5-Star Featured Crystal Change Discussion Thread

Summoners!

We've just released some more information on the future of the 5-Star Featured Crystal here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/43300/upcoming-changes-to-5-star-featured-crystal

We know you've got questions, and this is the place to ask and discuss!

FAQ

Will you announce the pool of 18 each time it changes?
We do plan on sharing the list every time the crystal is updated.

Can you buy the 5 star featured crystal with units or only shards?
This crystal is replacing the currently available 15,000 Shard Featured Hero Crystals.

So does it means that if a new champ comes to the Battle Realm we won't be able to get them as a 5* right away?
You will still be able to get them in the Grandmaster Featured Crystal, but they will not be available in a featured 5-Star Hero Shard Crystal until they are added to this new Crystal. So, this might mean having to wait a little while to get some Champions, but it also gives you a shot at 6 New Champions at a time, as well as a smaller Basic pool.

Comments

gzrbang

khehmist wrote: »

Can someone remind me again how many of the champs voted by players to be the most valuable in their class are in the curated 18 "most effective champs in team events"?

That's a big FAT ZERO!!! Z-E-R-O. Nada. Zilch. Great use of your data Kabam. Bravo. Btw that is complete sarcasm.

Mephisto
Ghost Rider
Hulk
Quake
Iceman
Archangel
Gwenpool
Kingpin
Hyperion
Medusa
Spider-Man (Stark Enhanced)
Star-Lord
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/7hkwnk/list_of_champs_who_will_be_available_in_the_1/

beyonder8421

Well, first of all, this is not a "featured champion crystal", it's more like a "newer champions and friends crystal", as they all have the same chance.

I am ok with the list, as I never went for the featured crystal. And I do not feel the urge to go for the new one either as the 5k shards is too much. I prefer to wait 3 months and have the newer champions in the basic 5 star crystal and keep expanding my roster than getting 50% less five stars. (As of this date, I never got Iron Patriot, Luke Cage, Spider-Gwen or Kamala Khan from the basic crystal).

I do think the grandmaster featured crystal is better though, as we do not need to spend shards to spin those, (it would be better if 3-stars were not in it, but it would be too good).

Now, if these new crystal were slightly more expensive than the basic one, let's say... 10500 shards... yes, I would save for this crystal. But since 5 star shards are still limited in the game, I prefer to just wait 3 months for the new champs.

On another note, I think the new crystal is fine as it is, I just wouldn't advertise it as "featured hero", it should have a more generic name that implies you can get any of those 24 champions.

People in this forum should the read the original post and calm down a little bit. You can always wait 3 months if you don't like the pool. I am sure that will not affect most players and will still get the featured crystal when it comes out.

And the list is not really that bad, people hate sentry but he has to be one of the champions.

Vdh2008

Ace_03 wrote: »

My dudes, this is the 12.0 of crystals.

I can’t agree with a statement more than I agree with this!

ANTMAN? Honestly you’re out of your effing minds.

Using that list and being GENEROUS you have about a 5/24 chance to pull a good champ. This is goddamn terrible.

Spidermancg

So the increased chance of obtaining Blade in his featured Crystal will go down. Boy that sucks! Who wants Taskmaster? This change is a direct response to people wanting Blade, and not going for Sentry and other new champs! Blade is too good! Please don't nerf Blade!!!!

vd016

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Darth_Kaladinn wrote: »

So next month (February) Gladiator Hulk and Killmonger come out.

If I want them as a 5*, the only way to get them next month is from 300 unit crystals?! Otherwise I have to wait until May?!?! That’s crazy!

Out of curiosity, why is having to wait crazy? There is no other Crystal in the game that lets you use shards for a Champion at its release, and unless you choose to purchase the Featured Hero Crystal, you have to wait until they are released in the Basic Hero Crystal to have a chance at the 3-Star or 4-Star Champion.

The 5-Star Featured Hero crystal was an anomaly in the game that made sense with the state of the game when they were introduced, but that was a very long time ago, when you may never have a chance at that Champion again.

