Is Incursions Pay to Win?

PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,758 ★★★★★
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Seems like you need extremely good RNG on both hacks and boss nodes/defenders to be able to get a zone 25 run without using revives. I genuinely don’t get why Kabam has to paywall the revives behind units? Hasn’t this been brought up enough? Instead of putting a change in the UI to the shop (which basically lumps the p2w shops with the f2p), can’t we improve the QoL aspect of other things?

Not too mention, the galan and odin prefights are still bugged and dissapear if your game crashes.

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  • Luke2323Luke2323 Member Posts: 48 ★
    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,758 ★★★★★
    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
  • WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Member Posts: 1,376 ★★★★
    Polygon said:

    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
    Unless you use Herc, then it doesn’t matter if you heal just 3%
  • ShoNuff29ShoNuff29 Member Posts: 477 ★★★★
    Polygon said:

    Seems like you need extremely good RNG on both hacks and boss nodes/defenders to be able to get a zone 25 run without using revives. I genuinely don’t get why Kabam has to paywall the revives behind units? Hasn’t this been brought up enough? Instead of putting a change in the UI to the shop (which basically lumps the p2w shops with the f2p), can’t we improve the QoL aspect of other things?

    Not too mention, the galan and odin prefights are still bugged and dissapear if your game crashes.

    Combo of skill, rng/luck… I’ve had multiple 25 zone runs with Herc/Heimdall/Thor team with all the right hacks where I’ve barely had to even to sub in a champ to counter a boss fight… then this last run (first time with ascended Herc) was by far the hardest. Had bad luck with hacks and TERRIBLE anti-Herc node combinations. Not just anti-Herc, but just crazy node combos in general. Now that it’s reset, hoping this months run is smoother.

  • JT_SupremeJT_Supreme Member Posts: 1,259 ★★★★
    This month it’s p2w
  • IvarTheBonelessIvarTheBoneless Member Posts: 1,282 ★★★★
    ShoNuff29 said:

    Polygon said:

    Seems like you need extremely good RNG on both hacks and boss nodes/defenders to be able to get a zone 25 run without using revives. I genuinely don’t get why Kabam has to paywall the revives behind units? Hasn’t this been brought up enough? Instead of putting a change in the UI to the shop (which basically lumps the p2w shops with the f2p), can’t we improve the QoL aspect of other things?

    Not too mention, the galan and odin prefights are still bugged and dissapear if your game crashes.

    Combo of skill, rng/luck… I’ve had multiple 25 zone runs with Herc/Heimdall/Thor team with all the right hacks where I’ve barely had to even to sub in a champ to counter a boss fight… then this last run (first time with ascended Herc) was by far the hardest. Had bad luck with hacks and TERRIBLE anti-Herc node combinations. Not just anti-Herc, but just crazy node combos in general. Now that it’s reset, hoping this months run is smoother.

    I noticed a lot of cleanse nodes which counter herc sp2 stun directly. Very annoying
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,817 ★★★★★
    No, they aren't. They also are easier than they have ever been this month
  • WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Member Posts: 1,376 ★★★★
    ShoNuff29 said:

    Polygon said:

    Seems like you need extremely good RNG on both hacks and boss nodes/defenders to be able to get a zone 25 run without using revives. I genuinely don’t get why Kabam has to paywall the revives behind units? Hasn’t this been brought up enough? Instead of putting a change in the UI to the shop (which basically lumps the p2w shops with the f2p), can’t we improve the QoL aspect of other things?

    Not too mention, the galan and odin prefights are still bugged and dissapear if your game crashes.

    Combo of skill, rng/luck… I’ve had multiple 25 zone runs with Herc/Heimdall/Thor team with all the right hacks where I’ve barely had to even to sub in a champ to counter a boss fight… then this last run (first time with ascended Herc) was by far the hardest. Had bad luck with hacks and TERRIBLE anti-Herc node combinations. Not just anti-Herc, but just crazy node combos in general. Now that it’s reset, hoping this months run is smoother.

    Same, got an insane Anti-Herc Red Skull Boss in Zone 18 this time. Unstoppable/Unblockable almost all the time and sealing/erasing your Buffs and Power after his SP.

    But got all the good Hacks for Herc at least. Against normal enemies I could loop SP2 —> Relic —> SP2 —> Relic infinitely.
  • AshacekarAshacekar Member Posts: 2,202 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    It's gives about 170k artifacts per cycle, you can aim 100k as well to hunt for the 7* in 4 months. I think if you have good roster you reach atleast zone 10 is 3 sectors assigned to you. It's not pay to win but revives are terrible for non Herc champ.

