Idk is the game crystals rigged nowadays?

Have you guys seen those valient crystals? I feel Those are awfully terribly rigged. Each and every spin we take, it's filled and stops close to 7 star nexus 8/10 times, or a 7 star champ, but almost always stops in 5 star. Even watching few content creators its the same. Is kabam intentionally doing something with the pool? Is everyone facing this same? (I managed to get 20 sigs on 7 star maw tho so I don't think it's that harsh on me, but I'm seeing 7 star nexus every youtubers spin reel.)

And somewhat related, I do feel even the 7 star basic crystal has been messed.. briefly about me, I have exactly 36 7 star champs atm, in which around 10 are good useful ones. I'm completely f2p. But for the last month or so all except 1-2 7 star crystal is dupe. I'm pretty sure the probability of getting this happening should be very low cause I have less than a third of the entire pool, but here we are. Is there a possibility that kabam increased the drop rates of champs we already have, so that we get more excited to pull new chamls or something? (This is what I personally felt, I don't know if it's the case for everyone)..pls share ur thoughts about this ...

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Joey_Joe_joe_27

Bruh

ahmynuts

I wish Miike were still here the most in times like this

Lokx

The spin has nothing to do with the actual champ you pull. It’s like valiant daily crystal where you only see 7* put it almost never lands on one. A crystal will have a assigned champ to it that it will land on. The spin is just for show so popping or spinning makes no difference.

I assume that kabam makes it so that you see the more sought out champ as more of a psychological thing to make you seem like you almost got a amazing pull (a 7* or 7* crystal) so that people feel more inclined to buy another crystal with a sense of security.

ItsClobberinTime

No Kabam doesn't have a personal vendetta against you for playing their game, calm down lol they're not rigged

Odachi

Nowadays? No, they have always been rigged.
Every talk out loud about jetskis and then you see an advert for them on your phone? Same tech.

DNA3000

Have you guys seen those valient crystals? I feel Those are awfully terribly rigged. Each and every spin we take, it's filled and stops close to 7 star nexus 8/10 times, or a 7 star champ, but almost always stops in 5 star. Even watching few content creators its the same. Is kabam intentionally doing something with the pool? Is everyone facing this same? (I managed to get 20 sigs on 7 star maw tho so I don't think it's that harsh on me, but I'm seeing 7 star nexus every youtubers spin reel.)

And somewhat related, I do feel even the 7 star basic crystal has been messed.. briefly about me, I have exactly 36 7 star champs atm, in which around 10 are good useful ones. I'm completely f2p. But for the last month or so all except 1-2 7 star crystal is dupe. I'm pretty sure the probability of getting this happening should be very low cause I have less than a third of the entire pool, but here we are. Is there a possibility that kabam increased the drop rates of champs we already have, so that we get more excited to pull new chamls or something? (This is what I personally felt, I don't know if it's the case for everyone)..pls share ur thoughts about this ...

1. The spinner is rigged, sorta. The spinner is actually preloaded with a subset of all possible drops without regard to their chance to appear in the actual crystal. It is just there for show. It has nothing to do with your actual crystal opening, it is just something your game client does until you pop the crystal. It could just as easily have an animation of Godzilla eating Tokyo buildings one at a time. Crystal openings actually happen on the game servers, where there is no spinner and nothing moving, the game just performs a random roll and whatever comes up, that's your opening. To make it look seamless, your phone's game client places your drop into the spinner, and then the spinner is told to stop at your drop.

There's no such thing as a "roll over" really, in the sense that the game doesn't care what's before or after your actual pull. Your pull is determined when the crystal drop is randomly chosen by the game servers, and this happens *before* the spinner stops spinning. In fact, if you let the crystal spin out, your alliance mates can actually know what you will get before you do, because your drop shows up in your alliance feed the moment the server choses it. All of the rest of the animation is for show only.

Now, because the spinner just contains a subset of what's in the crystal, it shows them all equally often, even if they are rare in the crystal. That's why Daily crystals tend to show nothing but champs most of the time. Those crystals have a few dozen different things they can drop in terms of fragments and catalysts, but they can also drop any one of hundreds of champs. So most of the spinner is dominated by champs, even if they are rare as actual drops. That's just how the spinner works.

The spinner is not rigged in the sense that it is deliberately avoiding the "good" pulls. It is rigged in the sense that your pull is randomly chosen by the game servers, and then placed into the spinner, and then the spinner is programmed to stop on that drop, period, no matter what else is surrounding it, and no matter how much the wheel "looks like" it should stop sooner or later. Once you drop is chosen randomly by the game servers, that drop is locked in

In fact, if your game crashes while the spinner is spinning, when you restart you'll discover the game gave you your drop while your client was dead. The spinner had nothing to do with anything, and your drop was given to you regardless of whether the spinner stopped somewhere or not.

2. You're experiencing observer bias. For one thing, when you say "all but one or two" are dups, that's pretty significant. The chances of seeing nothing but dups is pretty low but the chances of seeing mostly dups but one new is much higher, and the chances of seeing mostly dups but two more is even higher. And you don't say how many crystals we're talking about either. On average I open maybe seven basics in a month. To pull seven dups when you have a third of the pool would be rare: one in 2187. But to pull five dups out of seven the odds are far less rare: one in 26.

