for kate bishop players

MocamanMocaman Member Posts: 69 ★
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when i was practicing sauron and red goblin fight with kate in necropolis, i tend to go coldsnap first then stack up my fragility because of the nature of the trap node. my first coldsnap dmg was about 2,700ish, my 2nd and 3rd was about 7,000. when i keep stacking coldsnaps, the damage stays the same. So, my conclusion, the consecutive coldsnaps doesnt override the 1st coldsnap.

so my question, is this intended or not?

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  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,613 ★★★★★
    Mocaman said:

    when i was practicing sauron and red goblin fight with kate in necropolis, i tend to go coldsnap first then stack up my fragility because of the nature of the trap node. my first coldsnap dmg was about 2,700ish, my 2nd and 3rd was about 7,000. when i keep stacking coldsnaps, the damage stays the same. So, my conclusion, the consecutive coldsnaps doesnt override the 1st coldsnap.

    so my question, is this intended or not?

    While using the america chavez synergy, you can stack 3 coldsnaps.
    So when you apply the fourth coldsnap, it will replace the first coldsnap with current potency. So if you replace coldsnaps after applying fragilities, the new coldsnap do have increased potency.
    If you still feel the coldsnaps are not replacing, it's either a bug or you're overlooking something
  • IvarTheBonelessIvarTheBoneless Member Posts: 1,276 ★★★★
    Mocaman said:

    when i was practicing sauron and red goblin fight with kate in necropolis, i tend to go coldsnap first then stack up my fragility because of the nature of the trap node. my first coldsnap dmg was about 2,700ish, my 2nd and 3rd was about 7,000. when i keep stacking coldsnaps, the damage stays the same. So, my conclusion, the consecutive coldsnaps doesnt override the 1st coldsnap.

    so my question, is this intended or not?

    I have felt the same happening. Could you share some gameplay?
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
    Share gameplay for this, mine works fine
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,871 ★★★★★
    If you refresh the coldsnap in the corner the order gets scrambled, your best bet is to go for a sp2 and hope they cancel out the weak coldsnap.
  • MocamanMocaman Member Posts: 69 ★

    https://youtu.be/jDtw0OofZkg?si=WkY9D-myqLWuVdi2

    So you'll see that first coldsnap is about 2900, 2nd about 70, so is the 3rd. in total about 16,900. When i tried to stack again, it seems like overrides the 3rd coldsnap, resulting the same damage.
    SecondSkriller said:

    Share gameplay for this, mine works fine

  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,588 ★★★★★
    If Kate was bugged i feel like MSD would have gone full Rambo on Kaham to fix it ASAP tbh
  • MocamanMocaman Member Posts: 69 ★
    Zuro said:

    If you refresh the coldsnap in the corner the order gets scrambled, your best bet is to go for a sp2 and hope they cancel out the weak coldsnap.

    So you cant make sure to override the weaker coldsnap?
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,871 ★★★★★
    Mocaman said:

    Zuro said:

    If you refresh the coldsnap in the corner the order gets scrambled, your best bet is to go for a sp2 and hope they cancel out the weak coldsnap.

    So you cant make sure to override the weaker coldsnap?
    If you can apply 3 coldsnaps without refreshing you can. An easy trick is that when you have all the dialed in passives needed, save up to 2.5+ bars of power and sp2 then combo into a sp1 and that easily places 3 without having to refresh. Although make sure your opponent doesnt have too much power
  • MocamanMocaman Member Posts: 69 ★
    Zuro said:

    Mocaman said:

    Zuro said:

    If you refresh the coldsnap in the corner the order gets scrambled, your best bet is to go for a sp2 and hope they cancel out the weak coldsnap.

    So you cant make sure to override the weaker coldsnap?
    If you can apply 3 coldsnaps without refreshing you can. An easy trick is that when you have all the dialed in passives needed, save up to 2.5+ bars of power and sp2 then combo into a sp1 and that easily places 3 without having to refresh. Although make sure your opponent doesnt have too much power
    ahhh thanks, appreciate it. but why is this the case tho?
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,555 ★★★★★
    edited December 2023
    A buddy of mine told me that Kate is currently bugged to where her cold snap damage doesnt get “updated”. If this is actually the case, I’m surprised that it hasn’t been fixed yet
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,027 ★★★★★
    TBH, I felt the same thing about coldsnap's not getting replaced by the stronger one's, when I applied them on my 4th or 5th dialed in passive.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,871 ★★★★★
    Mocaman said:

    Zuro said:

    Mocaman said:

    Zuro said:

    If you refresh the coldsnap in the corner the order gets scrambled, your best bet is to go for a sp2 and hope they cancel out the weak coldsnap.

    So you cant make sure to override the weaker coldsnap?
    If you can apply 3 coldsnaps without refreshing you can. An easy trick is that when you have all the dialed in passives needed, save up to 2.5+ bars of power and sp2 then combo into a sp1 and that easily places 3 without having to refresh. Although make sure your opponent doesnt have too much power
    ahhh thanks, appreciate it. but why is this the case tho?
    No idea, probably just an oversight the remains unsolved currently unfortunately
  • JockJonnyJockJonny Member Posts: 237 ★★
    I have a different question for Kate bishop players

    Quite a number of times I’ve found my heavy doesn’t refresh the debuffs. Would this be an ability accuracy reduction type thing?
    I can’t remember specifically who I was fighting but I think knull was one of them Mainly in Bgs that I’ve noticed with victory track meta
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,613 ★★★★★
    JockJonny said:

    I have a different question for Kate bishop players

    Quite a number of times I’ve found my heavy doesn’t refresh the debuffs. Would this be an ability accuracy reduction type thing?
    I can’t remember specifically who I was fighting but I think knull was one of them Mainly in Bgs that I’ve noticed with victory track meta

    It will only refresh the debuffs if the opponents are knocked against the wall by the heavy.
    I mean, if you launch the heavy and the opponent gets koncked down on their side of wall, the debuffs are refreshed. Otherwise, it won't get refreshed.
  • JockJonnyJockJonny Member Posts: 237 ★★
    Ahh gotcha. Total Kate noob here haha Thx for clarifying that for me
  • MCOCHazzaMCOCHazza Member Posts: 891 ★★★
    I’ve brought this up with DLL because it’s something I’ve noticed, he said he will take a look. It definitely appears to be bugged.

    From what he told me, he requested new tech for it, and there could be some edge case which is not catching this specific issue.

    My guess is the edge case might be stacking the arrows with Chavez synergy or the order/amount stacked arrow effects. But it’s anyone’s guess.
  • MCOCHazzaMCOCHazza Member Posts: 891 ★★★
    Mocaman said:


    https://youtu.be/jDtw0OofZkg?si=WkY9D-myqLWuVdi2

    So you'll see that first coldsnap is about 2900, 2nd about 70, so is the 3rd. in total about 16,900. When i tried to stack again, it seems like overrides the 3rd coldsnap, resulting the same damage.

    SecondSkriller said:

    Share gameplay for this, mine works fine

    Yes I had this happen in my testing.
  • MocamanMocaman Member Posts: 69 ★
    MCOCHazza said:

    I’ve brought this up with DLL because it’s something I’ve noticed, he said he will take a look. It definitely appears to be bugged.

    From what he told me, he requested new tech for it, and there could be some edge case which is not catching this specific issue.

    My guess is the edge case might be stacking the arrows with Chavez synergy or the order/amount stacked arrow effects. But it’s anyone’s guess.

    wow really appreciate that! if there is a follow up pls let us know :)
  • Sidd777Sidd777 Member Posts: 185 ★
    i've been noticing this while fighting against the mr fantastic in necropolis as well
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