Iron Fist buff (BOTH FISTS)
Mr_Otter
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(Was meant for only classic but looks like Immortal has a bad sig so he needs it too)
Originally he was a MONSTER! Back in the day he was really great!
Before Masteries and between WP-Nerf and V12 he would slaughter anything in his path.
But now he needs something. I’m ALL FOR a new Chi mechanic that charges when he lands crits:
Crits give him 4% Chi
Holding a heavy attack grants him 2% Chi twice a second
Holding a block gives him 1% Chi per second
Gains him up to 50% physical resistance based on Chi Stored. Additionally when reaching 100% He enters IRON FIST mode.
In Iron Fist mode his attack doubles and all attacks are crits. His Chi slowly drains at 4% per second and all attacks lower it by 2%
***When struck in Iron Fist mode he instantly loses the Iron Fist!***
ALL Chi gained is halved.
Once he goes below 60% Chi in Iron Fost mode he can’t gain anymore Chi until he reaches 0 again.
When leaving Iron Fist mode he gains True Strike for 12 seconds
Originally he was a MONSTER! Back in the day he was really great!
Before Masteries and between WP-Nerf and V12 he would slaughter anything in his path.
But now he needs something. I’m ALL FOR a new Chi mechanic that charges when he lands crits:
Crits give him 4% Chi
Holding a heavy attack grants him 2% Chi twice a second
Holding a block gives him 1% Chi per second
Gains him up to 50% physical resistance based on Chi Stored. Additionally when reaching 100% He enters IRON FIST mode.
In Iron Fist mode his attack doubles and all attacks are crits. His Chi slowly drains at 4% per second and all attacks lower it by 2%
***When struck in Iron Fist mode he instantly loses the Iron Fist!***
ALL Chi gained is halved.
Once he goes below 60% Chi in Iron Fost mode he can’t gain anymore Chi until he reaches 0 again.
When leaving Iron Fist mode he gains True Strike for 12 seconds
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Giving him a medium window of SUPER BURST damage would also help him in that regard as the less time a fight takes the less damage he gets, simple!
I’ve also been baffled he doesn’t have ANY true strike.
The idea is as his Chi builds his body is more primed to take a punch. Once it reaches a certain point he uses it all for offense.
ALTERNATIVE: I would be willing to drop the 100% crit rate if he still gains the same amount of Chi. He’d still get a massive attack boost but lose a lot of crit damage this way. However the longer burn without a more punishing drain between combos would make up for it.
Sure. Care to run it by me first though?
I’d like to keep True Strike and Physical resistance. Also I’m willing to take 50% attack up and 33% boosted crit rate. Not quite over powered but far from weak
1 - Energy resistance would be more in keeping with his mystic nature.
2 - Alternately, Chi could reduce debuff duration or a very low-level (OML-style) regeneration.
3 - Another alternative would be an increase in his blocking ability and critical rate, to reflect his rising focus.
As you touch on, clearly he can't simply accumulate Chi relentlessly - I'd probably even say each hit costs him 10% Chi or more, to retain his Glass cannon nature.
Nice work, though.
Chi accumulates from Holding Block and Heavy (up to 100% Chi similar to adorn and P99)
Permanent Physical resistance Passive 30% but can be removed if the enemy lands 5 hits in a row. If removed it returns at 15% then 5% then it’s just gone.
Chi: chi is a passive ability that has few offensive abilities.
Based on current Chi level:
•Up to 80% Energy Resistance
•Enemy gains up to 50% less energy from attacks (passive Enervate)
When at 100% Chi:
Dash Back and Hold Block for 1.5 seconds AND activate a dash…
IRON FIST:
Become unstoppable and invincible for the duration of the dash and gain 10 Iron Fist Charges.
Your next ten hits are critical and deal 20% more damage. All attacks consume and iron fist charge if available. Getting hit will REMOVE all IF charges
When losing all IF charges gain a True Strike passive until hit again
(More defensive, focusing on still not getting hit mostly. If you can survive with the MUCH needed bulk then you can charge in for extra damage. Getting hit will ruin your day making IF not we’ll suited for practicing intercepts)
Hence the buff discussion
TOTALLY AGREE. Iron Fist really needs a good buff
How about, whenever he inflicts armor break, he drains a certain amount of power?
He's mystic anyway, so it would make sense for him to have some kind of power control ability.
Just put him on a team that gives him either armor (as he has none) or Perfect Block increases.
He’ll do just fine.
If you utilize your abilities, signatures, masteries, and synergies together the right way, you can get a whole lot more out of your champs.
I'm going to guess I've played a lot longer than you. Pre-version 12 he hit hard. Post version 12 he doesn't. In order to put point in inequity you're going to have to load up on defense. People at a high level have figured out that it's not a good idea. When someone comes in and champions a hero like Iron Fist please let me know what AQ lane, what AW lane on offense, and where on defense he's killing it for you. I know the answer to the question or I would not ask.
If you need two other heroes to make one hero useful he's simply not a good hero.
He still needs a buff. Even a 4* 3/30 Quake can defeat that BP in 0 hits.
I just checked and I actually haven't even bothered r3ing my 4*. He is not worth the single Alpha catalyst. I could make the argument you make about she hulk or spidergwen being useful. He is not really useful. He once was very good. He could use a buff
Out of curiosity, how many specials were used with Ms. Marvel in that fight?
Also, in addition to being in the top 10-15 champs in terms of base attack, IF has the second highest base Crit rate (behind Symbiote Spidey) and third highest base Crit Damage rate (behind Vulture, Stark Spidey, and Symbiote Spidey) among playable champs.
No, he doesn’t enjoy special damage. Yes, he’s lacking for defensive capabilities. However, ways already exist in-game to supplement these deficiencies.
Sure, I’d love to have my IF buffed, but I don’t think that it’s necessary to make him a playable champ.
Ps that's gamora generally considered a mediocre champ
Okay.
Gamora’s L1 has a 100% crit rate. All of her attacks have a chance to increase her Crit Damage rate. Her special attacks have a HUGE chance of dealing significant bleed damage, and you said you have Deep Wounds maxed out. This is without even taking into consideration the massive amount of critical damage that she has a chance to deal with her signature ability. I’m not sure what that proves, as if this is not a case of apples vs oranges, I don’t know what is.
It was stated that pre-version 12, Iron Fist “was a legend run contender,” but he isn’t anymore. It was also said that he “would slaughter anything in his path.”
V12 was released March 1, 2017. Here are a couple of videos post-3/1/17 that show what he can currently do. One is with the Immortal version against the final boss of the event quest where Iceman was introduced. The other is the aforementioned fight against LoL Rulk. Yes, he ultimately loses that fight, but based upon his performance, I don’t know how much more you could possibly want, unless it’s for every champ to be god-tier, which would devalue the existing god-tier champs.
His armour break works again...remember how terrible he was after first nerf, but then we kicked up such a fuss that they unnerfed him back to Demi god tier, iron fist was top Range of Demi god tier, bordering on god tier, he's a glass cannon, no armour low health, the problem is there are dozens of champs in the game with higher damage output than him when you factor in specials and look at the most accurate numbers damage over Time, most of those champs also have armour or utility, he has nothing else going for him so really to be any use in the game he needs a buff. Those videos show people using him
Well, the issue is they could do that thing with 20 other champs at his level and if they took a punch would survive a lot better than him, let alone have healing (Hyperion, Angela, nebula, sw, ds, blade, x23, guillotine are all pretty much up there with that much damage output plus have healing ) and thats just naming one utility