Thoughts on Black Panther Civil War buff?

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
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I think it’s great. I don’t have any gameplay yet but I’ll definitely be ranking up mine

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  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    Its quite nice i killed 550k ws in 68 hits could do less but i really like the buff honestly these buffs have just been massive Ws everytime

    Better than the new champs most of the time lol
  • Kingering_KingKingering_King Member Posts: 1,041 ★★★
    Idk how to play him, waiting for gameplay videos before I rank him up
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,439 ★★★★★
    edited November 4
    Kingering_King said:

    Idk how to play him, waiting for gameplay videos before I rank him up

    Just parry hits get a many charges until sp2 then one hit heavy into the sp2
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    Kingering_King said:

    Idk how to play him, waiting for gameplay videos before I rank him up

    His playstyle is similar to OG Iron Man where you parry a lot, not just specials but basics as well
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    Speaking of buffs, how’s the Spider Punk rebalancing? Is he better than before?
  • Kingering_KingKingering_King Member Posts: 1,041 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Kingering_King said:

    Idk how to play him, waiting for gameplay videos before I rank him up

    His playstyle is similar to OG Iron Man where you parry a lot, not just specials but basics as well
    Interesting. Does he need awakening + max sig? Ascension?
  • Shriek_And_DonkShriek_And_Donk Member Posts: 26 ★
    SENTRY WHEN?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    Kingering_King said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Kingering_King said:

    Idk how to play him, waiting for gameplay videos before I rank him up

    His playstyle is similar to OG Iron Man where you parry a lot, not just specials but basics as well
    Interesting. Does he need awakening + max sig? Ascension?
    It’s nice but not necessary
  • ESFESF Member Posts: 2,014 ★★★★★
    There is some potential here. If you play Absorbing Man a lot, you definitely recognize the “heavy-into-special” mechanic for increased DPS. I need to mess with it some more but if you can parry in a fight against something that bleeds, there’s maybe some potential there
  • ESFESF Member Posts: 2,014 ★★★★★
    Overall, the kit is definitely a lot tankier, as well — it feels more like what I would expect a Black Panther with a Vibranium suit to feel like.

    It might not be for everyone, with how much parrying you need to do, but that DPS to be tied to a timer.

    I never am really a fan of the ramp-up mechanic to have a timer for the player to maximize the DPS, because to me, that’s the quickest way to get an average player to just ignore the kit and play something else where the DPS is basically guaranteed.

    Skilled players are different — they see it as a challenge, and they want to do things like that to test themselves and master the game.

    I don’t know how many people who aren’t at a higher skill level are going to look at the timer mechanic and go, “Yeah, you know what? You say it can bleed? I got a 6-star Archangel for that.”

  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    edited November 4
    ESF said:

    Overall, the kit is definitely a lot tankier, as well — it feels more like what I would expect a Black Panther with a Vibranium suit to feel like.

    It might not be for everyone, with how much parrying you need to do, but that DPS to be tied to a timer.

    I never am really a fan of the ramp-up mechanic to have a timer for the player to maximize the DPS, because to me, that’s the quickest way to get an average player to just ignore the kit and play something else where the DPS is basically guaranteed.

    Skilled players are different — they see it as a challenge, and they want to do things like that to test themselves and master the game.

    I don’t know how many people who aren’t at a higher skill level are going to look at the timer mechanic and go, “Yeah, you know what? You say it can bleed? I got a 6-star Archangel for that.”

    The real question is are there any meta defenders that he counters
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    Chuck_Finley said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    ESF said:

    Overall, the kit is definitely a lot tankier, as well — it feels more like what I would expect a Black Panther with a Vibranium suit to feel like.

    It might not be for everyone, with how much parrying you need to do, but that DPS to be tied to a timer.

    I never am really a fan of the ramp-up mechanic to have a timer for the player to maximize the DPS, because to me, that’s the quickest way to get an average player to just ignore the kit and play something else where the DPS is basically guaranteed.

    Skilled players are different — they see it as a challenge, and they want to do things like that to test themselves and master the game.

