Everyone....save this for this season BG meta . Kudos to the guy who made this .

Rohit_316Rohit_316 Member Posts: 3,415 ★★★★★
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Charles Wung thanks for the infographic . Will help a lot this season ✌️💥

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  • Noob_Master69Noob_Master69 Member Posts: 700 ★★★★
    Great and useful infographic that I'll defintely be using, small problems with it that are worth mentioning.

    It's basically impossible with Warlock to get to an SP2 before the Power Burn kicks in(unless I'm missing something)
    Some champs like Terrax and Venom are only Power Burn immune against certain champs (Metal and Tech)
    And probably more issues like that so be sure to still check if your champs work!
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,440 ★★★★★
    SpideyFunko said:

    All aarkus does is reduce its potency by 80%- helpful, for sure, but not immune

    I had to take a Colossus fight with Aarkus (I know it’s a bad matchup, didn’t have better options and I pulled it off) and I was still taking damage slightly faster than I was dealing it.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,955 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    All aarkus does is reduce its potency by 80%- helpful, for sure, but not immune

    I had to take a Colossus fight with Aarkus (I know it’s a bad matchup, didn’t have better options and I pulled it off) and I was still taking damage slightly faster than I was dealing it.
    It’s in his description, and coupled with the armor breaks i figured i’d use him on attack this season

    I was taking less damage myself, might be a condition with Colossus?
  • TheZebraKingTheZebraKing Member Posts: 9 ★
    Good list. Whatever way you look at it there are still 79 (by my count) different champs listed here that counter the current Victory Track nodes to a varying degree.

    But obviously battlegrounds is too hard this month ;)
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,440 ★★★★★
    edited January 2023
    SpideyFunko said:

    Wicket329 said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    All aarkus does is reduce its potency by 80%- helpful, for sure, but not immune

    I had to take a Colossus fight with Aarkus (I know it’s a bad matchup, didn’t have better options and I pulled it off) and I was still taking damage slightly faster than I was dealing it.
    It’s in his description, and coupled with the armor breaks i figured i’d use him on attack this season

    I was taking less damage myself, might be a condition with Colossus?
    I was just using my experience to say that Aarkus is not the move in armor break immune matchups. If the opponent can be armor broken, he’s still got tremendous value.
  • Maxwell2454Maxwell2454 Member Posts: 100 ★★
    Thanks for this might give bg another go at it
  • Salve_maker05Salve_maker05 Member Posts: 423 ★★★
    I also highly recommend Knull. He basically shuts down the node it’s great
  • OrtounOrtoun Member Posts: 892 ★★★★
    Doesn't have any of the neutralize champs, but they aren't the greatest since hit me doesn't reset after 10 while neutralize is active, but they are still better then not having any option. Also Wican is fairly decent as attacker (with neutralize) or defender (armor breaks immune) this season
  • Skiddy212Skiddy212 Member Posts: 1,101 ★★★★
    Awesome and helpful
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,584 ★★★★★
    Gotta add a fate seal category too.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,010 Guardian
    Wicket329 said:

    The power burn immunity section is not accurate at all.

    Air Walker is not power burn immune, he just inflicts three of his dark tide debuffs when power burned.

    IMIW is not power burn immune. He gains 18% power burn resistance per active armor effect, so you’d need 6 armors for him to become fully immune. The odds of getting those are incredibly slim, and near impossible in just 10 hits.

    Venom and Venompool are only power burn immune in tech matchups. Terrax is only power burn immune against metal champions. Annihilus is only power burn while his cosmic control buff is active.

    Aarkus is just straight not power burn immune. He still very much takes damage when attacking into enemies with armor up buffs.

    Hulkling, Galan, King Groot, and Red Goblin are the only champions who are fully and unconditionally power burn immune. Others just have conditional immunities (still useful!), resistances, or interactions that don’t stop you from taking damage.

    There's a good reason the power burn immunity section has 2 lines. Yes it would be better if it said conditional immunity or resistant, so the only inaccurate line is air walker because everyone else on the first line is 100% immune to power burn.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,010 Guardian
    Wicket329 said:

    Pikolu said:

    Wicket329 said:

    The power burn immunity section is not accurate at all.

    Air Walker is not power burn immune, he just inflicts three of his dark tide debuffs when power burned.

    IMIW is not power burn immune. He gains 18% power burn resistance per active armor effect, so you’d need 6 armors for him to become fully immune. The odds of getting those are incredibly slim, and near impossible in just 10 hits.

    Venom and Venompool are only power burn immune in tech matchups. Terrax is only power burn immune against metal champions. Annihilus is only power burn while his cosmic control buff is active.

