60fps… the AI felt good but has gone back to sour

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  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,466 ★★★★★
    edited November 23
    Graves_3 said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    The AI is fine

    Said the blind man to a tree.
    Nah at this point you guys would complain about the AI no matter what. I didn’t say the AI was perfect but it is most definitely fine
    If you play with 60 FPS, you'd know that the AI is winning intercepts that they shouldn't be. You could call it fine, if you like getting slapped around. Fetish?
    Haven’t witnessed any of that but go off 🙄 sounds like a sKiLl IsSuE
    Yep definitely worthless white knighting with nothing of value to add to the discussion.
    Why is is no one can disagree with you without you calling them a "white knight"?
    That's reserved for people who don't appear to disagree in good faith. In the same way, you're disingenuously responding to a response that was triggered by a "skill issue" post.

    On topic, other than than losing medium intercepts, I'm not seeing the issues that are directly attributable to 60FPS. Even on day 1 of 60FPS, the AI has been the same. Furthermore, I don't particularly mind the AI, I just wish they wouldn't let it walk into light range without dashing.

    I'm definitely feeling less of the "AI is in hyper speed" feeling. Haven't really noticed it at all. I guess the framerate was a lot of the issue afterall (in my case).
    No, your first comment also included the term. It's like you think everyone has the same issue. To them, the AI is probably fine. I have very little issues with it myself though there are times when defender dash in speeds on occasion seem faster and I can't intercept like normal, but it's been nearly impossible for me to capture on video.

    Stop calling people white knights. It's just stupid. Not everyone has the same problems as you and people aren't required to feel the same as you. People are allowed to have their opinion without you feeling the need to label them.
    A masterclass in not reading a response and having no idea which person you’re responding to. Bravo.
    You're right, I confused you both. You two are fairly identical in how you speak on here. You both use that term constantly and constantly act the same way. 🤷
    Oh so you just read the name and respond? We totally disagree on this topic… That gives me great insight into how you behave in these forums 🤔
    I've had enough experience with you and Ox to faithfully say that if the names were taken away, I'd never be able to tell who wrote what. You both use White Night like it's going out of style.

    But yeah, I thought you were Ox when I responded to your comment. 🤷
    Fortunately there’s a search function and in my 1000+ comments, I have NEVER used “white knights” once. Even my go to term of Defenders has only been used 15 times (sometimes referring to the AI). Keep digging 😂

    Your argument also falls apart since we clearly disagree on this topic and I’m pro-Kabam on this issue.
    You white knight!
    How dare you!?
    It’s all good since you both are the same person with different names.
    How dare you accuse me of having a conversation with myself! Right also me?
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,466 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    The AI is fine

    Said the blind man to a tree.
    Nah at this point you guys would complain about the AI no matter what. I didn’t say the AI was perfect but it is most definitely fine
    If you play with 60 FPS, you'd know that the AI is winning intercepts that they shouldn't be. You could call it fine, if you like getting slapped around. Fetish?
    Haven’t witnessed any of that but go off 🙄 sounds like a sKiLl IsSuE
    Yeah. Andy, Trappy, and the myriad of top players have noticed and called this out. So if all of us but you have noticed it, maybe it’s you. 👀
    Honestly I suck
    I believe him guys. Case closed.
    And still don’t whine about the AI like you 🤷🏼‍♂️
    Just about everyone else. What's the word for that again... sociopath?
    To be fair all I said was the AI was fine. You guys decided to make it personal. Sounds more sociopathic on your side than mine 😂
    You might wanna go back and reread… because that just ain’t true.
    It is actually VERY true. The very first thing I said was “The AI is fine”. Nothing else. Just that. Nice and simple. That was literally the whole comment
    Yep then one person says something and you picked a fight with multiple people.
  • Gildarts99Gildarts99 Member Posts: 419 ★★
    BigBlueOx said:

    The trajectory of the AI this month has been wild. Immediately after the update the gameplay felt clean, like the cleanest it’s been in years. It was refreshing and a reminder of how good the contest is when things are AI is restricted to human performance.