We have arenas to acquire those newly added 4*s and 3*s. Thats an alternative for spending or waiting for 3 months.

DNA3000

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

So this is my version of the breakdown, based on what I think is reasonably close to what the general consensus opinion would be in terms of pulling these champions:

Champions most people would (probably) love to pull:
Doctor Octopus
Hela
Void (probably)
Modok
Taskmaster
Thor Ragnarok

Champions most people would think were decent (not bad) pulls:
Beast
Storm
Hawkeye
Nebula
Thor Jane Foster
Agent Venom
Punisher 2099

Champions most people would at least use in defense:
Mordo
Juggernaut (if duped)

Questionable:
Loki
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Ant-Man (duped on defense not horrible, but most players wouldn't be thrilled)

Champions I think most players would probably prefer not to pull:
Cable
Sentry
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Civil Warrior

Odds of pulling a champion most players would think was at least decent or useful on defense: 15/24 or 62.5%
Odds of pulling a champion most players would think was generally great: 6/24 or 25%
Odds of pulling a squib: 9/24 or 37.5%

Is it better than the basic crystal? In my opinion, for most players yes. Is it better than the current featured crystal? If the featured has an ultra-in demand champion, no I don't think it has similar value. Although there are some really great champs in there, in terms of value in my own subjective opinion this has the value of a featured 5* crystal that has a champion like Psylocke, Yondu, or Angela in it: great champs but not top tier champs.

Iron_Deceiver

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

So would it be possible for us to receive a more detailed explanation of these champions/effectiveness in both AQ and AW and the level at which this empirical data was taken from? It sounds very vague and doesn't give insight as to whether the champions are used for anything meaningful or what level they are being used.

SpiritOfVengeance

I love how you said you will choose carefully and as soon as you release the list no one likes them except the featured 6.

bradshaw84

In what other game would they offer a feature that benefits the player only to remove it down the line then say “who said that feature was gonna stay forever?”

Once again, insulting our intelligence.

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Darth_Kaladinn wrote: »

So next month (February) Gladiator Hulk and Killmonger come out.

If I want them as a 5*, the only way to get them next month is from 300 unit crystals?! Otherwise I have to wait until May?!?! That’s crazy!

Out of curiosity, why is having to wait crazy? There is no other Crystal in the game that lets you use shards for a Champion at its release, and unless you choose to purchase the Featured Hero Crystal, you have to wait until they are released in the Basic Hero Crystal to have a chance at the 3-Star or 4-Star Champion.

The 5-Star Featured Hero crystal was an anomaly in the game that made sense with the state of the game when they were introduced, but that was a very long time ago, when you may never have a chance at that Champion again.

Idelest

@Kabam Miike Does this mean that 5 star arena is coming? It seems that is what we are getting to.

MSpawn

zero7 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Why do I smell a bunch of Sentrys, Hawkeyes, Jane Thors, Antmans Juggernauts, Ronans and Cyclops being frequently pulled from this crystal?

Grimmbear

DNA3000 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

So this is my version of the breakdown, based on what I think is reasonably close to what the general consensus opinion would be in terms of pulling these champions:

Champions most people would (probably) love to pull:
Doctor Octopus
Hela
Void (probably)
Modok
Taskmaster
Thor Ragnarok

Champions most people would think were decent (not bad) pulls:
Beast
Storm
Hawkeye
Nebula
Thor Jane Foster
Agent Venom
Punisher 2099

Champions most people would at least use in defense:
Mordo
Juggernaut (if duped)

Questionable:
Loki
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Ant-Man (duped on defense not horrible, but most players wouldn't be thrilled)

Champions I think most players would probably prefer not to pull:
Cable
Sentry
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Civil Warrior

Odds of pulling a champion most players would think was at least decent or useful on defense: 15/24 or 62.5%
Odds of pulling a champion most players would think was generally great: 6/24 or 25%
Odds of pulling a squib: 9/24 or 37.5%

Is it better than the basic crystal? In my opinion, for most players yes. Is it better than the current featured crystal? If the featured has an ultra-in demand champion, no I don't think it has similar value. Although there are some really great champs in there, in terms of value in my own subjective opinion this has the value of a featured 5* crystal that has a champion like Psylocke, Yondu, or Angela in it: great champs but not top tier champs.

