Bastion: The Ultimate Energy DOT Counter

HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★
So I've been watching the Bastion Deep Dive over and over again and have realized Bastion is an absolute Swiss Army Knife and potentially the greatest Energy DOT (labeled "non-instant Energy damage effects" in his kit) counter to exist - let me explain.

First I want to focus on the big niche he'll fit in - countering Energy DOT. The Infection he ends up applying reduces the Ability Accuracy (both Off and Def) of Energy DOTs, specifically. Yes, that means he doesn't counter any Physical DOT like Rupture or Corrosion, or Direct Damage DOT like Degeneration or Disintegration.

BUT - if there's a defender that applies Energy-based DOT (Incinerate, Shock, Plasma, Nova Flame, Coldsnap, Soul Barb, Critical Failure, and Neuroshock) and he prevents it from proc'ing, he'll feed his own Direct Damaging effects via applying Disintegrate Vulnerability (2x max stack adding up to 32% vuln; 64% for Mutants).

So that's his niche. But it doesn't stop there. In addition to handling all those DOT effects he can counter:
  • Bleed
  • Poison - also can't have his regen rate reduced by poison
  • Crush
  • Non-Contact attacks
  • Unblockable attacks (Instant regen 85% damage if block broken)
  • Higher combat power rate (Power Reroute)
  • Evade (Pursuit)
Then, to add even more sauce into his kit:
  • Self-Repair is EITHER 8% Missing Health or 3% Max Health AND its bias is to the greater value
  • Infection reduces opponent attack rating by 35%
  • SP1: 10% Direct damage bursts that double (or even triple) up when the opponent is Infected
  • SP2: 36% Fury passive; doubled if Infected; will amplify the above bursts on sp1
  • SP3: Applies a Disintegration debuff which feeds the sp1 and thus triples the burst damage as mentioned above
  • Sentinel relic FURTHER increases Disintegration potency by 10% (20% against Mutants)
And THEN, just because why not, his sig ability:
  • Expands to counter Energy DOTs from NODES (Hazard Shift who??)
  • Adds a pause to his abilities (Regen, Furies, Disintegrations, Disintegration Vulns, Pursuit, Infection) against Mutants
  • Increases his sp2 Fury potency by up to 30% at sig 200
They somehow combined Prowler (Pursuit), Ultron (big damage), Omega Sentinel (Bleed/Poison Resistance; easy Evade instead of Miss counter), and Future Ant-Man (Self-Repair; Disintegration) into one champ. Tanky? Check. Hits hard?? Check. Counters a ton of champs AND nodes??? Check. Basically, he's a Tech Count Nefaria, who's amazing.

I need this guy as a 7* and to get him to sig 200 - he'll likely be my first tech r4. #SaveTitansForJune. Get pumped!!

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  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,955 ★★★★★
    #SaveForBastion
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,955 ★★★★★

    So I've been watching the Bastion Deep Dive over and over again and have realized Bastion is an absolute Swiss Army Knife and potentially the greatest Energy DOT (labeled "non-instant Energy damage effects" in his kit) counter to exist - let me explain.

    First I want to focus on the big niche he'll fit in - countering Energy DOT. The Infection he ends up applying reduces the Ability Accuracy (both Off and Def) of Energy DOTs, specifically. Yes, that means he doesn't counter any Physical DOT like Rupture or Corrosion, or Direct Damage DOT like Degeneration or Disintegration.

    BUT - if there's a defender that applies Energy-based DOT (Incinerate, Shock, Plasma, Nova Flame, Coldsnap, Soul Barb, Critical Failure, and Neuroshock) and he prevents it from proc'ing, he'll feed his own Direct Damaging effects via applying Disintegrate Vulnerability (2x max stack adding up to 32% vuln; 64% for Mutants).

