5-Star Featured Crystal Change Discussion Thread

Summoners!

We've just released some more information on the future of the 5-Star Featured Crystal here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/43300/upcoming-changes-to-5-star-featured-crystal

We know you've got questions, and this is the place to ask and discuss!

FAQ

Will you announce the pool of 18 each time it changes?
We do plan on sharing the list every time the crystal is updated.

Can you buy the 5 star featured crystal with units or only shards?
This crystal is replacing the currently available 15,000 Shard Featured Hero Crystals.

So does it means that if a new champ comes to the Battle Realm we won't be able to get them as a 5* right away?
You will still be able to get them in the Grandmaster Featured Crystal, but they will not be available in a featured 5-Star Hero Shard Crystal until they are added to this new Crystal. So, this might mean having to wait a little while to get some Champions, but it also gives you a shot at 6 New Champions at a time, as well as a smaller Basic pool.

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Kiryu

Dear Kabam.

Changing the featured 5* crystal is obviously aimed to increase featured grandmaster crystal sales. Cause as it stands players will not be able to attain the new heroes for weeks/months after their release with their 5* shards and have reduced chance to obtain them later on.
Hence this will be yet another gap increase between spending players and grinding ones.

I am not avare of what other plans you have towards 5* in future, how ever I believe everyone would agree that your player base would much rather keep the current system and simply have new 5* added in basic pool at the same time as 4*

Lastly, from bottom of my heart, i just wanted to let you know that this yet again is a complete D**k move that has massively upset your player base, its almost as if you want us to give up on game.

P.s - I highly recommend sacking the people who made the list of 18 basic heroes to be added in the crystal.

P.p.s. But not before the intelectual who designed this plan and anyone who approved it.

DoomedNuke

What about the Sub-Feautred reel? Is that not happening anymore?

LocoMotives

6 feature, 18 basic. 25% for feature.

GroundedWisdom

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BitterSteel wrote: »

So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more?

What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed

The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course.

5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities.

Riiiiiiiggghhhtttt.....

And it has zero to do with Apple's new rule on disclosing rates in drop boxes...

Not really. The rate of the Featured has always been in favor of the Players. Estimated around 20%. Now it's about a 4% chance. There is no logic that supports the connection.

That for the first time in MCOC history, Kabam has been clear about feature 5* drop rates at the same time as a transparency mandate from Apple has come out. That has an undeniable logic to it that has next to no chance of being a coincidence.

As long as there are at least 3 worthwhile new champs in the subset of 6 and a couple above-average champs in the subset of 18 it won't be too much worse for the average player. The first set of champs is not strong enough to be worthwhile. For me, this problem would largely go away if they made the chances of better champs higher.

The new crystal will be substantially worse for people that only wanted a specific feature champ and (however Kabam calculated drop rates) earned >20% feature drop rates in the old system (when we ran the numbers, my 13M alliance had an average success rate of about 13%). It's surprising that the new system seems to be hardest on the highest paying players.

That's just conjecture and conspiracy. It's already been stated that they've had the plans in the works for some time, and that's how these things usually work either way.

bloodyCain

I have serious question right here and need an answer.

1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do.
2) Why the need to change the 5* Featured crystal? Nobody in the community said anything about the current 5* Featured crystal.
3) Yes. The addition of new champs to the basic 5* champs pool is catching up but is that an enough reason to totally change the 5* Featured crystal? Why don't you guys slow down the addition? Why not add 3 new champs per month instead?

DNA3000

Thecrusher_9756 wrote: »

The problem is once you get past a certain point a lot of the champions on that list become useless. For example, against mystic dispersion you’re not going to use a venompool? All a lot of us are asking is that you put in champions that are used a lot at the top end as well as the lower end of the game to make it fair for everyone...

Aren't champions like Hawkeye and Doctor Octopus used even at the highest levels of the game? I'm ignoring the featured champs because those are not "optional" only the curated eighteen have any choice behind them.

Kabam Miike

bloodyCain wrote: »

I have serious question right here and need an answer.

1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do.

Yes, every Champion in the 5-Star Featured Crystal will have exactly the same chance to drop from the Crystal.

Apache

Nerf the crystal just in time for thanos

Mmx1991

Stop complaining fellas. These champs will help you clear map 2 VERY EFFECTIVELY and help win you wars with your new Antman in tier 18.

SpiritOfVengeance

For the new featured crystal obviously no one likes the way it works but we can play this to our advantage and have 3 months to save for the next featured 6 if we are not fond of the current ones. For the old featured it was every month making it hard to save for some us.

I really don't think there is a need to make this one complicated you don't have to buy the featured grandmaster crystal even though this is their aim. And honestly I don't think there is a point. If the goal is to make us buy more of them then don' help them. If you really want to buy them then buy them

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A_Noob_Is1

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

This takes away the entire point of featured crystals.