    But here we are, 2 weeks later and it’s back to the same cheap feeling AI and gameplay we had at 30fps. Defenders are once again recovering at speeds faster than humans are capable of. Serpent is once again parrying SP2s, same with Onslaught’s SP2, defenders are holding specials until sp3 again and so on.

    Don’t know who’s at the wheel but something’s changed back to terrible again and it’s noticeable and feels intentional after experiencing the 60fps post update AI that felt fair.

    Thought I was the only one that noticed
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,083 ★★★★
    One major problem with 60FPS is that the defenders don’t move forward with their mediums. Their mediums just whiff without closing the gap.

    Probably one of the factors contributing to losing medium intercepts. The two major AI issues are

    1. AI being able to walk all the way to your light range.
    2. AI mediums not tracking to attacker location.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,823 ★★★★★
    60 fps in AoA wasn't very fun, nightmare, but for first 2 days AI stopped doing instant teleportation speed medium dash attacks but now the speed of medium dash is way too tuned up.
    Stop it Kabam,
    You're supposed to keep fix, fixed, instead of changing AI speed back to what it was.
    Shameful

    (Maybe because I had to do that fight with 5* Enche)
  • BosleyBosley Member Posts: 323 ★★★
    KABAM tried shining up this turd of a game with the 60fps trying to make us forget what was still underneath. A turd in the form of some of the worst AI we've had. It's 'working as intended' from their point of view or they would've changed it already....... :|
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,466 ★★★★★

    One major problem with 60FPS is that the defenders don’t move forward with their mediums. Their mediums just whiff without closing the gap.

    Probably one of the factors contributing to losing medium intercepts. The two major AI issues are

    1. AI being able to walk all the way to your light range.
    2. AI mediums not tracking to attacker location.

    Man it’s like I could have written this…

    But in all honestly I’ve noticed this as well. I love when they don’t travel after that medium but then spam lights and magically punish my back draft attempt with ease
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,159 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    Stop it Kabam,
    You're supposed to keep fix, fixed, instead of changing AI speed back to what it was.
    Shameful

    Yeah they fixed it then said “nah let’s unfix it”… 🙄🙄 these are the kinds of people I’ve been arguing with on this thread 🤦🏼‍♂️
  • SearmenisSearmenis Member Posts: 1,672 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    The AI is fine

    Honestly I sucks
    Mystery solved.
  • Shadow_ShooterShadow_Shooter Member Posts: 428 ★★★
    I think they slightly lowered the speed once again, but erratic AI behavior is still back.
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,083 ★★★★

    I think they slightly lowered the speed once again, but erratic AI behavior is still back.

    It didn't feel like they changed anything to me. The complaints I had in 30FPS are the same ones I have now. Only the ones that seemed to be framerate related (like throwing SP3 before the bar went red) were resolved.

    The AI has been as bad as before since day 1 of 60FPS.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,823 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    PT_99 said:

    Stop it Kabam,
    You're supposed to keep fix, fixed, instead of changing AI speed back to what it was.
    Shameful

    Yeah they fixed it then said “nah let’s unfix it”… 🙄🙄 these are the kinds of people I’ve been arguing with on this thread 🤦🏼‍♂️
    Lil bro, no one asked you to continue your "argue"
    It's quite clear as day that AI is out of Kabam's control,

    It wouldn't be considered as joke if someone said that AI adopted to 60fps and is now back to doing super fast dash attacks
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,159 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    OGAvenger said:

    PT_99 said:

    Stop it Kabam,
    You're supposed to keep fix, fixed, instead of changing AI speed back to what it was.
    Shameful

    Yeah they fixed it then said “nah let’s unfix it”… 🙄🙄 these are the kinds of people I’ve been arguing with on this thread 🤦🏼‍♂️
    Lil bro, no one asked you to continue your "argue"
    It's quite clear as day that AI is out of Kabam's control,

