Angela sig not working as worded

SilentKissSilentKiss Member Posts: 138 ★
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Just fought Ibom. Max sig Angela vs sig 80 ibom. At 4 buffs she is still having poison linger. Thats 140% to damage taking debuffs vs 28% debuff increase. Should be 0 poison damage. A

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  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    What are the nodes?
  • SilentKissSilentKiss Member Posts: 138 ★
    Power snack. Which is why I only had 4 buff. At least the powersnack fails as it is supposed too, and node 32

  • SilentKissSilentKiss Member Posts: 138 ★
    I also dont agree with powersnack taking Angelas prefight buffs from
    Odin. Prefight meaning I start the fight with. But it is what it is


  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,469 ★★★★★
    So just tested this in cav eq with my 145 sig angela and mines working as it should 5+ buffs no poisons for u it seems u must have lost the buffs and u didnt have 4 since works completely fine
  • SilentKissSilentKiss Member Posts: 138 ★

    @Bendy come again?
  • SilentKissSilentKiss Member Posts: 138 ★
    edited September 2021
    @Bendy said I had 4 on power snack. Thats 140% vs 128% duration
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,469 ★★★★★
    edited September 2021
    SilentKiss said:

    @Bendy said I had 4 on power snack. Thats 140% vs 128% duration

    Must be increased duration on that node than just power snack as i went into cav eq and 4 buffs against 25% extra worked and mines only sig 145

    Edit: other than that im not sure why urs aint working its like theres extra duration on extra duration somewhere thats making it more if odins buffs were active then im sure there wouldnt be a problem but i am really not sure whats going on, what device do u play on by any chance
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    BitterSteel said:

    SilentKiss said:

    @magnus_xix ok that would make more since. I appreciate the clarity. Still not mathematically correct but this is Kabam. So ty.

    So I’m not a million percent sure, but what I would guess is that it works similar to extra ability accuracy and extra potency with resistances.

    If Angela reduces duration by 100%, then that means what the mathematical sum is, is this:

    Debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration = 0

    Let’s say the debuff lasts 10 seconds.

    10 - 100% of 10 = 0

    Straight forward, I know. But if that debuff duration has increased duration, then I imagine the sum turns into this

    increased duration amount * debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration

    I’d imagine Angela only reduces the duration by its original value, and not the new increased one. So if we had an increased duration of 30%, we would have the following sum:

    130% of 10 - 100% of 10 = 13 - 10 = 3

    So that’s why Angela can still have duration of a debuff.


    Now what I don’t get, is that with a sig 200 Angela, you have 35% reduced duration with each buff, meaning 140% total reduction with the 4 buffs.

    And this Abom you fought has 22% increased duration. Meaning it should be

    122% of debuff - 140% of debuff = 0 duration.

    So I have two theories. One, you didn’t have 4 buffs when the poisons triggered, and if you did trigger them with 4 buffs then they would have 0 duration. But just correct me if that’s not true. Or two, Angela’s reduction doesn’t increase above 100%. So 3 buffs is 100%, 4 buffs is 100% etc etc. I mean i guess also it could be bugged, but I’m not sure.



    It stacks higher than 100% for sure as tested in cav eq where its a sig 120 with 25% extra and 4 buffs-5 negated it but i think u can be onto something that the poison triggered before the buffs which looking back poison is at the start not after the buffs so seems u are correct that poison was active before the buffs
    I would imagine it should stack above 100%, we can have more than 100% ability accuracy, more than 100% resistance. I’d be really surprised if it didn’t stack above 100%.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,469 ★★★★★
    BitterSteel said:

    Bendy said:

    BitterSteel said:

    SilentKiss said:

    @magnus_xix ok that would make more since. I appreciate the clarity. Still not mathematically correct but this is Kabam. So ty.

    So I’m not a million percent sure, but what I would guess is that it works similar to extra ability accuracy and extra potency with resistances.

    If Angela reduces duration by 100%, then that means what the mathematical sum is, is this:

    Debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration = 0

    Let’s say the debuff lasts 10 seconds.

