Guardian is a Serpent counter?

EdisonLaw · September 20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh1LP_5B19I

This is quite cool.

Shadow_Shooter · September 20

interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?

EdisonLaw · September 20

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?

Well as long as he has armor, he can well time block the specials. Special 2 is easier since SP1 is a beam

JLordVileJ · September 20

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?

Yeah but it's not too hard. On that note, couldn't sunspot work? Also og cap would go hard

Giantwalrus56 · September 20

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?

As long as he has an armor up, yes. Parrying special grant him extra power

EdisonLaw · September 20

JLordVileJ said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?
Yeah but it's not too hard. On that note, couldn't sunspot work? Also og cap would go hard

Sunspot possibly could but Serp has crit resist

Nemesis_17 · September 20

The ranks shown in this duel make it seem like a better matchup than it is. A maxed 5* against a non maxed 6* is far from a good battlegrounds portrayal. He won’t do enough damage normally since serpent reduces instant bursts by 60% which guardian gets a lot of damage from.

Here was my 6* r1 unleveled guardian against a 7* r1 unduped serpent. This was literally a clean fight lol the worst mistake I made was missing the parry on like 2 of his sp1s. Sp1 sp1 sp2 rotation only took him to 30%, I had to build to another sp1 to sp2 to kill him, and all of this is without death immunity at play.

CookinEwoks · September 20

JLordVileJ said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?
Yeah but it's not too hard. On that note, couldn't sunspot work? Also og cap would go hard

Og cap would do 10 percent before timing out bruh💀

EdisonLaw · September 20

CookinEwoks said:

JLordVileJ said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?
Yeah but it's not too hard. On that note, couldn't sunspot work? Also og cap would go hard
Og cap would do 10 percent before timing out bruh💀

Still waiting for that OG Cap rework, aren't we @captain_rogers

EdisonLaw · September 20

CookinEwoks said:

JLordVileJ said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?
Yeah but it's not too hard. On that note, couldn't sunspot work? Also og cap would go hard
Og cap would do 10 percent before timing out bruh💀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toDBvgzhXFQ

Lol I just found this

EdisonLaw · September 20

Nemesis_17 said:
The ranks shown in this duel make it seem like a better matchup than it is. A maxed 5* against a non maxed 6* is far from a good battlegrounds portrayal. He won’t do enough damage normally since serpent reduces instant bursts by 60% which guardian gets a lot of damage from.
Here was my 6* r1 unleveled guardian against a 7* r1 unduped serpent. This was literally a clean fight lol the worst mistake I made was missing the parry on like 2 of his sp1s. Sp1 sp1 sp2 rotation only took him to 30%, I had to build to another sp1 to sp2 to kill him, and all of this is without death immunity at play.

How would a r3 Guardian do against a r3 Serpent

Nemesis_17 · September 21

EdisonLaw said:

Nemesis_17 said:
The ranks shown in this duel make it seem like a better matchup than it is. A maxed 5* against a non maxed 6* is far from a good battlegrounds portrayal. He won’t do enough damage normally since serpent reduces instant bursts by 60% which guardian gets a lot of damage from.
Here was my 6* r1 unleveled guardian against a 7* r1 unduped serpent. This was literally a clean fight lol the worst mistake I made was missing the parry on like 2 of his sp1s. Sp1 sp1 sp2 rotation only took him to 30%, I had to build to another sp1 to sp2 to kill him, and all of this is without death immunity at play.
How would a r3 Guardian do against a r3 Serpent

(Skip to the screenshots for the results if you don’t care about the math I used to try and test it.)

It’s difficult to say with 100% accuracy. The best I could do was try and compare the pi ratio of attacker to defender in battlegrounds when serpent is on defense and try to match that ratio in a duel. R3 serpent depending on sig has about 78k-79k pi with class advantage and r3 guardian at mid sig has about 31k with class disadvantage. When rounding it’s basically a 1:2.5 ratio of Guardian’s champ rating to serpent’s.

