Deathless vision sux

LifeswickedLifeswicked Member Posts: 193 ★★
in General Discussion
He's only just been made available and he is below mid. For the amount of work we needed to do to collect him he needs a big increase in damage output
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  • DerpyEagleDerpyEagle Member Posts: 614 ★★★
    I like his play style but indeed needs to be more rewarding
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Member Posts: 2,411 ★★★★
    Vision has always been about power control utility tho. Not damage.
    I have not got him and not played him but would expect him to be able to power lock a lot of fights but not have huge damage
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    Syndicated said:

    Maat1985 said:

    Vision has always been about power control utility tho. Not damage.
    I have not got him and not played him but would expect him to be able to power lock a lot of fights but not have huge damage

    His power control is Bad, really really Bad in comparison with the other Visions lol
    Because they other visions power control is so good they literally couldn't give him that without removing 90% of the rest of his kit
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,404 ★★★★
    edited August 9
    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    This is the first deathless champ i got and i am a bit Disappointed.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,118 ★★★★★
    Lokx said:

    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    From swedeah in comments he said a extra 1500 only for a r3 at max sig its practically nothing
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,404 ★★★★
    Bendy said:

    Lokx said:

    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    From swedeah in comments he said a extra 1500 only for a r3 at max sig its practically nothing
    Oh, yh then he does suck. It’s a shame. Hopefully the next one is better.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,118 ★★★★★
    Lokx said:

    Bendy said:

    Lokx said:

    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    From swedeah in comments he said a extra 1500 only for a r3 at max sig its practically nothing
    Oh, yh then he does suck. It’s a shame. Hopefully the next one is better.
    Yeah i think if they kept the insane power burn plus the damage from specials just give him half the fury passives and i think people would like him as all the old kits was missing was phase and specials actually dealing damage
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    PrimeSaviour_27 said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    Syndicated said:

    Maat1985 said:

    Vision has always been about power control utility tho. Not damage.
    I have not got him and not played him but would expect him to be able to power lock a lot of fights but not have huge damage

    His power control is Bad, really really Bad in comparison with the other Visions lol
    Because they other visions power control is so good they literally couldn't give him that without removing 90% of the rest of his kit
    Take it! His damage is so poor it’s not worth the trade lol either give better power control or better damage. At the moment there is none!
    His damage is there, yall are being so overdramatic
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    Syndicated said:

    Maat1985 said:

    Vision has always been about power control utility tho. Not damage.
    I have not got him and not played him but would expect him to be able to power lock a lot of fights but not have huge damage

    His power control is Bad, really really Bad in comparison with the other Visions lol
    Because they other visions power control is so good they literally couldn't give him that without removing 90% of the rest of his kit
    I'll rather have the goated power control with mid damage instead of mid power control with mid damage.
    So use normal vision then?
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    Bendy said:

    Lokx said:

    Bendy said:

    Lokx said:

    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    From swedeah in comments he said a extra 1500 only for a r3 at max sig its practically nothing
    Oh, yh then he does suck. It’s a shame. Hopefully the next one is better.
    Yeah i think if they kept the insane power burn plus the damage from specials just give him half the fury passives and i think people would like him as all the old kits was missing was phase and specials actually dealing damage
    The power control on og vision was too strong already as per dll
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,016 ★★★★★
    Reduce is damage even further but please bring back the power drain 🙏.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Reduce is damage even further but please bring back the power drain 🙏.

    If you want og vision power gain just use og vision
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,118 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    Even the guy who loves vision aka swedeah isnt happy about him and he loves vision
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,718 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    Even the guy who loves vision aka swedeah isnt happy about him and he loves vision
    This dude is in every deathless vision thread hard defending him lmao.
    It's like the same situation with sable. Even MSD couldn't make her look good. She's bad. Swedeah can't make vision look that good. He's not good
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,118 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Bendy said:

    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    Even the guy who loves vision aka swedeah isnt happy about him and he loves vision
    This dude is in every deathless vision thread hard defending him lmao.
    It's like the same situation with sable. Even MSD couldn't make her look good. She's bad. Swedeah can't make vision look that good. He's not good
    Like sure we havent gotten one synergy which is cruelty but even then it still might not look good enough since its very small cruelty passive
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,118 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Bendy said:

