General_Vis wrote: » They’ll have to add them at some point if they continue to rotate the pool, even if they don’t have 2 back to back. Hopefully they’ll only add them after they go through a tweaking process similar to Luke Cage and Red Hulk.
RedRooster wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » RedRooster wrote: » @DNA3000 Your post about data mining is exactly why I've said some sampling bias is not necessarily bad. Because it depends on your objective. Looking at new account or low skill account data is not really going to garner you useful information on "effectiveness". 1. Sampling bias is always bad unless it is controlled. If you don't know in what specific way you're skewed, your conclusions can't be justified, even if the skew direction was intentional. 2. As I mentioned before, you're talking about "effectiveness" to mean "potential" whereas game developers almost certainly do not. You totally missed my point even though we're on the same page. Did I say uncontrolled? I specifically said why you would bias a particular way, therefore you would know how you're skewed.
DNA3000 wrote: » RedRooster wrote: » @DNA3000 Your post about data mining is exactly why I've said some sampling bias is not necessarily bad. Because it depends on your objective. Looking at new account or low skill account data is not really going to garner you useful information on "effectiveness". 1. Sampling bias is always bad unless it is controlled. If you don't know in what specific way you're skewed, your conclusions can't be justified, even if the skew direction was intentional. 2. As I mentioned before, you're talking about "effectiveness" to mean "potential" whereas game developers almost certainly do not.
RedRooster wrote: » @DNA3000 Your post about data mining is exactly why I've said some sampling bias is not necessarily bad. Because it depends on your objective. Looking at new account or low skill account data is not really going to garner you useful information on "effectiveness".
And the reason why "effectivness" is in quotes is because it's such a nebulous concept. I have no idea what their metrics are and neither do you, but it is the term that the Kabam mods used.
bradshaw84 wrote: » No increased odds for new champs negates the need to spend 5k extra. So if u want a specific champ u spend an extra 5k for a 1 in 24 chance as opposed to 1 in 90 or so with the basic. Either way you’re screwed so just buy basics. I really don’t see the benefit of featured crystals now, at all. What you’ve done is basically change the odds of getting the champ u want from 1 in 5 (roughly) to 1 in 24 and try and convince us it’s a good thing, nice try lol.
linux wrote: » Executioner_83 wrote: » I have a real concern regarding this and would like clarification and certainty that kabam will be smart and not put she-hulk, khamala khan, spidergwen and other mediocre champs that are completely and utterly useless???? I would suggest re-reading Miike's posts. He said that the tried to avoid the worst champs by finding those (based on data mining) that are reasonably effective: "I didn't say most used, but they are among the most effective." For the life of me, I can't understand how Ant Man made that list (he was buffed slightly but still doesn't do enough damage with poison; his signature ability slows fights down but he's still easy to kill in AW; it does very little for offense) -- so I'd take this with a grain of salt -- but he said: He also said: "Champions will repeat, but will not appear twice in a row." -- so it's possible that the same 18 will be used for the crystal after the next crystal; or that it'll change every time. They don't necessarily need to include any of the best or the worst champs. (Other than Ant Man and Thor JF, I think they avoided the worst champs. On the flip side, the avoided all the most popular champs but did choose some champs with possible uses -- not always the best champ for that use, but definitely not the worst. (Except ability reduction -- that's really not covered in any meaningful way.)
Executioner_83 wrote: » I have a real concern regarding this and would like clarification and certainty that kabam will be smart and not put she-hulk, khamala khan, spidergwen and other mediocre champs that are completely and utterly useless????
Kabam Miike wrote: » General_Vis wrote: » Is there any logic to who the 18 other champs will be? Such as will they follow a pattern of previously released champs or will they simply be chosen by Kabam? There is no Pattern. They will be chosen by the team, but we're taking extra care to make the Crystals more interesting for you all.
General_Vis wrote: » Is there any logic to who the 18 other champs will be? Such as will they follow a pattern of previously released champs or will they simply be chosen by Kabam?
Gladiator09 wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » Grimmbear wrote: » I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes. If you are not a fan of the Champions in the Crystal, you can always wait until the Featured Champion you like is added to the Basic Pool, like the 3-Star and 4-Star Champions. Also, nobody said they are the top Champions, and while player perception of these Champions may differ, these Champions are ones that people use to great success. Yassss I will beat collector with Antman and cyclops
Kabam Miike wrote: » Grimmbear wrote: » I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes. If you are not a fan of the Champions in the Crystal, you can always wait until the Featured Champion you like is added to the Basic Pool, like the 3-Star and 4-Star Champions. Also, nobody said they are the top Champions, and while player perception of these Champions may differ, these Champions are ones that people use to great success.
Grimmbear wrote: » I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes.
