GENTLE - HOW TO DESTROY A CHAMPS POTENTIAL WITH 1 BAD MECHANIC!

The last thing a Bullseye counter needs is a mechanic that inflicts self-damage. What’s the point in being able to counter bullseye’s evade or bleed if you still lose 10% - 2% Health anyway if you play perfectly. This will happen against any defender that you fight with gentle, as long as you want max damage output. This will be a nightmare in battlegrounds because losing 10% health will lose you many matches over time… even the 2% health loss will cost you a win now and again. This mechanic basically punishes the player for playing well and going for max damage output… how satisfying is that right?! There’s nothing more satisfying then throwing a fully ramped SP2 and seeing your healthbar drop down. 👍🏽

Gentle is a 20% revives worst nightmare… throw 2 specials for max damage output and you’re KO’d without the defender even damaging you.

Gentle’s signature ability reduces the 10% health loss down to 2% at max sig. So basically… you gave Gentle a weakness that has no valid reason for even existing… and then making players have to invest sig stones into him, just to take away only 80% of this weakness… 🤕 what a waste of a signature ability.

MSD made a video that shows that Okoye is capable of being a better Bullseye counter than Gentle… who was made to be a Bullseye counter 💀 Okoye can counter bullseye’s evade without losing 10% health for playing her the right way. Okoye wasn’t even created to be a niche counter to bullseye like Gentle was… 🤦🏽‍♂️

These niche champions that are made to counter 1 champion out of 200+ is getting ridiculous. Gentle & Patriot seem to be in the same boat. Both champions aren’t even the best at countering the single champion they were made to counter… No reason to use either of them over any other champion for anything! Please remove this terrible mechanic from Gentle… that’s literally all you have to do. Self-damage mechanic is lame. Ihulk is so unsatisfying to play because of it too.

Comments

captain_rogers

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?

kvirr

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?

hell nah

dr2ws

A champ bad for Battlegrounds! Oh shucks!

On a serious note don’t even bother with the 7* if you are serious about Gentle just go for the 6*.

WednesdayLength

Idk how anyone can say okoye was a better bullseye counter than gentle lmao. You're gonna lose more health to blocking his specials than you are taking recoil as gentle and it's a much less safe fight. Wait until you get the champion before making claims about what they need to be better based on a3 fight YouTube video

Asher1_1

Your next post 😂 why recoil mastery exist 🤣

Herbal_Taxman

Idk how anyone can say okoye was a better bullseye counter than gentle lmao. You're gonna lose more health to blocking his specials than you are taking recoil as gentle and it's a much less safe fight. Wait until you get the champion before making claims about what they need to be better based on a3 fight YouTube video

Fair enough but MSD is not just some loudmouth on the forums.

BigBlueOx

Idk how anyone can say okoye was a better bullseye counter than gentle lmao. You're gonna lose more health to blocking his specials than you are taking recoil as gentle and it's a much less safe fight. Wait until you get the champion before making claims about what they need to be better based on a3 fight YouTube video

Except Okoye is capable of taking out Bullseye before he can even throw a single special

PT_99

A champ bad for Battlegrounds! Oh shucks!

On a serious note don’t even bother with the 7* if you are serious about Gentle just go for the 6*.

6*
💀💀😱😭😭😭

Good luck taking out 7r4 Bullseyes with 6* 💀

Buttehrs

Idk how anyone can say okoye was a better bullseye counter than gentle lmao. You're gonna lose more health to blocking his specials than you are taking recoil as gentle and it's a much less safe fight. Wait until you get the champion before making claims about what they need to be better based on a3 fight YouTube video
Fair enough but MSD is not just some loudmouth on the forums.

Counterpoint, everyone has their own options.

Ashacekar

So it's a self destruct pokemon. I will add on recoil too and instruct "Gentle, do self destruct", cool. But it would feel bad if it says it wasn't super effective.

Ashacekar

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?
hell nah

Got it covered

captain_rogers

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?
hell nah
Got it covered

An unrelated question. I feel extremely sad my pokemon knowledge is fading, anyways, does onyx learn self destruct? And isn't explosion better than self destruct even though both kills the user?

GroundedWisdom

It's 2.5% at Max Sig. You will survive.

Ashacekar

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?

The question is, is gentle sp deal that much damage that the 10% health loss is justified?
hell nah
Got it covered

An unrelated question. I feel extremely sad my pokemon knowledge is fading, anyways, does onyx learn self destruct? And isn't explosion better than self destruct even though both kills the user?

Onyx doesn't have that move. Yup, explosion is more powerful that self destruct. I believe it's gentle with and without recoil respectively as explosion and self-destruct.