The game does not select your drops based on whether you have the champ or not. This was tested for a variety of crystals, and while it was not specifically tested on 7* crystals, at some point when this theory fails for several other crystals that were tested in the past, and there's no evidence of it happening in later crystals, the presumption is that if Kabam did not do it in the past, there's no reason to believe they suddenly decided to start doing it now. And back when the 7* pool was much smaller, such a behavior would have been way easier to detect, and it wasn't.

aslaslaslaslasl

Have you guys seen those valient crystals? I feel Those are awfully terribly rigged. Each and every spin we take, it's filled and stops close to 7 star nexus 8/10 times, or a 7 star champ, but almost always stops in 5 star. Even watching few content creators its the same. Is kabam intentionally doing something with the pool? Is everyone facing this same? (I managed to get 20 sigs on 7 star maw tho so I don't think it's that harsh on me, but I'm seeing 7 star nexus every youtubers spin reel.)

And somewhat related, I do feel even the 7 star basic crystal has been messed.. briefly about me, I have exactly 36 7 star champs atm, in which around 10 are good useful ones. I'm completely f2p. But for the last month or so all except 1-2 7 star crystal is dupe. I'm pretty sure the probability of getting this happening should be very low cause I have less than a third of the entire pool, but here we are. Is there a possibility that kabam increased the drop rates of champs we already have, so that we get more excited to pull new chamls or something? (This is what I personally felt, I don't know if it's the case for everyone)..pls share ur thoughts about this ...
1. The spinner is rigged, sorta. The spinner is actually preloaded with a subset of all possible drops without regard to their chance to appear in the actual crystal. It is just there for show. It has nothing to do with your actual crystal opening, it is just something your game client does until you pop the crystal. It could just as easily have an animation of Godzilla eating Tokyo buildings one at a time. Crystal openings actually happen on the game servers, where there is no spinner and nothing moving, the game just performs a random roll and whatever comes up, that's your opening. To make it look seamless, your phone's game client places your drop into the spinner, and then the spinner is told to stop at your drop.

There's no such thing as a "roll over" really, in the sense that the game doesn't care what's before or after your actual pull. Your pull is determined when the crystal drop is randomly chosen by the game servers, and this happens *before* the spinner stops spinning. In fact, if you let the crystal spin out, your alliance mates can actually know what you will get before you do, because your drop shows up in your alliance feed the moment the server choses it. All of the rest of the animation is for show only.

Now, because the spinner just contains a subset of what's in the crystal, it shows them all equally often, even if they are rare in the crystal. That's why Daily crystals tend to show nothing but champs most of the time. Those crystals have a few dozen different things they can drop in terms of fragments and catalysts, but they can also drop any one of hundreds of champs. So most of the spinner is dominated by champs, even if they are rare as actual drops. That's just how the spinner works.

The spinner is not rigged in the sense that it is deliberately avoiding the "good" pulls. It is rigged in the sense that your pull is randomly chosen by the game servers, and then placed into the spinner, and then the spinner is programmed to stop on that drop, period, no matter what else is surrounding it, and no matter how much the wheel "looks like" it should stop sooner or later. Once you drop is chosen randomly by the game servers, that drop is locked in

In fact, if your game crashes while the spinner is spinning, when you restart you'll discover the game gave you your drop while your client was dead. The spinner had nothing to do with anything, and your drop was given to you regardless of whether the spinner stopped somewhere or not.

2. You're experiencing observer bias. For one thing, when you say "all but one or two" are dups, that's pretty significant. The chances of seeing nothing but dups is pretty low but the chances of seeing mostly dups but one new is much higher, and the chances of seeing mostly dups but two more is even higher. And you don't say how many crystals we're talking about either. On average I open maybe seven basics in a month. To pull seven dups when you have a third of the pool would be rare: one in 2187. But to pull five dups out of seven the odds are far less rare: one in 26.

The game does not select your drops based on whether you have the champ or not. This was tested for a variety of crystals, and while it was not specifically tested on 7* crystals, at some point when this theory fails for several other crystals that were tested in the past, and there's no evidence of it happening in later crystals, the presumption is that if Kabam did not do it in the past, there's no reason to believe they suddenly decided to start doing it now. And back when the 7* pool was much smaller, such a behavior would have been way easier to detect, and it wasn't.

Hmm.. yea it all make sense. I got a bit too frustrated ig. Thanks for the insight.

SummonerNR

Just when you think Math from DNA can’t get much more interesting, comes…

“it is just something your game client does until you pop the crystal. It could just as easily have an animation of Godzilla eating Tokyo buildings one at a time”

LeNoirFaineant

I wish Miike were still here the most in times like this

Is Miike no longer here?

ahmynuts

I wish Miike were still here the most in times like this
Is Miike no longer here?

No he got thanos snapped out of existence

SummonerNR

Is Miike no longer here?

Not since shakeup at end of May.

But Kabam Crashed is up to the task too…

Demonzfyre

I wish Miike were still here the most in times like this
Is Miike no longer here?

You've missed a lot my friend.

Giz

100 % rigged lol