My r1 serpent in a duel has 20k pi with class advantage. To maintain the 1:2.5 ratio I would need a guardian with 8k pi, os I leveled up my 6* r1 guardian and overshot a bit which got him to 8.5k with class disadvantage so this test is a little bit in his favor. I was early on a couple parries when serpent has pierce so give guardian like 15% more health in both fights shown. Anyways here’s what I got:

First fight was sp1 sp1 sp2 rotation which got him down to like 15%, so I had to use another sp2 to kill. I tried to go sp3 instead to see if that would be faster, and this is how it ended up:

So TLDR no don’t try out this matchup lol. All of this was against an unduped serpent so he didn’t even have to deal with Serpent’s biggest problem. I think Guardian works as a backup if we’re talking r3 guardian with 6* hulkbuster relic vs r2 unduped serpent, where going sp1 sp1 sp2 would probably kill. Otherwise, I wouldn’t go out of your way to force this matchup.

captain_rogers · September 21

Nemesis_17 said:
The ranks shown in this duel make it seem like a better matchup than it is. A maxed 5* against a non maxed 6* is far from a good battlegrounds portrayal. He won’t do enough damage normally since serpent reduces instant bursts by 60% which guardian gets a lot of damage from.
Here was my 6* r1 unleveled guardian against a 7* r1 unduped serpent. This was literally a clean fight lol the worst mistake I made was missing the parry on like 2 of his sp1s. Sp1 sp1 sp2 rotation only took him to 30%, I had to build to another sp1 to sp2 to kill him, and all of this is without death immunity at play.

He needs high sig for the energy resistance right

captain_rogers · September 21

EdisonLaw said:

CookinEwoks said:

JLordVileJ said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?
Yeah but it's not too hard. On that note, couldn't sunspot work? Also og cap would go hard
Og cap would do 10 percent before timing out bruh💀
Still waiting for that OG Cap rework, aren't we @captain_rogers

WE HAD THE CHANCEEE!!

Nemesis_17 · September 21

captain_rogers said:

Nemesis_17 said:
The ranks shown in this duel make it seem like a better matchup than it is. A maxed 5* against a non maxed 6* is far from a good battlegrounds portrayal. He won’t do enough damage normally since serpent reduces instant bursts by 60% which guardian gets a lot of damage from.
Here was my 6* r1 unleveled guardian against a 7* r1 unduped serpent. This was literally a clean fight lol the worst mistake I made was missing the parry on like 2 of his sp1s. Sp1 sp1 sp2 rotation only took him to 30%, I had to build to another sp1 to sp2 to kill him, and all of this is without death immunity at play.
He needs high sig for the energy resistance right

Yea he does. If you parry every special and don’t fumble like I did he’ll finish pretty high health unduped too though.

Real_Madrid_76_2 · September 21

Finally someone who found this out. I used him for serpent war bosses and the power gain on well timed blocks against sp1, oh my goodness, that's so exciting. Since I have practised guardian a lot against special attacks from different opponents, i am near to mastery with his well timed blocks

J0eySn0w · September 21

EdisonLaw said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?
Well as long as he has armor, he can well time block the specials. Special 2 is easier since SP1 is a beam

Yeah. Personally, the problem I have with his sp2 is another power gain buff just making him throw endless specials. You end up spending majority of the fight baiting and blocking his long specials and less time actually doing damage. In a matchup where time doesn’t really matter, might be better route.

peixemacaco · September 21

Great info.

2 days ago I sent Bullseye as defender on BG and my rival pick Serpent to attack.

Bullseye won

captain_rogers · September 21

Does og ironman work as well?

Ayden_noah1 · September 21

I would like to see a video of Guardian taking down Serpent in Bg. Hopefully a rank 3 Guardian against a rank 3 awakened Serpent to see if it's actually viable.

EdisonLaw · September 27

captain_rogers said:
Does og ironman work as well?

Potentially, have to try that out.

EdisonLaw · September 27

peixemacaco said:
Great info.

2 days ago I sent Bullseye as defender on BG and my rival pick Serpent to attack.

Bullseye won

Were you using Serpent against Bullseye? He's actually a solid Bullseye counter with that true focus

Dirty_Dozz · September 28

EdisonLaw said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
interesting watch, does guardian have to do well timed blocks to gain power?
Well as long as he has armor, he can well time block the specials. Special 2 is easier since SP1 is a beam

The SP1 is fine, because after a well timed block on a special, he gains perfect block for 0.5 seconds, so you perfect block most of the beam.

Guardian is a Serpent counter?

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