I think Gentle is here to teach us a lesson on empathy for our champs, we will get emotional when he faints every match telling us "I did it for you master".

kus234

Who cares? I ain't buying any of those . My sinister is enough for Bullseye

Average_Desi

Idk how anyone can say okoye was a better bullseye counter than gentle lmao. You're gonna lose more health to blocking his specials than you are taking recoil as gentle and it's a much less safe fight. Wait until you get the champion before making claims about what they need to be better based on a3 fight YouTube video

If anything, the fact that a r3 s200(which is crucial for reducing recoil for Gentle) loses more health is in favour of Okoye being a better matchup for bullseye.

Herbal_Taxman

Idk how anyone can say okoye was a better bullseye counter than gentle lmao. You're gonna lose more health to blocking his specials than you are taking recoil as gentle and it's a much less safe fight. Wait until you get the champion before making claims about what they need to be better based on a3 fight YouTube video
Fair enough but MSD is not just some loudmouth on the forums.
Counterpoint, everyone has their own options.

Counterpoint, some are much more valuable than others.

WednesdayLength

Idk how anyone can say okoye was a better bullseye counter than gentle lmao. You're gonna lose more health to blocking his specials than you are taking recoil as gentle and it's a much less safe fight. Wait until you get the champion before making claims about what they need to be better based on a3 fight YouTube video
Fair enough but MSD is not just some loudmouth on the forums.

Sure, but when he says okoye is better against bullseye when showing she isn't I think it's valid to complain about

Emilia90

Who cares? I ain't buying any of those . My sinister is enough for Bullseye

Inequity

Emilia90

I just watched trappy nuke BG level bullseyes before even taking the recoil…what exactly is the issue here?

Sachhyam257

I'm ngl, I don't even think the recoil part of his kit is that bad. Even in bgs, if he's r3 he should be able to deal with most matchups without taking dmg back.

The worst part imo, is the fact that he can't willingly activate his own utility. It sucks. He NEEDS the opponent/node to trigger sth for them to activate. This makes him only a specialized counter, when he could've otherwise been an amazing general questing champ. I just feel that his kit is kinda wasted as it is now...

EdisonLaw

Do not go Gentle with him

StuntzTheCMMKid

I don't know much about Gentle, but here is an r3 unawakened Okoye vs r3 sig 40 Bullseye fight that one of my alliance fam did. IMO she's looking good against him. She even took a couple of hits. I can imagine the quicker KO's she'll deal which will lead to less loss of health, when she's awakened.

captain_rogers

Who cares? I ain't buying any of those . My sinister is enough for Bullseye
Inequity

Stark spidy is the best bullseye counter.

Vanitelia

And herein lies the problem of YT videos and promo Deep Dives. Vanilla fights that have the same health pools to what we see in BG's but lack the nodes associated with them. It's not a realistic scenario since 95% of the game has nodes/metas.

It's a shame that the success of every champ that comes out is dependent upon them being either a Serpent or Bullseye counter. We already have plenty in the game.

RockSlyde

I think it's weird that he has a pursuit passive. Yeah, it makes him a better bullseye counter but how exactly does it make any sense for his character? I feel like Kabam has been focusing much more on filling rpg needs over fulfilling character fantasies with certain champs, and this is a big example of that. Okoye is much better as a thematically aligned bullseye counter

Average_Desi

I think it's weird that he has a pursuit passive. Yeah, it makes him a better bullseye counter but how exactly does it make any sense for his character? I feel like Kabam has been focusing much more on filling rpg needs over fulfilling character fantasies with certain champs, and this is a big example of that. Okoye is much better as a thematically aligned bullseye counter

"Makes sense as a character" is nonsense. There might be a theme but none of it matter in game. What even is evade anyway? Or what is evade counter? How does okoye dashing back give her the ability to counter evade?

Character fantasies are just broad aims for a character.

Pursuit, miss , evade, all of those only make proper sense in game. What even is a true accuracy? Why can bullseye counter miss? It does not make sense that he can hit Ghost while she's in the quantum realm. Yes bullseye does not "miss" . But character wise that just refers to his aim. Not at the ability to make contact with intangible objects.

WednesdayLength

I just watched trappy nuke BG level bullseyes before even taking the recoil…what exactly is the issue here?

People be mad

WednesdayLength

I don't know much about Gentle, but here is an r3 unawakened Okoye vs r3 sig 40 Bullseye fight that one of my alliance fam did. IMO she's looking good against him. She even took a couple of hits. I can imagine the quicker KO's she'll deal which will lead to less loss of health, when she's awakened.

She took more damage than gentle would take in recoil and also requires a lot of ai luck. She a great bullseye counter but people acting like she somehow way stronger than gentle for that is kinda nuts

BigBlueOx

R5a Bullseye using R3 unduped.