    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    Even the guy who loves vision aka swedeah isnt happy about him and he loves vision
    This dude is in every deathless vision thread hard defending him lmao.
    It's like the same situation with sable. Even MSD couldn't make her look good. She's bad. Swedeah can't make vision look that good. He's not good
    Tbh ill defend negasonic anyday as she actually has uses with her kit but i just cant defend this like i was sold on negasonic day 1 knew what she was for how good she will be that isnt meta stuff but has champs to counterwise but this vision i cant defend as this isnt the vision i expected
  • BeastDadBeastDad Member Posts: 1,941 ★★★★★
    Vision AOU is better.
  • ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Member Posts: 957 ★★★★
    Lokx said:

    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    This is the first deathless champ i got and i am a bit Disappointed.

    The initial reaction was similar for deathless guilly, once we got her awakened she gained some popularity but still not a popular champ. I think Deathless King Groot is definitely the best of the bunch so far.

    I think Deathless Vision will be a decent option when you need a heal block champ but i don’t think he’ll be ever be more than that. Like others have said, even fully ramped his damage is pretty bad. And his power control doesn’t feel like a lock down champ, he feels like a worse version of Peni Parker where you just use power drain to ramp. But she’s got way more damage.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,118 ★★★★★
    ThePredator1001 said:

    Lokx said:

    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    This is the first deathless champ i got and i am a bit Disappointed.

    The initial reaction was similar for deathless guilly, once we got her awakened she gained some popularity but still not a popular champ. I think Deathless King Groot is definitely the best of the bunch so far.

    I think Deathless Vision will be a decent option when you need a heal block champ but i don’t think he’ll be ever be more than that. Like others have said, even fully ramped his damage is pretty bad. And his power control doesn’t feel like a lock down champ, he feels like a worse version of Peni Parker where you just use power drain to ramp. But she’s got way more damage.
    If u need heal block theres warlock omega sent and lady d who when duped is better
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    No one, I just think this playerbase is prone to hyperbole
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    Bendy said:

    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    Even the guy who loves vision aka swedeah isnt happy about him and he loves vision
    They're not the same champ
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,632 ★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Bendy said:

    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    Even the guy who loves vision aka swedeah isnt happy about him and he loves vision
    This dude is in every deathless vision thread hard defending him lmao.
    It's like the same situation with sable. Even MSD couldn't make her look good. She's bad. Swedeah can't make vision look that good. He's not good
    Sorry that I think the first 48 hours of a champs release isn't enough to make a definitive statement
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,118 ★★★★★
    WednesdayLength said:

    Bendy said:

    ahmynuts said:

    @WednesdayLength
    Bro who is paying you to ride and defend this champ so hard wtf lmao

    Even the guy who loves vision aka swedeah isnt happy about him and he loves vision
    They're not the same champ
    He is still vision they are the same champ one is worse also why not reply about beta then of the post of people saying hes overhyped
  • ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Member Posts: 957 ★★★★
    Bendy said:

    ThePredator1001 said:

    Lokx said:

    While i hope he gets a buff, you have to remember that deathless champs are not gonna be treated like other champs. They’re not priority as they’re mainly trophy champs. They’re for collectors not meta changing champs.

    That being said his damage is low which i do hope they boost but i hear he needs awakening to truly shine.

    This is the first deathless champ i got and i am a bit Disappointed.

    The initial reaction was similar for deathless guilly, once we got her awakened she gained some popularity but still not a popular champ. I think Deathless King Groot is definitely the best of the bunch so far.

    I think Deathless Vision will be a decent option when you need a heal block champ but i don’t think he’ll be ever be more than that. Like others have said, even fully ramped his damage is pretty bad. And his power control doesn’t feel like a lock down champ, he feels like a worse version of Peni Parker where you just use power drain to ramp. But she’s got way more damage.
    If u need heal block theres warlock omega sent and lady d who when duped is better
    I agree, he’s not the best at anything but I would say his heal block is his best utility. But for most situations he wouldn’t by my first pick still.
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