    I don’t know how many people who aren’t at a higher skill level are going to look at the timer mechanic and go, “Yeah, you know what? You say it can bleed? I got a 6-star Archangel for that.”

    The real question is are there any meta defenders that he counters
    There are no meta defenders… only perfectly balanced defenders working as intended 😉

  • ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Member Posts: 854 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    ESF said:

    Overall, the kit is definitely a lot tankier, as well — it feels more like what I would expect a Black Panther with a Vibranium suit to feel like.

    It might not be for everyone, with how much parrying you need to do, but that DPS to be tied to a timer.

    I never am really a fan of the ramp-up mechanic to have a timer for the player to maximize the DPS, because to me, that’s the quickest way to get an average player to just ignore the kit and play something else where the DPS is basically guaranteed.

    Skilled players are different — they see it as a challenge, and they want to do things like that to test themselves and master the game.

    I don’t know how many people who aren’t at a higher skill level are going to look at the timer mechanic and go, “Yeah, you know what? You say it can bleed? I got a 6-star Archangel for that.”

    The real question is are there any meta defenders that he counters
    I don’t thinks hes got too much utility but I see him as more a defender that has great burst damage to nuke down vanilla match ups when you need an attacker.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    edited November 4
    Demonzfyre said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    I think it’s great. I don’t have any gameplay yet but I’ll definitely be ranking up mine

    Why not test him, get gameplay etc.. and then make a post. There is no record for most posts on the forums my guy.
    Lol gameplay is coming don't worry
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    edited November 4
    R1 6* unduped vs ROL Winter Soldier



    Now before you say this took 6 minutes this buff sucks, keep in mind this is a r1 6*. A maxed out 6* or 7* r1/r2 would have shredded this guy in around a minute. Also he's meant for smaller BG and war type healthpools, not long form content.

    So his rotation works like this. Do MLLL combos (don't finish combos), then dash back to refresh your charges. Parry to gain charges, special 1 also grants charges. Build enough charges, then get to sp2, then heavy cancel into SP2 similarly to Absorbing Man. if you are against an opponent with a lot of debuffs, heavy cancel into sp1 instead. Note when cancelling into a special attack, all charges are consumed and his Reflective matrix goes on cooldown. It'll also go into cooldown when it hits maximum charges.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,458 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    I think it’s great. I don’t have any gameplay yet but I’ll definitely be ranking up mine

    Why not test him, get gameplay etc.. and then make a post. There is no record for most posts on the forums my guy.
    Lol gameplay is coming don't worry

    Time God Demonzyfyre was really worried your gameplay may not come😭😭 Thanks for saving his life.
  • iZiggiiZiggi Member Posts: 68 ★
    EdisonLaw said:

    R1 6* unduped vs ROL Winter Soldier



    Now before you say this took 6 minutes this buff sucks, keep in mind this is a r1 6*. A maxed out 6* or 7* r1/r2 would have shredded this guy in around a minute. Also he's meant for smaller BG and war type healthpools, not long form content.

    So his rotation works like this. Do MLLL combos (don't finish combos), then dash back to refresh your charges. Parry to gain charges, special 1 also grants charges. Build enough charges, then get to sp2, then heavy cancel into SP2 similarly to Absorbing Man. if you are against an opponent with a lot of debuffs, heavy cancel into sp1 instead. Note when cancelling into a special attack, all charges are consumed and his Reflective matrix goes on cooldown. It'll also go into cooldown when it hits maximum charges.

    My 40 sig 6R1 BP with synergy (BP, Jabari, KM, NF) did it in 4 min and 167 hits, first try. With proper game play and timing the sp2s better, i think he can do it in 130-140 hits as 6R1. Thats not bad. A good buff, but its 2-3 years to late, he’s not a great defender or attacker.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    edited November 4
    iZiggi said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    R1 6* unduped vs ROL Winter Soldier



    Now before you say this took 6 minutes this buff sucks, keep in mind this is a r1 6*. A maxed out 6* or 7* r1/r2 would have shredded this guy in around a minute. Also he's meant for smaller BG and war type healthpools, not long form content.