    It wouldn't be considered as joke if someone said that AI adopted to 60fps and is now back to doing super fast dash attacks
    Ah I see it wasn’t Kabam that decided to unfix the AI…it was the AI that decided to unfix itself. Got it.
  • CROSSHAIRSCROSSHAIRS Member Posts: 488 ★★

  • BmanBman Member Posts: 294 ★★
    OMG. Fully agree!!! 1st 4-5 days, maybe 1 week? Felt like could be a real game changer for this issue. Sadly last few weeks have been back 2 same old Kabam gameplay and gameplay issues! I knew it wouldn’t last long. Underlying game issues have been glossed/skipped over for many years now!!! Yet another bandaid, or more accurately?? “Look over at this shiny new thing, all so u forget the several years of issues we have NO IDEA how to for, or just refuse to”. No more shiny new thing!!! Just kabam
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,823 ★★★★★
    It's like Kabam apply one bandage but instead of recovery, the wound ends up opening up more.

    Down bad Kabam 🫠

    First 3-5 days of 60fps AI was heaven
    Now as 2-3 weeks have passed? It's once again back to awful, stupid fast recovery time and instant teleportation medium dash.

    You could easily see AI doing medium dash after 60fps update dropped, frame to frame.
    But now, once again it's teleportation instant mess of dash attack.

    Do better.
  • BmanBman Member Posts: 294 ★★
    Fully agree! I knock them down with a special that gives me plenty of room (1/3-1/2 a screen between). They magically get up from being knocked down (while I should be at the ready), instead they traverse almost 1/2 the screen and hit me before I can even block/parry or dex back. Just 1 of the 50 other issues that persisted for ever. Never say anything, and never fix. Just use boosts and money. Kabam way
  • DaddriedaDaddrieda Member Posts: 1,646 ★★★★
    kvirr said:

    Typhoon said:

    OGAvenger said:

    The AI is fine

    Said the blind man to a tree.
    Said the blind man to a deaf man that was doing sign language
    As a matter of fact - I am deaf and I once mistook a sunglass person to have clear view, but didn’t notice he had those blind stick. I signed sign language and he heard something because my jacket was making sound when doing sign language and I was able to read his lips… he said “who’s there?” 🤣🤣
  • FireatwillFireatwill Member Posts: 101
    This is a major issue, somewhat surprised, considering how many posts I've seen that there hasn't been a Kabam response. Medium intercepts are so bad that I decided to turn off 60 fps, but when I turned off 60fps even with S24ultra 30fps was crazy laggy/jittery. We need this to be addressed in some fashion.
  • Chuck_FinleyChuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,306 ★★★★★
    Well, now that intercepts are wrecked again - time to integrate as many pro-intercept nodes as possible.
  • Excelimus2009Excelimus2009 Member Posts: 26
    Aside from the AI, some of us still experience 30/60 Lags Per Second.
  • NüΚΞNüΚΞ Member Posts: 266 ★★★
    Did want to start a new post about the AI. Can we please for the love of all do something about the AI walking up and using light attacks? About the AI holding block and draft back intercepting? Anything? Any update? It is definitely still bad
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,823 ★★★★★
    NüΚΞ said:

    Did want to start a new post about the AI. Can we please for the love of all do something about the AI walking up and using light attacks? About the AI holding block and draft back intercepting? Anything? Any update? It is definitely still bad

    Kabam did slightly confirmed that they can't fix AI without ruining it more.
  • i13i13 Member Posts: 179
    I've noticed that the AI has got a little more challenging, but that's what we want. When the AI update came in I was getting parried more often, and being instantly hit after a special 3 ended, it's either been fixed or I've gotten better lol
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,083 ★★★★
    NüΚΞ said:

    Did want to start a new post about the AI. Can we please for the love of all do something about the AI walking up and using light attacks? About the AI holding block and draft back intercepting? Anything? Any update? It is definitely still bad

    I've noticed this too. They are very quick with the walk up lights lately.
  • Sajadala_GeezySajadala_Geezy Member Posts: 85
    LOL yeah right. AI has been trash and will always be trash. We’ve learned to live with it
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