    Aarkus is just straight not power burn immune. He still very much takes damage when attacking into enemies with armor up buffs.

    Hulkling, Galan, King Groot, and Red Goblin are the only champions who are fully and unconditionally power burn immune. Others just have conditional immunities (still useful!), resistances, or interactions that don’t stop you from taking damage.

    There's a good reason the power burn immunity section has 2 lines. Yes it would be better if it said conditional immunity or resistant, so the only inaccurate line is air walker because everyone else on the first line is 100% immune to power burn.
    Except Annihilus whose immunity is tied to his cosmic control rod buff. In most matchups that isn’t too much of an issue, but it needs to be made clear. Especially with so many mystic champs currently in play with this meta. And if I remember correctly armor breaks remove it too (because the buff is coded to be removed whenever a nullify is attempted and it reads armor break as an ability which attempts to nullify armor ups, even if they don’t exist on Annihilus), which is another common utility in this meta.

    It feels like somebody just searched through champion abilities for the words “power burn” or “armor break” and slapped them on this list. For example, Carnage is listed as an armor break option. Carnage only applies armor break if the opponent is bleed immune.

    Additionally, several of the armor break and nullify champs just have it as a percentage chance on basic or special attacks and it is not guaranteed. That is not what you want to be relying on in Battlegrounds. You want to have dependable interactions so you don’t eat power burn damage or find yourself locked down having to dance around for 30 seconds for the armor up buff to expire.

    If you rely on this chart without reading up on champion abilities yourself, it’s going to end badly for you.
    Then let people learn and read. If you dislike it sooooo much, make your own infographic and add all the small details and grievances you've listed. It is a better outlet than just complaining and doing nothing yourself.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,955 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    Wicket329 said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    All aarkus does is reduce its potency by 80%- helpful, for sure, but not immune

    I had to take a Colossus fight with Aarkus (I know it’s a bad matchup, didn’t have better options and I pulled it off) and I was still taking damage slightly faster than I was dealing it.
    It’s in his description, and coupled with the armor breaks i figured i’d use him on attack this season

    I was taking less damage myself, might be a condition with Colossus?
    I was just using my experience to say that Aarkus is not the move in armor break immune matchups. If the opponent can be armor broken, he’s still got tremendous value.
    Totally- I would never recommend not using him in armor break immune matchups anyways, as his damage greatly benefits from it
  • Prince_vingador1Prince_vingador1 Member Posts: 54 ★
    Lol , pliz if u dont understand the game, why post this?
    There r too many mistakes about the champs.
  • Noise72Noise72 Member Posts: 337 ★★★
    Where is longshot?
  • spidyjedi84spidyjedi84 Member Posts: 419 ★★★
    Add Miles Morales Spider-Man as a great defender, as his invisibility and the armor buff/enticing you to hit him make him damn tricky to easily down without a decent counter.
  • XxLoOhNuTiCkxXXxLoOhNuTiCkxX Member Posts: 68 ★
    Gorr also regens back to full health if done correctly from the power burn.
  • Noob_Master69Noob_Master69 Member Posts: 700 ★★★★
    World Eater said:

    Noob_Master69 said:

    Great and useful infographic that I'll defintely be using, small problems with it that are worth mentioning.

    It's basically impossible with Warlock to get to an SP2 before the Power Burn kicks in(unless I'm missing something)
    Some champs like Terrax and Venom are only Power Burn immune against certain champs (Metal and Tech)
    And probably more issues like that so be sure to still check if your champs work!

    Parry heavy can get you to an L2 with Warlock. Heavies gain more power than basic attacks.

    Infographic is really cool although Iceman and Odin aren’t shown as those who have an armor up buff.
    Good call, I completely forgot about that tbh!
  • Crine60Crine60 Member Posts: 1,446 ★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Wicket329 said:

    Pikolu said:

    Wicket329 said:

    The power burn immunity section is not accurate at all.

    Air Walker is not power burn immune, he just inflicts three of his dark tide debuffs when power burned.

    IMIW is not power burn immune. He gains 18% power burn resistance per active armor effect, so you’d need 6 armors for him to become fully immune. The odds of getting those are incredibly slim, and near impossible in just 10 hits.

    Venom and Venompool are only power burn immune in tech matchups. Terrax is only power burn immune against metal champions. Annihilus is only power burn while his cosmic control buff is active.

    Aarkus is just straight not power burn immune. He still very much takes damage when attacking into enemies with armor up buffs.

    Hulkling, Galan, King Groot, and Red Goblin are the only champions who are fully and unconditionally power burn immune. Others just have conditional immunities (still useful!), resistances, or interactions that don’t stop you from taking damage.