DNA3000 wrote: » RedRooster wrote: » @DNA3000 Your post about data mining is exactly why I've said some sampling bias is not necessarily bad. Because it depends on your objective. Looking at new account or low skill account data is not really going to garner you useful information on "effectiveness". 1. Sampling bias is always bad unless it is controlled. If you don't know in what specific way you're skewed, your conclusions can't be justified, even if the skew direction was intentional. 2. As I mentioned before, you're talking about "effectiveness" to mean "potential" whereas game developers almost certainly do not. The devs don't really care, most of the time, if you're twice as strong with Blade as I am. They don't care because they don't have to care. You being twice as good as me with Blade won't in and of itself help or hurt the game as a whole. What they care about because they have to care about it, is what Blade is doing now in the hands of all the players that have him, and what will happen when a million players eventually get their hands on him. That can make or break the game, so 99% of the time what matters to them is what actually happens, not what happens in the top tier or what happens with the absolute best players or what is the best that can possibly happen. Short of game-breaking exploitability, what matters is what everyone does with Blade, not what the few best players can do with him. Keep in mind this is all somewhat moot, because while this academic discussion surrounds @Kabam Miike 's use of the word "effective" it doesn't directly say anything about the intent of the featured crystal. If we all start agreeing on how we will all use the word "effective" or even how we should measure it, it won't change the content of the crystal. They chose those champions for their own internal reasons, and hitting the devs over the head with a dictionary won't change their minds any more than I could change your mind about how good the crystal is by forcing you to redefine the word "good." Even if I get you to change your mind about the word, it wouldn't change your opinion. The word is just a way to express the opinion. You'd change words, not your mind. The devs aren't going to change their minds either. At best, and even this is unlikely, they will just change words.
CentriuntheX wrote: » Just don't put in bad champs. As long as you do that I will be fine. This also makes the game balanced.
Kabam Miike wrote: » Notvasq wrote: » How will those 18 champions be chosed? Will you choose, according to y'all standard, few *bad* pull, like a lottery ticket where it is a *better chance next time*. Because let's be honest, you can't really put in that crystal the top 18 you can think of everytime. But you guys can decide to put a few of those *bad* champs in it. Or along with that new crystal, are you guys planning to try to balance the tier list overall? We are using empirical data based on Champion performance in Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars to decide which Champions will be added to the Crystal. This means that while Player perception of the Champions may not always align, we are trying to avoid poor performing Champions in these Crystals.
Notvasq wrote: » How will those 18 champions be chosed? Will you choose, according to y'all standard, few *bad* pull, like a lottery ticket where it is a *better chance next time*. Because let's be honest, you can't really put in that crystal the top 18 you can think of everytime. But you guys can decide to put a few of those *bad* champs in it. Or along with that new crystal, are you guys planning to try to balance the tier list overall?
Raganator wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » bradshaw84 wrote: » Beast, Jane foster, Cyclops, Ronan, Loki, Phoenix, Venompool, civil warrior, ant man amongst the 18 best and most used in aq and aw? GTFOH! LMAO! Kabam Miike wrote: » Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars. Beast Storm Cable Cyclops (New Xavier School)Thor (Ragnarok) Taskmaster Agent Venom HawkeyeModok Sentry Void Ant-Man Mordo Thor (Jane Foster) Loki JuggernautHela Phoenix Ronan Venompool Nebula Punisher (2099) Civil Warrior Doctor Octopus Bold Text denotes Featured Champions. I didn't say most used, but they are among the most effective. Cyclops actually scores very high on this list. There is a smaller group of players that use him, but they use him VERY effectively. Map 1...Day 1.
Kabam Miike wrote: » bradshaw84 wrote: » Beast, Jane foster, Cyclops, Ronan, Loki, Phoenix, Venompool, civil warrior, ant man amongst the 18 best and most used in aq and aw? GTFOH! LMAO! Kabam Miike wrote: » Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars. Beast Storm Cable Cyclops (New Xavier School)Thor (Ragnarok) Taskmaster Agent Venom HawkeyeModok Sentry Void Ant-Man Mordo Thor (Jane Foster) Loki JuggernautHela Phoenix Ronan Venompool Nebula Punisher (2099) Civil Warrior Doctor Octopus Bold Text denotes Featured Champions. I didn't say most used, but they are among the most effective. Cyclops actually scores very high on this list. There is a smaller group of players that use him, but they use him VERY effectively.
bradshaw84 wrote: » Beast, Jane foster, Cyclops, Ronan, Loki, Phoenix, Venompool, civil warrior, ant man amongst the 18 best and most used in aq and aw? GTFOH! LMAO! Kabam Miike wrote: » Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars. Beast Storm Cable Cyclops (New Xavier School)Thor (Ragnarok) Taskmaster Agent Venom HawkeyeModok Sentry Void Ant-Man Mordo Thor (Jane Foster) Loki JuggernautHela Phoenix Ronan Venompool Nebula Punisher (2099) Civil Warrior Doctor Octopus Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.