    So that's his niche. But it doesn't stop there. In addition to handling all those DOT effects he can counter:

    • Bleed
    • Poison - also can't have his regen rate reduced by poison
    • Crush
    • Non-Contact attacks
    • Unblockable attacks (Instant regen 85% damage if block broken)
    • Higher combat power rate (Power Reroute)
    • Evade (Pursuit)
    Then, to add even more sauce into his kit:
    • Self-Repair is EITHER 8% Missing Health or 3% Max Health AND its bias is to the greater value
    • Infection reduces opponent attack rating by 35%
    • SP1: 10% Direct damage bursts that double (or even triple) up when the opponent is Infected
    • SP2: 36% Fury passive; doubled if Infected; will amplify the above bursts on sp1
    • SP3: Applies a Disintegration debuff which feeds the sp1 and thus triples the burst damage as mentioned above
    • Sentinel relic FURTHER increases Disintegration potency by 10% (20% against Mutants)
    And THEN, just because why not, his sig ability:
    • Expands to counter Energy DOTs from NODES (Hazard Shift who??)
    • Adds a pause to his abilities (Regen, Furies, Disintegrations, Disintegration Vulns, Pursuit, Infection) against Mutants
    • Increases his sp2 Fury potency by up to 30% at sig 200
    They somehow combined Prowler (Pursuit), Ultron (big damage), Omega Sentinel (Bleed/Poison Resistance; easy Evade instead of Miss counter), and Future Ant-Man (Self-Repair; Disintegration) into one champ. Tanky? Check. Hits hard?? Check. Counters a ton of champs AND nodes??? Check. Basically, he's a Tech Count Nefaria, who's amazing.

    I need this guy as a 7* and to get him to sig 200 - he'll likely be my first tech r4. #SaveTitansForJune. Get pumped!!
    Plus Warlock with the infections and virus
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Plus Warlock with the infections and virus
    Knew I forgot something - you right
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,955 ★★★★★
    "BUT - if there's a defender that applies Energy-based DOT (Incinerate, Shock, Plasma, Nova Flame, Coldsnap, Soul Barb, Critical Failure, and Neuroshock) and he prevents it from proc'ing, he'll feed his own Direct Damaging effects via applying Disintegrate Vulnerability (2x max stack adding up to 32% vuln; 64% for Mutants)"


    So does this mean that he can take Domino even though he is not immune to Ability Accuracy Reduction?
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    "BUT - if there's a defender that applies Energy-based DOT (Incinerate, Shock, Plasma, Nova Flame, Coldsnap, Soul Barb, Critical Failure, and Neuroshock) and he prevents it from proc'ing, he'll feed his own Direct Damaging effects via applying Disintegrate Vulnerability (2x max stack adding up to 32% vuln; 64% for Mutants)"


    So does this mean that he can take Domino even though he is not immune to Ability Accuracy Reduction?

    Probably not. I copied/pasted from the official MCOC website’s Glossary to define Energy Damaging effects. Domino’s kit is old school like Archangel’s - very simple and thus absolute. Nothing can affect her Ability Accuracy as a whole, which extends to Critical Failure.
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★

    hell no I'm not icing my roster till june
    Lol I get it man. I’ve posted it on a few other threads, I just already have all six of the fall’s pool (Enchantress —> Shathra, iDoom and BWDO) and duped them so I’m saving. Not worth spinning em out if I don’t want nearly half of who’s in it in my opinion
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,589 ★★★★★
    edited March 3

    Lol I get it man. I’ve posted it on a few other threads, I just already have all six of the fall’s pool (Enchantress —> Shathra, iDoom and BWDO) and duped them so I’m saving. Not worth spinning em out if I don’t want nearly half of who’s in it in my opinion
    fair but titans are only going to get easier and easier to get, besides once bastion gets in he stays in there for almost a year
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★

    fair but titans are only going to get easier and easier to get, besides once bastion gets in he stays in there for almost a year
    The pain I know I’ll feel getting more sigs on BWDO or iDoom are enough to push me to save lol
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★

    So I've been watching the Bastion Deep Dive over and over again and have realized Bastion is an absolute Swiss Army Knife and potentially the greatest Energy DOT (labeled "non-instant Energy damage effects" in his kit) counter to exist - let me explain.

    First I want to focus on the big niche he'll fit in - countering Energy DOT. The Infection he ends up applying reduces the Ability Accuracy (both Off and Def) of Energy DOTs, specifically. Yes, that means he doesn't counter any Physical DOT like Rupture or Corrosion, or Direct Damage DOT like Degeneration or Disintegration.