    10 - 100% of 10 = 0

    Straight forward, I know. But if that debuff duration has increased duration, then I imagine the sum turns into this

    increased duration amount * debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration

    I’d imagine Angela only reduces the duration by its original value, and not the new increased one. So if we had an increased duration of 30%, we would have the following sum:

    130% of 10 - 100% of 10 = 13 - 10 = 3

    So that’s why Angela can still have duration of a debuff.


    Now what I don’t get, is that with a sig 200 Angela, you have 35% reduced duration with each buff, meaning 140% total reduction with the 4 buffs.

    And this Abom you fought has 22% increased duration. Meaning it should be

    122% of debuff - 140% of debuff = 0 duration.

    So I have two theories. One, you didn’t have 4 buffs when the poisons triggered, and if you did trigger them with 4 buffs then they would have 0 duration. But just correct me if that’s not true. Or two, Angela’s reduction doesn’t increase above 100%. So 3 buffs is 100%, 4 buffs is 100% etc etc. I mean i guess also it could be bugged, but I’m not sure.



    It stacks higher than 100% for sure as tested in cav eq where its a sig 120 with 25% extra and 4 buffs-5 negated it but i think u can be onto something that the poison triggered before the buffs which looking back poison is at the start not after the buffs so seems u are correct that poison was active before the buffs
    I would imagine it should stack above 100%, we can have more than 100% ability accuracy, more than 100% resistance. I’d be really surprised if it didn’t stack above 100%.
    Yeah for sure would suck but if they capped debuff reduction they should cap debuff duration so makes it fair but if u look at the pic i was tagged in it does show 0 buffs at start as power snack then bleed and 3 poisons meaning most likely actives before the buffs which would make duration as u said the full length
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    BitterSteel said:

    Bendy said:

    BitterSteel said:

    SilentKiss said:

    @magnus_xix ok that would make more since. I appreciate the clarity. Still not mathematically correct but this is Kabam. So ty.

    So I’m not a million percent sure, but what I would guess is that it works similar to extra ability accuracy and extra potency with resistances.

    If Angela reduces duration by 100%, then that means what the mathematical sum is, is this:

    Debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration = 0

    Let’s say the debuff lasts 10 seconds.

    10 - 100% of 10 = 0

    Straight forward, I know. But if that debuff duration has increased duration, then I imagine the sum turns into this

    increased duration amount * debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration

    I’d imagine Angela only reduces the duration by its original value, and not the new increased one. So if we had an increased duration of 30%, we would have the following sum:

    130% of 10 - 100% of 10 = 13 - 10 = 3

    So that’s why Angela can still have duration of a debuff.


    Now what I don’t get, is that with a sig 200 Angela, you have 35% reduced duration with each buff, meaning 140% total reduction with the 4 buffs.

    And this Abom you fought has 22% increased duration. Meaning it should be

    122% of debuff - 140% of debuff = 0 duration.

    So I have two theories. One, you didn’t have 4 buffs when the poisons triggered, and if you did trigger them with 4 buffs then they would have 0 duration. But just correct me if that’s not true. Or two, Angela’s reduction doesn’t increase above 100%. So 3 buffs is 100%, 4 buffs is 100% etc etc. I mean i guess also it could be bugged, but I’m not sure.



    It stacks higher than 100% for sure as tested in cav eq where its a sig 120 with 25% extra and 4 buffs-5 negated it but i think u can be onto something that the poison triggered before the buffs which looking back poison is at the start not after the buffs so seems u are correct that poison was active before the buffs
    I would imagine it should stack above 100%, we can have more than 100% ability accuracy, more than 100% resistance. I’d be really surprised if it didn’t stack above 100%.
    Yeah for sure would suck but if they capped debuff reduction they should cap debuff duration so makes it fair but if u look at the pic i was tagged in it does show 0 buffs at start as power snack then bleed and 3 poisons meaning most likely actives before the buffs which would make duration as u said the full length
    Yeah, from what it looks like in the picture there are 4 buffs currently up

    The two fury buffs were probably triggered recently, since he’s only just above a bar of power. That means he likely had an armour up buff from being below 1 bar of power, an armour up buff that you can still see on the screenshot and potentially a regen. That’s looking like 3 buffs when those poisons were triggered.