    So his rotation works like this. Do MLLL combos (don't finish combos), then dash back to refresh your charges. Parry to gain charges, special 1 also grants charges. Build enough charges, then get to sp2, then heavy cancel into SP2 similarly to Absorbing Man. if you are against an opponent with a lot of debuffs, heavy cancel into sp1 instead. Note when cancelling into a special attack, all charges are consumed and his Reflective matrix goes on cooldown. It'll also go into cooldown when it hits maximum charges.

    My 40 sig 6R1 BP with synergy (BP, Jabari, KM, NF) did it in 4 min and 167 hits, first try. With proper game play and timing the sp2s better, i think he can do it in 130-140 hits as 6R1. Thats not bad. A good buff, but its 2-3 years to late, he’s not a great defender or attacker.
    Yeah I did try it with synergies and with similar results


    I think he can be an alright option on defense because he's naturally tanky and you won't be able to just parry MLLLM him with most champs, plus he has cleanse charges. Negasonic Teenage Warhead is a hard counter though
  • iZiggiiZiggi Member Posts: 68 ★
    EdisonLaw said:

    iZiggi said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    R1 6* unduped vs ROL Winter Soldier



    Now before you say this took 6 minutes this buff sucks, keep in mind this is a r1 6*. A maxed out 6* or 7* r1/r2 would have shredded this guy in around a minute. Also he's meant for smaller BG and war type healthpools, not long form content.

    So his rotation works like this. Do MLLL combos (don't finish combos), then dash back to refresh your charges. Parry to gain charges, special 1 also grants charges. Build enough charges, then get to sp2, then heavy cancel into SP2 similarly to Absorbing Man. if you are against an opponent with a lot of debuffs, heavy cancel into sp1 instead. Note when cancelling into a special attack, all charges are consumed and his Reflective matrix goes on cooldown. It'll also go into cooldown when it hits maximum charges.

    My 40 sig 6R1 BP with synergy (BP, Jabari, KM, NF) did it in 4 min and 167 hits, first try. With proper game play and timing the sp2s better, i think he can do it in 130-140 hits as 6R1. Thats not bad. A good buff, but its 2-3 years to late, he’s not a great defender or attacker.
    Yeah I did try it with synergies and with similar results


    I think he can be an alright option on defense because he's naturally tanky and you won't be able to just parry MLLLM him with most champs, plus he has cleanse charges. Negasonic Teenage Warhead is a hard counter though
    A decent defender, with the right nodes. For players that can’t intercept, a huge problem.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    MSD is currently testing the buff live
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-DIPaWZKL0
  • iZiggiiZiggi Member Posts: 68 ★
    EdisonLaw said:

    MSD is currently testing the buff live
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-DIPaWZKL0

    Max sig and if they bleed, he’s pretty good 🧨💥🔥
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    edited November 4
    Hang on, is this a bug? He's still dealing burst damage on basics even if he didn't consume charges.
    This is from MSD stream by the way

  • Stupid91Stupid91 Member Posts: 34 ★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Hang on, is this a bug? He's still dealing burst damage on basics even if he didn't consume charges.
    This is from MSD stream by the way

    Working as intended ...
  • iZiggiiZiggi Member Posts: 68 ★


    4*R1 VS my 6R1…2,2k vs 9k. A R3 can prob do that fight in 40 secs in BG, and you can play normal.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 613 ★★★
    What's the bug mad is talking about? He whiffs a heavy attack and all basic attacks deal and absurd amount of damage for a r3 6*
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★
    edited November 4
    Average_Desi said:

    What's the bug mad is talking about? He whiffs a heavy attack and all basic attacks deal and absurd amount of damage for a r3 6*

    BPCW just turned into Hercules 2.0. He soloed Thing in 3 minutes using a r3, clearly working as intended
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,439 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Average_Desi said:

    What's the bug mad is talking about? He whiffs a heavy attack and all basic attacks deal and absurd amount of damage for a r3 6*

    BPCW just turned into Hercules 2.0. He soloed Thing in 3 minutes using a r3, clearly working as intended
    The one buff that is bugged but can this stay at least lol this is epic this makes him 1000x better
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