DNA3000

Thatweirdguy wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

Oh Miike, I don’t envy you man. They stick you out here taking bullets, this should’ve been a Friday announcement so you could hide over the weekend.

Mike is a big boy who is on the clock getting paid. He knows what his job is every morning. I'll bet he loves this job. Being a forum mod for a mobile gaming sounds pretty easy and laid back. He gets his script from the game team and eats it. Maybe he cringed when he saw the in game message from the Grandmaster stating that this was an improvement but his job is to sell the stuff that the game team gives him no matter how nonsensical. Easy job. IMO

I don't know about easy, but community manager/coordinator jobs have some of the highest turn over in the games industry, at least last time I checked.

MavRCK_

These changes aren't helping the game or the players - these changes do seem to be made in order to encourage players to buy the GMC crystals and spend more money.

GroundedWisdom

Mmx1991 wrote: »

Stop complaining fellas. These champs will help you clear map 2 VERY EFFECTIVELY and help win you wars with your new Antman in tier 18.

The pool will be shifting. Meaning there will be 6 Featured Champs, and a range of others in it, at any given time. No Basic Champs will be run twice in a row, so people can take their own chances based on what's in it. Besides, you could roll Ant-Man now.

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DNA3000

DJRipster wrote: »

Im pretty surprised that all the data you have collected has found these to be among the most effective, when I've yet to see one of my alliance members use any on this list

To repeat: no one said the list of champions was "most effective." They said they were datamined to be effective, in the context of the game devs trying to choose champions that were not "not effective." In other words, the intent of the selected eighteen was to eliminate the champions that were least desirable, not stack it with the champions that are most desirable.

They can eliminate the bottom 24, say. They cannot only put the top 24, because the intent is to rotate the champions every three months when they swap the featured champs.

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Dub

I want to see where storm or ant man are effective on any levels. The lower you to the worse they get. Storm used to hit hard before bleeders were crazy good. Now she’s mediocre at best. As far as Jane goes. If you want a good stun champ put hulk. Or put iceman or aa as chances so people’s odds of getting a decent champ are higher than like 8 percent

becauseicant

You need to run the featured crystal schedule all the way up to Sentry to give everyone who was saving for champs in between Blade and Sentry a chance to get those champs. No reason not to do this considering how monumental of a change this is.

Deadlyslayer007

Wow total cash grab, with the aim to increase salea of there GMC!

Release new champs and dont allow your playerbase to not get them for months... unless they spend?!?! and even then you chuck in a ton of useless 5* in the mix!!

i guarantee you NO one uses antman or cyclops for aq so whoever is giving you your data is as reliable as your servers!

nice way to flip your playerbase off and completely become detached from what they want

GroundedWisdom

Dub wrote: »

I want to see where storm or ant man are effective on any levels. The lower you to the worse they get. Storm used to hit hard before bleeders were crazy good. Now she’s mediocre at best. As far as Jane goes. If you want a good stun champ put hulk. Or put iceman or aa as chances so people’s odds of getting a decent champ are higher than like 8 percent

I can't agree with that. Storm is a killer.

sbb75

Kabam Miike wrote: »

TKal wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

You really picked the best mystics, I like it ! Would love to see what your data shows about effectiveniss in AW et AQ about those amazing god tier mystic champs

Again, we never said that they were the best performing. It is also important to keep in mind that what may be desirable at your level of play may differ from other players as well. A lot of players could use a Champ that hits as hard as Storm with her Special Attacks, or the ability to shrug off debuffs like Agent Venom, or Stun like Jane Foster.

The ONLY type of players you should look at are people that purchased a 5* feature before. Give is the % breakdown of 5* rank levels of those 18 champs for people that have purchased a 5* feature in the past. Compare those stats to their other 5* champs.
MOST companies make changes to their products based on the customers wants and needs.

Be honest @Kabam Miike the criteria for selecting those.champs is the same for answering questions on the Forums. Avoid the tough ones!!!

Lets all get back to the big beta testing program rolled out to Address Luke Cage and RH.

LeNoirFaineant

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

Let me get this straight. The new crystal will have an increased chance of pulling Antman and other questionable champs vs. the previous featured crystal. It will have a decreased chance of pulling the featured champ that you want once, let alone twice. It will have zero chance of getting many actually good champs that are in the basic pool like GP, Voodoo, AA, etc. And we get all this for an extra 5k shards? Sounds about right lmao.

InmortalKratos

So that way you can nerf the heros before we can put our hand on them.

SpiritOfVengeance

Ok can't we just meet halfway and make the 6 featured have a higher chance than the 18 basics at least?

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Firelord_Ozai

The best part about the new featured is that there are only 2 good pulls from the whole list lol.

Firelord_Ozai

And... that's if void is even good. Hela was the only other good champion on the list.

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