Is it worth running suicides for Aegon in Necropolis if you’re going for exploration?
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I have to reset my masteries either way to max deep wounds so I’m wondering since I’m *already spending units to reset them*, should i just go all in and get suicides?
It makes him expensive for ramping but I heard it helps after it. The thing that initially deterred me is that if i did this, I would have to spent units after the run is done to reset the mastery tree for the rampup phase and then again have to turn them back on.
One question, can you ramp him without ever throwing specials so that you dont have to constantly go through all the masteries for resetting?
For context my Aegon will be a rank 4 sig 100 non ascended and I’m looking for trying to get paths 4-6 done.
It makes him expensive for ramping but I heard it helps after it. The thing that initially deterred me is that if i did this, I would have to spent units after the run is done to reset the mastery tree for the rampup phase and then again have to turn them back on.
One question, can you ramp him without ever throwing specials so that you dont have to constantly go through all the masteries for resetting?
For context my Aegon will be a rank 4 sig 100 non ascended and I’m looking for trying to get paths 4-6 done.
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Also when hes fully ramped at 999 , and ones using suicides then I assume they dont throw sp2 much and mainly sp3? Especially if you’re going in with 20% revives?
If so, i could put the points from max deep wounds somewhere else, since mine would only be an R4.
I forgot I never even unlocked coagulate. (I have max willpower).
I guess i made this thread for no reason lol. Liquid courage/double edge with no coagulate is just going to cost a ton of potions to counter
Imagine not having war at holidays tho, wonder what made Kabam change it just for THIS year.
This combined with not having coagulate and having to turn off and then back on suicides makes me think its too much hassle/units
So then it ultimately boils down to a question of if i want to spend units resetting mastery tree after I do a path. Overall i think even with resetting the masteries twice for each new run, you probably do save units.
For anyone that missed it in my original post, my Aegon is only going to be a rank 4 and the right side paths are where sh*t gets real I heard , so looking to take advantage of anything else I can to minimize item usage
One thing I’m currently exploring for these right side paths (paths 4-6) is potentially doing a team that consists of both Aegon and Kate.
I’m still weighing the pros and cons out of this strategy, but if i do decide to proceed with it then suicides would be out of the question for Kate
However, that meant that I had massives issues whenever I had to use another champion for a specific fight. If you really want to use another champion, you might want to switch off suicides again for that fight. Either way, I switched them off for the final phase of the GM since I used Wiccan for it instead of Aegon.
Good luck!
I didn’t have the full suicide mastery set up unlocked (only liquid courage) but I found that going into the quest without suicides and ramping Aegon up and then turning them on when there was a run of 4-5 fights where they’d be beneficial definitely saved me more units in the long run than if I had gone in without suicides. This is just my experience though as I found I was able to just brute force 15-20% with the masteries unlocked even in fights where I messed up so yeah would say for me they made my runs much easier
Those of you that ran suicides , was it really worth the unit cost of turning them on for just half of path 5?
After i finish path 5 i was gonna do either 4 (jubilee) or 6 (odin) next , but each time you switch to a new path thats two times worth of units gone down the drain for resetting masteries if you do what @laserjohn26 said.
Is it worth ramping without the sp1 in efforts to keep suicides on and not have to keep resetting them?
I ended up using more revives with the suicide, but that could be due to many factors. My second path was Sauron, and there was much less guidance from others compared to the Titania path. I started after midnight and did the whole path in one sitting as the resources were expiring. I was definitely fatigued and losing concentration. I decided to bring Odin for pre-fights over attack bonus from NF. Lastly, I have been playing this game from the beginning, but it was my first time playing with full suicide. I was throwing specials here and there out of habit and losing health and dying.
I had many team revives expiring, so I had to use them in my second run. They were wasted as all other team mates die very quickly with Aegon suicide (no willpower etc. to counter bleed and poison). If you are using Aegon for everything, then I think the suicide mastery is helpful. But if you are planning to bring others as specific counters, you will have to change mastery. That has to be taken into account.
I haven’t decided what I’m going to do in the next path.
I did some extra research for you. While using suicides, seatin's ramped aegon was hitting 65-75k mid crit after getting hit with big boosts and nf and proxima synergies (no idea why such a difference, feel free to check it out yourself on yt). Mine ramped aegon with only proxima synergy, big green boost and occasionally small orange boost was hitting smth like 60k mid crit after getting hit, but I didn't record it, so can't give you an exact number. You can try it yourself actually, just test him after your ramp him and compare with/without suicide damage in one fight. If you don't have it unlocked and don't have cores to do that, I'd rather not invest in it
Or the timer isnt an issue because you’re going to die anyway by spamming the Light ending combo and deliberately taking hits? With suicides, you wont be throwing the sp2 because of recoil , i assume you just dont throw specials at all and save the sp3 for when **** goes south like when heimdal saves you?
I guess you can make an argument that the fight wont last long enough to be concerned for the timer since you’re letting them hit you
@Thecrusher_9756 Also i have suicide masteries unlocked , i just was debating the unit cost since you have to keep turning them off and on when you finish 1 path and do a new one, and technically yes it saves units down the road but people that explored necro already just farmed revives and didn’t have to waste any units at all. I guess that doesnt apply anymore since i havent done any of paths 4-6 yet and its almost gonna be nerfed soon.
I assume people didnt run suicides for the roblin path at all since it isnt worth turning them on for just one half of a path (the first half has the detonation node forcing you to throw specials).
Because of that I’m thinking of keeping them off for all of path 5, did anyone else do that?
Petrify could help with the long sp3 stun Aegon has, but aside from that, if youre doing the LLLL spam they wont really be stunned . I guess relic stun as well