    BUT - if there's a defender that applies Energy-based DOT (Incinerate, Shock, Plasma, Nova Flame, Coldsnap, Soul Barb, Critical Failure, and Neuroshock) and he prevents it from proc'ing, he'll feed his own Direct Damaging effects via applying Disintegrate Vulnerability (2x max stack adding up to 32% vuln; 64% for Mutants).

    So that's his niche. But it doesn't stop there. In addition to handling all those DOT effects he can counter:

    • Bleed
    • Poison - also can't have his regen rate reduced by poison
    • Crush
    • Non-Contact attacks
    • Unblockable attacks (Instant regen 85% damage if block broken)
    • Higher combat power rate (Power Reroute)
    • Evade (Pursuit)
    Then, to add even more sauce into his kit:
    • Self-Repair is EITHER 8% Missing Health or 3% Max Health AND its bias is to the greater value
    • Infection reduces opponent attack rating by 35%
    • SP1: 10% Direct damage bursts that double (or even triple) up when the opponent is Infected
    • SP2: 36% Fury passive; doubled if Infected; will amplify the above bursts on sp1
    • SP3: Applies a Disintegration debuff which feeds the sp1 and thus triples the burst damage as mentioned above
    • Sentinel relic FURTHER increases Disintegration potency by 10% (20% against Mutants)
    And THEN, just because why not, his sig ability:
    • Expands to counter Energy DOTs from NODES (Hazard Shift who??)
    • Adds a pause to his abilities (Regen, Furies, Disintegrations, Disintegration Vulns, Pursuit, Infection) against Mutants
    • Increases his sp2 Fury potency by up to 30% at sig 200
    They somehow combined Prowler (Pursuit), Ultron (big damage), Omega Sentinel (Bleed/Poison Resistance; easy Evade instead of Miss counter), and Future Ant-Man (Self-Repair; Disintegration) into one champ. Tanky? Check. Hits hard?? Check. Counters a ton of champs AND nodes??? Check. Basically, he's a Tech Count Nefaria, who's amazing.

    I need this guy as a 7* and to get him to sig 200 - he'll likely be my first tech r4. #SaveTitansForJune. Get pumped!!
    Edit: One other dope thing about Bastion is his Self-Repairs will proc against Instant Bleeds as well (screw you Bullseye)!
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,730 ★★★★★

    fair but titans are only going to get easier and easier to get, besides once bastion gets in he stays in there for almost a year
    Why does he stay in there for almost year?
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,730 ★★★★★
    What is "proc" and "proc'ing"?
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,589 ★★★★★

    Why does he stay in there for almost year?
    titan cycles like every 3 months, champs stay in for 3 cycles, 3 × 3 = 9 months, rounding up you get almost a year
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,955 ★★★★★

    What is "proc" and "proc'ing"?

    activating?
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 5,793 ★★★★★
    Degeneration damage has gone too long getting protected this much,
    Bastion should counter that as well.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,955 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    Degeneration damage has gone too long getting protected this much,
    Bastion should counter that as well.

    I think Kabam specifically made degen as a mostly unavoidable form of DOT with no immunities, and few resistances
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★

    "In gaming, "proc" is an abbreviation for "special process" that refers to an event that occurs under specific conditions. For example, a weapon might have a chance to apply a special effect, like poison damage, after each hit.

    Explanation
    Proc is a term used in game programming. It originated as an abbreviation for "spec_proc", which was used by Jeremy Elson, the original programmer of Circle-MUD. In Circle-MUD, special processes were functions that could be assigned to players, objects, and locations in the world.

