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Is Northstar in need of another buff?

Scrubkiller_1Scrubkiller_1 Member Posts: 152 ★
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I have been testing this man out for days now. I want to like him, I love his kit, I've used synergies, suicides, different rotations, I've tried various forms of content, boosts, etc. My god, he is underwhelming. Long form? Onslaught is better by a mile. Short form? Pick almost any mutant and they'll destroy him. Medium? Mid at best. Please, tell me if I'm missing something.

Is Northstar in need of another buff? 67 votes

No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
43%
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Yes, he needs another buff (short/long/all of the above)
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Yes, he needs a slight tweak
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Nerf him, he's TOO OP
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Comments

  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,688 ★★★★★
    No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
    Ourobøros said:

    Emilia90 said:

    Are you sure you’re playing him right because he can cook long fights just as fast as onslaught if not faster. And he’s got some nice utility for those longer fights too, really hard to screw up

    Onslaught might excel in some long form contents, but that's not his main use, but Northstar is meant for long form contents. I don't think that's a good comparison
    Well yes I’m refuting that onslaught is miles ahead for longform, NS is built for that
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,793 ★★★★★
    No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
    He could get some utilities though, like for example no damage from dot debuffs when max ramped,
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,793 ★★★★★
    No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
    WednesdayLength said:

    captain_rogers said:

    He could get some utilities though, like for example no damage from dot debuffs when max ramped,

    That would be absurdly strong
    Yeah that was just an example. Maybe less damage from bleed Or incinerate, true damage against non techs, like that
  • Dirty_DozzDirty_Dozz Member Posts: 533 ★★★
    No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
    FWIW, Northstar is bugged at the moment. His Reverb is 200% bursts right now, and it's supposed to be 300% (at least according to Reddit). So that may be why he still seems underwhelming.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,021 ★★★★★
    I just wish he could refresh his prowess
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 5,150 ★★★★★
    Yes, he needs another buff (short/long/all of the above)
    He just don't fit anywhere,
    Not a single spot he fits into,
    Kebem have to think, why will anyone use him over easier better quicker everest fighters?

    Odin 30 second ramp eats away 4-6% HP in Necro with each sp2
    Kate coldsnap is CRAZY
    Shuri shock constant damage that adds up
    Zemo bleed got his fans (karatemike)
    Enchantress, fat sp2 infinite healing
    Aegon combo banker machine
    Guill-99 just don't let enemy throw special lol

    Like tell me a place where players will use this scuffed Quicksilver over these heroes? Not only he got longer ramp but you have to do it again and again and again and again with little payoff in end.

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    Heck even in this new Necro for mutants, better options were onslaught, mr sinister and even Storm shock abuse with Apoc horseman (I used her personally, thing of beauty)

    He's laughably bad.
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,527 ★★★★★


    R2, unduped, no relic, no synergy, no recoils. One sp2 followed by two sp1s. His power retention in speed burst mode made that quick and dirty, probably could’ve gone even faster if I’d built a little more power before throwing the first special.
  • Scrubkiller_1Scrubkiller_1 Member Posts: 152 ★
    Yes, he needs a slight tweak
    If he's bugged, that's understandable. I mean if anyone has thoroughly tested him and can show me he's substantially better than other typical necropolis characters, I'd be seriously happy to see it. Right now I'd rather use Deathless Shulk, maybe even Deathless KG. And yes ik he has a decent timing in medium form content. His dps in long form is simply not that good from my testing.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,688 ★★★★★
    No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
    Scrubkiller_1 said:

    If he's bugged, that's understandable. I mean if anyone has thoroughly tested him and can show me he's substantially better than other typical necropolis characters, I'd be seriously happy to see it. Right now I'd rather use Deathless Shulk, maybe even Deathless KG. And yes ik he has a decent timing in medium form content. His dps in long form is simply not that good from my testing.