TM and Ragnathor are garbage.

Frnkielo

the 18 champs are just straight trash...im at 100k 5 star shards just waiting to pick off the champs i want when their crystal re rolls around...my big question is why not keep the old crystak where it was 20 percent at one champ and offer this new crystal... why get rid of a perfectly good crystal that we are all so used to...leave the original crystal that has 20 percent chance at one champ and every other garbage champ in it and then add this crystal where it gives us 4.2 at 6 new champs and 18 other garbage champs....to make the 18 good it should be voted by the players..star lord hyperion gwen pool iceman voodoo thats the right way to do it...then its our choice to have guranteed chance at one of 6 new champs and 18 of the best in the game for the cost of 5 k shards...then leave the original crystal for those who are ok with 20 percent for one champ

Apache

This has to be the worse change since they stopped letting you smoke on airplanes

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Kingyakoopa

This is a total money grab scheme for 5* newly released champs to only be able to pull from a Grandmaster feature unit crystal... Definitely not fair or justified... I already have all those previous 5* new champs... So where does this leave me... I ain't buying no Grandmaster 5* feature units crystal...

DeathBringer77

Awful list of champs. Let’s be real here. People are mad cause your taking away the ability to potentially get a new champ with shards to now having to pay 300 for a shittier chance of getting the featured champ or waiting to another shittier chance to pull them in the normal 5* crystal. Good move. Smart. That’s sarcastic btw

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Mmx1991

G0311 wrote: »

bradshaw84 wrote: »

So in lamens terms, it’s back to the old days of only those who spend a small fortune can get new champs before us peasants who attempt to earn them instead? @Kabam Miike fair play to you for keeping a straight face lol.

Kabam Miike wrote: »

bradshaw84 wrote: »

Sorry to repeat @Kabam Miike but could you clarify, this seems insane if I’ve got this right...

So am I understanding this right, when a new champ is released in 4* arena it could potentially be almost 3 months before he’s available as a 5* in a featured crystal at a 1 in 24 chance if his arena is early in the 3 month cycle?

Yes, this is correct. You will be able to win them in the Grandmaster Featured Hero Crystal, but some Champions will not make it into the Featured Hero Crystal for some time.

Hey not even people with jobs are guaranteed to get a featured out of a GMC, I've seen people online spend 600$ on featured GMCs and not get one 5*

I heard someone spent $7000 on featured GMC's to get a Blade. These changes are more of a cash grab.

"Don't wait 11 weeks! Buy GMCs now!"

Qu1ckshoT32_Gaming

Waiting for a champion to be added to the basic pull and expecting to get and dupe them is a ludicrous suggestion. I pulled Star Lord as my second ever 5 star crystal, he remains unduped. However I've pulled my first 5 star, Ronan, 5 times.

RNG determines if you have good or bad luck and your prestige, so until you introduce a way to earn specific 5 star champions, that will continue to be the case.

But no worries you can simply acquire the units to open 10 Featured Grandmaster Crystals with $100 USD, so if you would like a less than 1% chance, (from community gathered statistics) at getting the 5 star you want, that's how you do it. Can't wait for the day to come where Apple requires you to disclose all the drop rates.

bradshaw84

For the first couple years of this game the top level players were those that spent spent spent on the random element of the game until they got what they wanted.

With the 15k feature crystals that gave grinders like me s chance to EARN what I wanted at a less random rate, it wasn’t a perfect system but it was better.

Now the emphasis shifts back towards whales spending till they’re blue in the face and racing ahead of grinders for good.

Thatweirdguy

@Kabam Miike Will there be changes to the Featured Grand Master Crystals to comply with Apple's rules too? Will you be giving a drop rate 3*,4* & 5* champs from those to comply with Apple's rules?