    Disclaimer: As i always herc it so i don't know standard difficulty, so not a subject expert on the matter.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,758 ★★★★★
    whether or not its doable with Herc without revives doesn’t change the fact that we need more f2p ways of grinding for revives. Most nodes or node defender combos are stacked to be anti herc
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,758 ★★★★★
    WOLF_LINK said:

    Polygon said:

    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
    Unless you use Herc, then it doesn’t matter if you heal just 3%
    That’s not always the case. I got matched against a KM with some pretty stacked nodes, by the time I could’ve done enough damage, the immortality would’ve been gone
  • JLordVileJLordVile Member Posts: 44 ★
    I got a bunch of evil nodes on my runs like basic attacks deal no damage only specials, and you cannot gain power, only deal damage in damage over time. I was using 6 star corvus and some other none dot champs. The sad thing is that one of my best champs is archangel
  • Darkness275Darkness275 Member Posts: 851 ★★★★
    Polygon said:

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs?

    That logic could be applied to every single aspect of the game. "Why spend units here you can just save them for big sale days."

    If someone gets to zone 22 but their champion dies and a revive will let them continue, that's not pay to win. Even if they have to use a revive for the next three zones. Are the revive costs in incursions a little high? Yeah. Compared to other revives and the fact that we can't easily get them in other areas. Yeah, they're a little high. But the rooms also provide multiple areas and opportunities to heal and revive our characters.

    Can you pay to get ahead and an advantage? Yes.
    Are incursions RNG based and that might present opportunities where you hit a hard wall? Yes.
    Are they designed that you have to pay? No. Not by a long shot.

    They've made incursions so much smoother. The persistent hacks are VERY friendly.

    Does it contribute to the game being a Freemium mobile game with an increasing gap between FTP and Spenders? Perhaps, but by an amount that's smaller when compared to other aspects of the game. By itself, I wouldn't say it's Pay to Win.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,560 ★★★★★
    WOLF_LINK said:

    Polygon said:

    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
    Unless you use Herc, then it doesn’t matter if you heal just 3%
    Good luck doing aspect of nightmare and fate seal with herc at 3%
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,560 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    No, they aren't. They also are easier than they have ever been this month

    What’s different this month? I haven’t run it yet so curious.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,817 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    No, they aren't. They also are easier than they have ever been this month

    What’s different this month? I haven’t run it yet so curious.
    The hacks last 99 rooms, the rooms themselves are easier due to being changed. The bosses are easier also
  • WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Member Posts: 1,376 ★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    WOLF_LINK said:

    Polygon said:

    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
    Unless you use Herc, then it doesn’t matter if you heal just 3%
    Good luck doing aspect of nightmare and fate seal with herc at 3%
    Well, that’s some evil combo again.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,039 Guardian
    Graves_3 said:

    WOLF_LINK said:

    Polygon said:

    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
    Unless you use Herc, then it doesn’t matter if you heal just 3%
    Good luck doing aspect of nightmare and fate seal with herc at 3%
    Fun fact: Morbius awakened can't die to Aspect of nightmares 😉

    Not sure how his undying interacts with fateseal though.
  • Dirty_DozzDirty_Dozz Member Posts: 502 ★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Graves_3 said:

    WOLF_LINK said:

    Polygon said:

    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
    Unless you use Herc, then it doesn’t matter if you heal just 3%
    Good luck doing aspect of nightmare and fate seal with herc at 3%
    Fun fact: Morbius awakened can't die to Aspect of nightmares 😉

    Not sure how his undying interacts with fateseal though.
    Can't he? Undying says it regenerate 10-50% of direct damage taken while it's active. Wouldn't you still take enough damage in the long run to kill you?
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,560 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Graves_3 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    No, they aren't. They also are easier than they have ever been this month

    What’s different this month? I haven’t run it yet so curious.
    The hacks last 99 rooms, the rooms themselves are easier due to being changed. The bosses are easier also
    Isn’t that the case for past 3 months?
  • OrtounOrtoun Member Posts: 896 ★★★★
    Dirty_Dozz said:

    Pikolu said:

    Graves_3 said:

    WOLF_LINK said:

    Polygon said:

    Luke2323 said:

    Incursions are not pay to win at all - you can easily farm some units in arena for revives if you need them.

    But why would you spend units on something like that when you can farm them for Cyber Monday - where theyd be much more worth the costs? There’s literally no reason someone should go out of their way to grind arena for units, especially when the revive will barely heal up anything , which matters in a game mode like incursions
    Unless you use Herc, then it doesn’t matter if you heal just 3%
    Good luck doing aspect of nightmare and fate seal with herc at 3%
    Fun fact: Morbius awakened can't die to Aspect of nightmares 😉

    Not sure how his undying interacts with fateseal though.
    Can't he? Undying says it regenerate 10-50% of direct damage taken while it's active. Wouldn't you still take enough damage in the long run to kill you?
    No, because red numbers can't kill awakened Morbius, of course if it takes you to 1 hp then odds are a blocked hit will kill you
  • BeastDadBeastDad Member Posts: 2,025 ★★★★★
    The Ai is allowed to do things in this mode specifically that are completely outside of the realm of fair play.

    So yes, it is pay to win.
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