    His DPS is amazing in long form lmao. What rotation are you using? I’m sure BmCG will have a vid out for the buffed version but you want to go for sp3 (in speed burst) then sp1 for pause, big sp2. He’ll kill stuff really fast
  • Trafalgarwar96Trafalgarwar96 Member Posts: 612 ★★★
    No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
    He is very good now
    It s Sentry who needs a buff
    Or Leader too
  • Scrubkiller_1Scrubkiller_1 Member Posts: 152 ★
    Yes, he needs a slight tweak
    Emilia90 said:

    Scrubkiller_1 said:

    If he's bugged, that's understandable. I mean if anyone has thoroughly tested him and can show me he's substantially better than other typical necropolis characters, I'd be seriously happy to see it. Right now I'd rather use Deathless Shulk, maybe even Deathless KG. And yes ik he has a decent timing in medium form content. His dps in long form is simply not that good from my testing.

    His DPS is amazing in long form lmao. What rotation are you using? I’m sure BmCG will have a vid out for the buffed version but you want to go for sp3 (in speed burst) then sp1 for pause, big sp2. He’ll kill stuff really fast
    I've tried that rotation as well as a number of others. IMO if he was 60% poison resistant or just immune, he'd be much better. When i tested him with suicides the dmg was cracked. But, everything outside of that, even a full synergy team, has been mid.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,968 ★★★★
    No, he's perfectly fine where he's at
    EdisonLaw said:

    I just wish he could refresh his prowess

    Then you're playing him wrong. Ran him through realm like 4 times since the buff and lost maybe 2 prowess at most
  • Logan00Logan00 Member Posts: 684 ★★★
    Yes, he needs a slight tweak
    Just apply the same stats to all fights as when he faces skill champs and he will be much better
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,527 ★★★★★
    https://youtu.be/WJHWYy99E2U?si=7s-JHojpv28Afjm4

    Obviously a bad champ, so terrible, not good at anything.

    Yes, there is a synergy team in place here where Northstar was made a Horseman and had a Guidance prefight. But it’s also at the last fight of the Abyss (and is a viable team for the Magnificent Mutants Necropolis challenge), so it’s hard to say it’s not a practical team.

    Also worth noting that BMcG went for sp1 spam rather than a cycle involving multiple sp2s to ramp the damage further. This is a safer way to play, especially considering he was getting *terrible* crit rng on his specials. Nameless Collector might have really high Challenge Rating or crit resistance, that could cause you to be better served by an sp1 spam rotation.

    But with all of that in mind, Nameless Collector is, imo, the hardest fight in the game and it’s not close. Any champ who can solo it, especially as comfortably as shown here, is a champ worth taking notice of.
  • Scrubkiller_1Scrubkiller_1 Member Posts: 152 ★
    Yes, he needs a slight tweak
    Wicket329 said:

    https://youtu.be/WJHWYy99E2U?si=7s-JHojpv28Afjm4

    Obviously a bad champ, so terrible, not good at anything.

    Yes, there is a synergy team in place here where Northstar was made a Horseman and had a Guidance prefight. But it’s also at the last fight of the Abyss (and is a viable team for the Magnificent Mutants Necropolis challenge), so it’s hard to say it’s not a practical team.

    Also worth noting that BMcG went for sp1 spam rather than a cycle involving multiple sp2s to ramp the damage further. This is a safer way to play, especially considering he was getting *terrible* crit rng on his specials. Nameless Collector might have really high Challenge Rating or crit resistance, that could cause you to be better served by an sp1 spam rotation.

    But with all of that in mind, Nameless Collector is, imo, the hardest fight in the game and it’s not close. Any champ who can solo it, especially as comfortably as shown here, is a champ worth taking notice of.

    That is super impressive! I'll try it out in necrop. I'm not attempting to say that Northstar is *bad* persay, just that in his target matchups/content, he is outmatched by other characters in the same class and with different targets, in addition to being outmatched everywhere else. That said, I'll test out this rotation and team with some small boosts and get back to this post :). He does have a great kit for that fight though, I'm hoping he can do similar things in necropolis.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,021 ★★★★★
    Besides long form content has anyone used him in BGs and war?
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