    When gamers discuss "how often this weapon procs", they are referring to the likelihood of the special effect occurring"
    Lol thank you dude!! Realize now not everyone uses it. My b! @Terminatrix
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 976 ★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    Degeneration damage has gone too long getting protected this much,
    Bastion should counter that as well.

    then how would they make money from nodes like no retreat, bane, brute force, etc that rely on degen for punishment?
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 5,793 ★★★★★
    Wolf911 said:

    then how would they make money from nodes like no retreat, bane, brute force, etc that rely on degen for punishment?
    Idk, maybe innovation? 🎉
  • Childish_AlminoChildish_Almino Member Posts: 62

    Probably not. I copied/pasted from the official MCOC website’s Glossary to define Energy Damaging effects. Domino’s kit is old school like Archangel’s - very simple and thus absolute. Nothing can affect her Ability Accuracy as a whole, which extends to Critical Failure.
    I think he can take her as good as Guardian if not a bit worse perhaps.~
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,666 ★★★★★
    It remains to be seen how practical this utility is, because 40-60% is not 100%.

    You can well time block to get 8 charges, but if you can't parry, then you have to do 4 mediums and hope that you don't receive any Energy DoT during that time. And then, when you're comboing away, you also have to hope that the Energy DoT still doesn't get through on occasion.

    Plus, Kabam likes sticking AAR immunity nodes on most of their difficult fights, so this utility disappears for those fights.

    Angela still remains the queen of DoT, as decreasing the duration of damaging debuffs is rarely blocked.

    However, Bastion does have a lot more going on, so he does seem more interesting and useful for a wide variety of things.
  • Mismag822Mismag822 Member Posts: 71
    altavista said:

    It remains to be seen how practical this utility is, because 40-60% is not 100%.

    The difference with bastion is that his aar is a flat percent which means he can fully shut down hazard shift unless there is an aar immunity, increased aa or opponent has at least 3 unique buffs.
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★

    I think he can take her as good as Guardian if not a bit worse perhaps.~
    Nah - Guardian increases his Energy Resistance, which decreases the Critical Failure damage potency itself. Bastion doesn’t do that, he reduces Ability Accuracy, and Domino’s can’t be reduced whatsoever.

    He’s still a Tech champ, so he’ll never get Unlucky, which means no further reduction to his Ability Accuracy like other classes or impact on crits or block proficiency. But if he Crit Fails (which is still prossible) he’ll still take all the Crit Fails damage.
  • Mismag822Mismag822 Member Posts: 71
    edited March 4

    Bastion doesn’t do that, he reduces Ability Accuracy, and Domino’s can’t be reduced whatsoever.

    Where does it state that domino's ability accuracy can't be reduced whatsoever? She can have it increased but I don't think it states anywhere that it can't be decreased.

    Domino's critical failure damage is an energy DOT which unless I am wrong should count towards the "non-instant Energy damage effects" part of Bastion's kit. His infections which reduces ability accuracy of energy DOT upto 60% flat against mutants would prevent critical failure from triggering and inflict disintegration vulnerability instead.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 1,596 ★★★★

    Nah - Guardian increases his Energy Resistance, which decreases the Critical Failure damage potency itself. Bastion doesn’t do that, he reduces Ability Accuracy, and Domino’s can’t be reduced whatsoever.

    He’s still a Tech champ, so he’ll never get Unlucky, which means no further reduction to his Ability Accuracy like other classes or impact on crits or block proficiency. But if he Crit Fails (which is still prossible) he’ll still take all the Crit Fails damage.
    You can even prevent the 15% flat AAR that domino applies by applying AAR on Domino first.
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★
    Mismag822 said:

    Where does it state that domino's ability accuracy can't be reduced whatsoever? She can have it increased but I don't think it states anywhere that it can't be decreased.

    Domino's critical failure damage is an energy DOT which unless I am wrong should count towards the "non-instant Energy damage effects" part of Bastion's kit. His infections which reduces ability accuracy of energy DOT upto 60% flat against mutants would prevent critical failure from triggering and inflict disintegration vulnerability instead.
    Oh damn you're right! I stand corrected, he WILL counter Crit fail!
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,903 ★★★★
    Is there any way to get him before June?
  • HassamaMamaHassamaMama Member Posts: 340 ★★★

    Is there any way to get him before June?

    Sadly just his Early Access bundles for money and then crystals in game
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,903 ★★★★

    Sadly just his Early Access bundles for money and then crystals in game
    Ah yeah, I forgot that's how they pre-release champs. And I guess the 6* will be available through Arena.
    I can't even imagine how many points it will take to get him, especially if we're competing with modders.
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