**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Next Month's Buffs?
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The response to the thread was weeks after the requests started - so the excuses that the buff program is a certain way and the priorities of the company (albeit maybe true) are just that. Why did it take so long to elicit a response and allow us to hope for something? It’s terrible terrible forum management by the spokespeople.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - while the vision and developer priorities are what they are, the fact that Kabam can’t have civil interactions with people who have legitimate concerns keeps the company from reaching its full potential.
WE - the community - are the ones who pay money for this game. Whatever artistic liberties Kabam takes to do what they feel in the game are just that.
A blanket statement that a champion won’t be adjusted and the administrative closing of a thread that the company doesn’t like - is bad business. Especially on a Saturday which means you’ve been reading these for weeks and have waited until now to respond and close the thread?
I can’t express how bad the customer relations appear to be, with the expectation that the community needs to just accept things for the way they are.
If there was a phone number available I’d call to speak to an adult, but none is listed as the way to manage phone calls is to just eliminate the middle man - just like closing the thread.
If you really believe that that's the problem, that they can't communicate like an adult, then by all means like I've said before, if you want to see this dramatic change in tone throughout the company and how it approaches the community, then please.. I'm begging you, I'm pleading with you, go fill out the application and get up to Canada and see if you can do it better because that's the only way we're ever going to see any change that people are demanding we see.
I'm tired of this US versus THEM mentality and I am tired of this imaginary War for something as frankly stupid as percentages and how no one can actually agree on what it is they want so we're fighting over that as well. I care about the game and everyone both behind the scenes and in the community who played and I just want everyone to be on that same page so we can be something great and it could be one of those games that lasts for as long as humanly possible and continues to grow and change with the Next Generation. But it's all on us working together.
I know it seems simple to just tweak numbers and pump out updates, but since this game is built as something that requires a lot of commitment and investment in characters, a nerf can be a really huge thing for the game. We still talk about 12.0 years on. We still have claims that nerfs have occurred for relatively small changes.
I mean, take for example the Hercules synergy change with hawkeye, 40% down to 20% reduction. And people were annoyed about it a change like that. Rightly or wrongly, whether it’s about the communication or the change itself, nerfs are big talking points in the community. Or a small change like Drax no longer bypassing drax astral evade, that’s a very small interaction in the grand scheme of things, but it’s the principle of change. This game isn’t built on lots of alterations and nerfs because we invest items, money and time we can never get back.
If a buff was rushed out, even a small tweak to stats could cause a massively unintended benefit to a champ, and what if Kabam decided that was too much and needed to be changed. There would be an uproar, rank down tickets thread would be back like its 2017.
And are you going to be the one to tell someone who grinded 3 days in arena for the buffed selector that they can use a rank down ticket on someone they wasted a weekend on, because their buff was rushed out and there was an issue?
It’s much, much better to take time with buffs and get them right, than rush out buffs without enough testing. There are a lot of consequences to it that we can’t know.
Not to mention, that tweaking numbers for tune ups is rarely just adding crit rate or furies. That sounds like a very simple tune up to me. Like a nova level tune up. I’d rather they put in the time to figure out some good buffs, test them properly and release them.
Anyway, indeed bad things can happen if changes are rushed out without any sort of testing.
It’s less about the percentages or about a champ like DDHK.
It’s about how we’re treated. Silence silence silence and then closed thread.
No discussion. No dialogue. Nothing.
There are two ways to look at this. The way I do is a realistic customer - company relationship.
This is what I want - is this possible? If the game was not filled with Marvel characters and just a general game with made up people, would we care? No. If you replaced DDHK with “Bob”, nobody would care about his regen.
That’s a worthwhile discussion. Everything doesn’t have to be contrarian to show how smart someone is.
It’s a problem. Fix it. Done and move on.
We can’t and this is why in a constructive manner.
I feel we’re treated like children. It’s how I feel. I don’t hold it against anyone else who feels differently.
The apologist way is the same as someone driving 30 MPH in a 55 thinking they trooper will like them more.
Yes, let’s work together - but it must be to solve a problem - not to argue who’s smarter. Solve the problem. We try to all be right instead of solving the problem.
No wonder we can’t work together.
Talk. Discuss. Don’t just hit a button.
As for the buff program, they've told us they're looking at ways to improve it, but their decisions and processes are up to their own discretion. We participated in choosing a buff, and we all saw how that went. I'm not saying they don't listen to us or that our thoughts aren't valued. I'm saying they make their own decisions and they don't comment on things like that until they're certain and ready to release the news.
What Miike did was let us know that nothing was planned at this time. There was a movement even after they respectfully told us they would be taking a month off for the Holidays, and to be frank, persisting isn't going to change that outcome. They communicated to us where they were at. We can't fault the process of communication if we don't like the outcome of the response. They don't even usually mention much of anything in these cases because of these reactions, but he was giving a heads up for expectations.
I can't help but feeling like the reaction to Miike's post in the thread is partly just not hearing what you wanted to hear. I don't think Miike had any way to come into that thread and tell you guys DDNF wasn't being looked at without it being a crushing disappointment. One that I can completely and utterly empathise with, I know how strongly you guys made your case and I loved seeing the positivity and constructive way you made it. To hear nothing would come from it would have been a great shame. I just think that Miike came and gave you guys the time of day, explained again that not every buff would be as impactful to each champion and said nothing was going to change. What more could he have done?
You say that how could they let you have hope and crush it weeks later, but surely a post 2 weeks ago from Miike saying "Hi guys, I'm gonna ask the team about this", would have encouraged you to hope even more than the silence did. And perhaps they needed those 3 weeks to properly discuss it. Who knows? What I'm saying is, I just feel like however this news was given to you, it would have ended the same way, disappointment that DD wasn't getting a buff.
When you say work together, what do you mean? I feel like we are working together right now, we are discussing what we believe is best for the game. I believe that DDHK doesn't necessarily need a buff and he's fine where he is, I think Kabam's time is better spent on a new champion for a buff. We have had 35 buffs so far, and there's a good 90 odd to go. If, any time a buff didn't quite hit the mark to your satisfaction, they needed a re-buff then we will be buffing and rebuffing champs for eternity. So what's the line for a champion to be rebuffed? DDHK is a solid, usable champion with flaws yes, but usable and solid in my eyes, and a few people's eyes that I know. So where is the line? Clearly, Kabam see the line much lower than you do, but that doesn't make it wrong. The point where we disagree, clearly, is whether DD needs a buff or not. But that's an opinion at the end of the day, what makes you right? I think he's been made better than before, meeting the aim of the buff program to increase the uses for a champion.
So I feel like we are working together now, we discuss, we put our viewpoints forward and Kabam make a decision. That's happened, and they decided that DDHK didn't need a buff. I tend to agree with that. So I'm confused how you seem to think we aren't working together, if this isn't working together then what is? I know you don't want us to just agree with you out of nowhere, for no reason, because that doesn't help anyone.
Player feedback is very valuable to us and something we take to heart for many of our decisions, but our designers also have their own plans and priorities and work very hard on their designs to make sure they fit into the rest of the Game of The Contest.