TheGodfather

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Darth_Kaladinn wrote: »

So next month (February) Gladiator Hulk and Killmonger come out.

If I want them as a 5*, the only way to get them next month is from 300 unit crystals?! Otherwise I have to wait until May?!?! That’s crazy!

Out of curiosity, why is having to wait crazy? There is no other Crystal in the game that lets you use shards for a Champion at its release, and unless you choose to purchase the Featured Hero Crystal, you have to wait until they are released in the Basic Hero Crystal to have a chance at the 3-Star or 4-Star Champion.

The 5-Star Featured Hero crystal was an anomaly in the game that made sense with the state of the game when they were introduced, but that was a very long time ago, when you may never have a chance at that Champion again.

No other Crystal that lets you use shards for a Champion at its release.

But hold the phone, if you have $$ MONEY $$ Bada-BING you don't have to wait.

Kabam Miike

Spidermancg wrote: »

So the increased chance of obtaining Blade in his featured Crystal will go down. Boy that sucks! Who wants Taskmaster? This change is a direct response to people wanting Blade, and not going for Sentry and other new champs! Blade is too good! Please don't nerf Blade!!!!

Nope! No change to the Blade Featured Hero Crystal. We made an exception for Blade because we know how many of you were saving Shards for him.

Romissy

So no one will go for the new feature 5* crystals, was that the plan?

rwhack

Eccohawk wrote: »

rwhack wrote: »

Here’s a solution. Quit making terrible champs.

No dev/designer is sitting around the Kabam offices, or any other gaming office, talking about ways to make terrible design decisions. This is an idiotic comment to make. These guys try to create cool, unique, interesting and balanced new characters to bring to the game EVERY TWO WEEKS!! Do some miss the mark at times? Sure. But don't sit there and pretend like they do it on purpose or set out to create a character that you feel plays like garbage. Show a little respect to the hard work being put in here.

I work in a precision business that requires consistent good results. I would be out of business if I missed the target as often as they do. If they used any of the top players as testers (and no, not me), there is no way they would think Sentry for example was any good. Captain Marvel has an SP2 that gets blocked for over a year now. She-Hulk, Karmala Khan, Iron Patriot, and the list goes on. They miss the mark more than they hit it. Respect is earned not given. It hasn't been earned.

Look at the champs they put in the first one. That's also tone deaf. Beast? Geez Hawkeye isn't bad but his prestige is so bad you have to never want to keep pace with anyone to rank him. Ant-Man? I'm convinced they don't understand the game. I'm also convinced they don't do any meaningful testing. Sentry is just terrible. The comments they made about him before his release were so far from reality. Brings me back to I'll stick to my reality (which is in the real world), you stick to yours. Never mistake effort for achievement by the way. You don't get paid for effort nor do you get patted on the back for it. Glad I could teach you that.

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SpiritOfVengeance

I am not sure what to do anymore.

beyonder8421

rwhack wrote: »

Eccohawk wrote: »

rwhack wrote: »

Here’s a solution. Quit making terrible champs.

No dev/designer is sitting around the Kabam offices, or any other gaming office, talking about ways to make terrible design decisions. This is an idiotic comment to make. These guys try to create cool, unique, interesting and balanced new characters to bring to the game EVERY TWO WEEKS!! Do some miss the mark at times? Sure. But don't sit there and pretend like they do it on purpose or set out to create a character that you feel plays like garbage. Show a little respect to the hard work being put in here.

I work in a precision business that requires consistent good results. I would be out of business if I missed the target as often as they do. If they used any of the top players as testers (and no, not me), there is no way they would think Sentry for example was any good. Captain Marvel has an SP2 that gets blocked for over a year now. She-Hulk, Karmala Khan, Iron Patriot, and the list goes on. They miss the mark more than they hit it. Respect is earned not given. It hasn't been earned.

Sentry is one of the new champions, he has to be in the crystal.

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