Isophyne Deep Dive

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
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https://youtu.be/jFWPaKYo4ag?si=fFT8tAJm5LkrmngA

An hour early, but thoughts?

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  • Tairique_turay0Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 604 ★★★
    edited December 7
    She looks like a very useful champion. Seems like a very potent buff nullifier. Overall, a very unique & fitting addition to the Mystic Class.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-isophyne/

    Synergies are here
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    7* Collector?

  • Darkraw346Darkraw346 Member Posts: 2,497 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    7* Collector?

    No

    He might be at some point, but not this time
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    edited December 7
    JLordVileJ said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    7* Collector?

    Its beta they can do whatever they want lol
    I don’t think they have access to a 7* Collector lol
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    JLordVileJ said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    7* Collector?

    Its beta they can do whatever they want lol
    I don’t think they have access to a 7* Collector lol
    The devs can have 1* groot with 50 billion prestige and the ability to oneshot anything in the dev environment, so they 100% can have 7* collector
    I wish we had that Groot
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,141 ★★★★★
    There could be even use a 7 star magic if there like to do
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,275 ★★★★★
    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 3,593 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    7* Collector?

    The funny thing is lose to a 4 stars buffed 300x
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    She has power gain both in sig and base kit
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 3,593 ★★★★
    Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    There aren’t really any Champions who can throw three Special 1’s when they’re sitting at three Bars of Power - it’s a completely new mechanic.
    So... Specials with Isophyne and next ones will be like a Special combos?

    Amazing
  • kvirrkvirr Member Posts: 905 ★★★
    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    Think you misunderstood, while using her you don’t have to worry about power, when using a normal champ if you pass 2 bars you have to throw 2 bars to go to a sp3, with eidols you can go to a sp2 or sp3 and still throw like a sp1, or you can to sp3 then throw sp2, there’s a lot of use, you can spam a couple sp1, or throw a sp2 and then have a bar of power to start working to another sp2 if your at a sp3.
  • SquidopusSquidopus Member Posts: 690 ★★★★
    edited December 8
    altavista said:

    Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    There aren’t really any Champions who can throw three Special 1’s when they’re sitting at three Bars of Power - it’s a completely new mechanic.
    I’m worried about being able to dex the specials when Eidols are defenders. If I don’t know whether they are throwing an Sp1 or an SP2, and the animation timing is different, that worries me. In Isophyne’s case they have access to an unblockable SP2 which means I can’t risk blocking over two bars of power even though they could actually just be spamming SP1.

    Hopefully this has been evaluated in the design process, and that in practice the Defensive potential of fractured power isn’t too high.

    Or is Fractured power bar only an offensive ability?
    The glossary text for fractured power bars as seen in the deep dive indicates that defenders with it can indeed throw any special attack like you can, although they’re more likely to use the special they’re currently at.

    However, I think you’re significantly overestimating the threat this poses, at least for Isophyne. Isophyne’s sp2 is only unblockable if they throw it after landing a light or medium into your block, and that’s just not something the AI does. Given that, if necessary, you can just block the first hit to confirm which special they’ve thrown and then dex the rest safely. The first hit of Isophyne’s sp1 and sp2 also look like they have similar timings so the same dex timings may let you dodge both of them anyways. Honestly the fact that Isophyne (and the other Eidols) have a chance to throw a sp1 or sp2 if you let them reach 3 bars accidentally is a pretty sweet deal.
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,510 ★★★★
    Squidopus said:

    altavista said:

    Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    There aren’t really any Champions who can throw three Special 1’s when they’re sitting at three Bars of Power - it’s a completely new mechanic.
    I’m worried about being able to dex the specials when Eidols are defenders. If I don’t know whether they are throwing an Sp1 or an SP2, and the animation timing is different, that worries me. In Isophyne’s case they have access to an unblockable SP2 which means I can’t risk blocking over two bars of power even though they could actually just be spamming SP1.

    Hopefully this has been evaluated in the design process, and that in practice the Defensive potential of fractured power isn’t too high.

    Or is Fractured power bar only an offensive ability?
    The glossary text for fractured power bars as seen in the deep dive indicates that defenders with it can indeed throw any special attack like you can, although they’re more likely to use the special they’re currently at.

    However, I think you’re significantly overestimating the threat this poses, at least for Isophyne. Isophyne’s sp2 is only unblockable if they throw it after landing a light or medium into your block, and that’s just not something the AI does. Given that, if necessary, you can just block the first hit to confirm which special they’ve thrown and then dex the rest safely. The first hit of Isophyne’s sp1 and sp2 also look like they have similar timings so the same dex timings may let you dodge both of them anyways. Honestly the fact that Isophyne (and the other Eidols) have a chance to throw a sp1 or sp2 if you let them reach 3 bars accidentally is a pretty sweet deal.
    I hope you’re right. But since I’ve experienced Bishop hitting into my block and then deciding to use his unblockable specials even though i’m holding block, I think the enemy AI can be more punishing than you give it credit for.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    edited December 9
    So I was taking a look at her Fractured power bar today, and I am wondering, how will this affect certain nodes if she's placed on defense. There are nodes like Surging Vengeance which makes them throw their specials in order, will Isophyne do the same if she only has a certain chance to throw them? All or Nothing prevents the defender from throwing any special other than their sp3. Will she do the same? How will other effects like Taunt affect her?
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,560 ★★★★★
    Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    There aren’t really any Champions who can throw three Special 1’s when they’re sitting at three Bars of Power - it’s a completely new mechanic.
    Can’t enchantress do that? Heavy cancel after 2 hits and you can hit sp1 even if she has 3 power bars.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    edited December 9
    Graves_3 said:

    Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    There aren’t really any Champions who can throw three Special 1’s when they’re sitting at three Bars of Power - it’s a completely new mechanic.
    Can’t enchantress do that? Heavy cancel after 2 hits and you can hit sp1 even if she has 3 power bars.
    No since you need to heavy cancel first, if she's at 3 bars of power and she launches a special, she launches the sp3. That's called disabling a special which is different to a fractured power bar.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,560 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    There aren’t really any Champions who can throw three Special 1’s when they’re sitting at three Bars of Power - it’s a completely new mechanic.
    Can’t enchantress do that? Heavy cancel after 2 hits and you can hit sp1 even if she has 3 power bars.
    No since you need to heavy cancel first, if she's at 3 bars of power and she launches a special, she launches the sp3. That's called disabling a special which is different to a fractured power bar.
    I know the mechanism. I am giving an example of another champ who can throw special 1 after gaining 3 bars of power.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,374 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

    Deacon said:

    "she can throw specials whenever she has the power to do so" ... i mean can't all champs do this LOL ... i don't get this fractured power bar craze. is it anything beyond mystic dispersion baked into a kit that constantly gives her power?

    There aren’t really any Champions who can throw three Special 1’s when they’re sitting at three Bars of Power - it’s a completely new mechanic.
    Can’t enchantress do that? Heavy cancel after 2 hits and you can hit sp1 even if she has 3 power bars.
    No since you need to heavy cancel first, if she's at 3 bars of power and she launches a special, she launches the sp3. That's called disabling a special which is different to a fractured power bar.
    I know the mechanism. I am giving an example of another champ who can throw special 1 after gaining 3 bars of power.
    It's not the same though
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