    There's a good reason the power burn immunity section has 2 lines. Yes it would be better if it said conditional immunity or resistant, so the only inaccurate line is air walker because everyone else on the first line is 100% immune to power burn.
    Except Annihilus whose immunity is tied to his cosmic control rod buff. In most matchups that isn’t too much of an issue, but it needs to be made clear. Especially with so many mystic champs currently in play with this meta. And if I remember correctly armor breaks remove it too (because the buff is coded to be removed whenever a nullify is attempted and it reads armor break as an ability which attempts to nullify armor ups, even if they don’t exist on Annihilus), which is another common utility in this meta.

    It feels like somebody just searched through champion abilities for the words “power burn” or “armor break” and slapped them on this list. For example, Carnage is listed as an armor break option. Carnage only applies armor break if the opponent is bleed immune.

    Additionally, several of the armor break and nullify champs just have it as a percentage chance on basic or special attacks and it is not guaranteed. That is not what you want to be relying on in Battlegrounds. You want to have dependable interactions so you don’t eat power burn damage or find yourself locked down having to dance around for 30 seconds for the armor up buff to expire.

    If you rely on this chart without reading up on champion abilities yourself, it’s going to end badly for you.
    Then let people learn and read. If you dislike it sooooo much, make your own infographic and add all the small details and grievances you've listed. It is a better outlet than just complaining and doing nothing yourself.
    As he stated in his response he was trying to be helpful to people who would see this post and not realize the graphic has some issues. Taking the time to identify issues and make a post to inform people about them is helpful and not at all, "just complaining and doing nothing." Not really sure where that take on his posts came from.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,010 Guardian
    Wicket329 said:

    Pikolu said:

    Wicket329 said:

    Pikolu said:

    Wicket329 said:

    The power burn immunity section is not accurate at all.

    Air Walker is not power burn immune, he just inflicts three of his dark tide debuffs when power burned.

    IMIW is not power burn immune. He gains 18% power burn resistance per active armor effect, so you’d need 6 armors for him to become fully immune. The odds of getting those are incredibly slim, and near impossible in just 10 hits.

    Venom and Venompool are only power burn immune in tech matchups. Terrax is only power burn immune against metal champions. Annihilus is only power burn while his cosmic control buff is active.

    Aarkus is just straight not power burn immune. He still very much takes damage when attacking into enemies with armor up buffs.

    Hulkling, Galan, King Groot, and Red Goblin are the only champions who are fully and unconditionally power burn immune. Others just have conditional immunities (still useful!), resistances, or interactions that don’t stop you from taking damage.

    There's a good reason the power burn immunity section has 2 lines. Yes it would be better if it said conditional immunity or resistant, so the only inaccurate line is air walker because everyone else on the first line is 100% immune to power burn.
    Except Annihilus whose immunity is tied to his cosmic control rod buff. In most matchups that isn’t too much of an issue, but it needs to be made clear. Especially with so many mystic champs currently in play with this meta. And if I remember correctly armor breaks remove it too (because the buff is coded to be removed whenever a nullify is attempted and it reads armor break as an ability which attempts to nullify armor ups, even if they don’t exist on Annihilus), which is another common utility in this meta.

    It feels like somebody just searched through champion abilities for the words “power burn” or “armor break” and slapped them on this list. For example, Carnage is listed as an armor break option. Carnage only applies armor break if the opponent is bleed immune.

    Additionally, several of the armor break and nullify champs just have it as a percentage chance on basic or special attacks and it is not guaranteed. That is not what you want to be relying on in Battlegrounds. You want to have dependable interactions so you don’t eat power burn damage or find yourself locked down having to dance around for 30 seconds for the armor up buff to expire.

    If you rely on this chart without reading up on champion abilities yourself, it’s going to end badly for you.
    Then let people learn and read. If you dislike it sooooo much, make your own infographic and add all the small details and grievances you've listed. It is a better outlet than just complaining and doing nothing yourself.
    I don’t understand the hostility here. I’m explaining where the mistakes are so that people don’t rely on incorrect or incomplete information. I didn’t just pop up, say “CHART BAD” and spam disagree.

    We’ve spent enough time on the forums to know people don’t always follow up on information presented, they take a quick glance and form opinions based on that. That’s why infographics are so popular in this community. It’s also why it’s important to not make misleading ones.

    Credit to the chart maker for taking the initiative to do this, it just could’ve used a few more sets of eyes on it before publication to catch these mistakes.
    My bad, I was probably in the wrong headspace when I wrote that 🤣

    To me it sounded like the normal whining and complaining I see a lot of forums. So sorry about that.
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