★★
    Shinyuu said:

    Then why is he healing with 2 poisons on him?

    Because that's 2 Separate Poisons Each with their own 100% Base Potency, 1 Poison does not increase another Poison's Potency they stack on top of each other as separate amounts.
  • Agent_X_zzzAgent_X_zzz Member Posts: 4,498 ★★★★★
    Shinyuu said:

    And Surfer is taking incinerate damage now also.

    Please read abilities
  • NickChiNickChi Member Posts: 111 ★
    Diablo damage is meh, but he is a poison god. +10% potency btw
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