    I’d also guess that the poisons were what triggered the regen, by taking off some of Angela’s health. Based on the around 3 seconds of regen duration left, meaning it occurred 7 seconds ago. And the duration of poison remaining means (based on some quick maths) that just over 25% duration of the poison gone means it’s been ticking for over 7.6 seconds with a 30.5 total second duration. So if the poison has been ticking longer than the regen, then that means the regen buff wasn’t there when the poison triggered.

    Then it seems like only the two armour buffs would have been active, so there was only a 70% duration reduction.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,469 ★★★★★
    edited September 2021
    BitterSteel said:

    Bendy said:

    BitterSteel said:

    Bendy said:

    BitterSteel said:

    SilentKiss said:

    @magnus_xix ok that would make more since. I appreciate the clarity. Still not mathematically correct but this is Kabam. So ty.

    So I’m not a million percent sure, but what I would guess is that it works similar to extra ability accuracy and extra potency with resistances.

    If Angela reduces duration by 100%, then that means what the mathematical sum is, is this:

    Debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration = 0

    Let’s say the debuff lasts 10 seconds.

    10 - 100% of 10 = 0

    Straight forward, I know. But if that debuff duration has increased duration, then I imagine the sum turns into this

    increased duration amount * debuff duration - 100% of debuff duration

    I’d imagine Angela only reduces the duration by its original value, and not the new increased one. So if we had an increased duration of 30%, we would have the following sum:

    130% of 10 - 100% of 10 = 13 - 10 = 3

    So that’s why Angela can still have duration of a debuff.


    Now what I don’t get, is that with a sig 200 Angela, you have 35% reduced duration with each buff, meaning 140% total reduction with the 4 buffs.

    And this Abom you fought has 22% increased duration. Meaning it should be

    122% of debuff - 140% of debuff = 0 duration.

    So I have two theories. One, you didn’t have 4 buffs when the poisons triggered, and if you did trigger them with 4 buffs then they would have 0 duration. But just correct me if that’s not true. Or two, Angela’s reduction doesn’t increase above 100%. So 3 buffs is 100%, 4 buffs is 100% etc etc. I mean i guess also it could be bugged, but I’m not sure.



    It stacks higher than 100% for sure as tested in cav eq where its a sig 120 with 25% extra and 4 buffs-5 negated it but i think u can be onto something that the poison triggered before the buffs which looking back poison is at the start not after the buffs so seems u are correct that poison was active before the buffs
    I would imagine it should stack above 100%, we can have more than 100% ability accuracy, more than 100% resistance. I’d be really surprised if it didn’t stack above 100%.
    Yeah for sure would suck but if they capped debuff reduction they should cap debuff duration so makes it fair but if u look at the pic i was tagged in it does show 0 buffs at start as power snack then bleed and 3 poisons meaning most likely actives before the buffs which would make duration as u said the full length
    Yeah, from what it looks like in the picture there are 4 buffs currently up

    The two fury buffs were probably triggered recently, since he’s only just above a bar of power. That means he likely had an armour up buff from being below 1 bar of power, an armour up buff that you can still see on the screenshot and potentially a regen. That’s looking like 3 buffs when those poisons were triggered.

    I’d also guess that the poisons were what triggered the regen, by taking off some of Angela’s health. Based on the around 3 seconds of regen duration left, meaning it occurred 7 seconds ago. And the duration of poison remaining means (based on some quick maths) that just over 25% duration of the poison gone means it’s been ticking for over 7.6 seconds with a 30.5 total second duration. So if the poison has been ticking longer than the regen, then that means the regen buff wasn’t there when the poison triggered.

    Then it seems like only the two armour buffs would have been active, so there was only a 70% duration reduction.
    Yeah most likely what has happened

    Esit also if the poisons did trigger the regen and he only just had fury buffs active it would mean there be only 35% duration missing from the 123% of aboms so still around 70% duration that can be reduced if poisons were triggered after the armor buff
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