Kabam Miike wrote: » Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars. Beast Storm Cable Cyclops (New Xavier School)Thor (Ragnarok) Taskmaster Agent Venom HawkeyeModok Sentry Void Ant-Man Mordo Thor (Jane Foster) Loki JuggernautHela Phoenix Ronan Venompool Nebula Punisher (2099) Civil Warrior Doctor Octopus Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.
Mlgraon wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » Grimmbear wrote: » I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes. If you are not a fan of the Champions in the Crystal, you can always wait until the Featured Champion you like is added to the Basic Pool, like the 3-Star and 4-Star Champions. Also, nobody said they are the top Champions, and while player perception of these Champions may differ, these Champions are ones that people use to great success. People who have never played the game? Employees of Kabam who are willing to Lie to you for money?Perhaps people who only use auto fight?If your going to do soethingmlike this at least have benefit.Sure more money for you but if you continually do this people will hate you. In fact youll be fired if i was Ceo.
round3r wrote: » FIRST, for those of us playing for 2+ years, we remember how RARE 5* used to be. The featured crystal was there so you could save up and land a champ you REALLY wanted. It was to be THE centerpiece of your Roster and make it UNIQUE. Shards were rare, T4CC were scarce, and T2A were non-existent… So your decisions mattered and your trophy was earned. It was a source of pride and accomplishment, as everyone was jealous of “that guy” with a duped 5* Dorm in AW. But now, 5* shards are more available than ever, as Kabam is gears everyone up for 6-stars (like it or not). So being able to “CHOOSE” a 5-star champ isn’t a unique thing anymore. Instead of studying the Character Spotlights, forums, reddit and fighting duels to see if a Champ fit your playing style and roster needs (before you poured all your hard-earned resources into it), people just wait for the YouTube consensus Top Champ (remember DS?) and build the “ideal” roster. No faster way to unbalance a game than when everyone uses the SAME three champs.SECOND, the new Featured 5* Crystal will reduce the frustration of spending 15k a pop on outdated, low-prestige, weak champs with a more focused pool. When Blade first came out I spent 45k on Iron Patriot, Colossus and Groot (my last 15k pulled Blade, and grinned ear-to-ear for a week), but a better pool of consolation champs would have been great. More importantly, it will return us to the days where the ‘regular’ 5* Crystal only had a small pool of Champs… So duping a 5* and earning precious 6* Shards will be easier! Just wait for a Crystal [pool] that overlaps a majority of your roster… and you’ll finally be able to dupe that Starlord, Storm or Magik <i>and</i> rack up 6* shards towards a new Trophy Champ. Which btw is now available via the 6-Star Featured Crystal (assuredly replacing the old 5* Feature). ULTIMATELY, as the Game, Champs and Rewards continued to expand… This move was inevitable. Imho it will maintain the variety, rarity ratio, game balance and sense of accomplishment we’ve previously had. Kabam makes a lot of mistakes (I genuinely never thought I'd defend them), but I don’t believe this is one. P.S. To everyone peeing their pants about Blade (because they undervalued/ignored him when he was originally available), Kabam did you a solid… You will still get your shot. P.P.S. While I welcome newer players in general (who weren’t even playing when Blade came out), don’t think for one second that you deserve a god-tier 5* after 90 days. Stick to COD and lag switches… Your sense of entitlement makes me sick. You need to SUFFER thru all the nerfs, loss of PB Synergy, the v12 patch, weekly AW rule changes, et al. like the rest of us before you deserve him.
Jaffacaked wrote: » round3r wrote: » FIRST, for those of us playing for 2+ years, we remember how RARE 5* used to be. The featured crystal was there so you could save up and land a champ you REALLY wanted. It was to be THE centerpiece of your Roster and make it UNIQUE. Shards were rare, T4CC were scarce, and T2A were non-existent… So your decisions mattered and your trophy was earned. It was a source of pride and accomplishment, as everyone was jealous of “that guy” with a duped 5* Dorm in AW. But now, 5* shards are more available than ever, as Kabam is gears everyone up for 6-stars (like it or not). So being able to “CHOOSE” a 5-star champ isn’t a unique thing anymore. Instead of studying the Character Spotlights, forums, reddit and fighting duels to see if a Champ fit your playing style and roster needs (before you poured all your hard-earned resources into it), people just wait for the YouTube consensus Top Champ (remember DS?) and build the “ideal” roster. No faster way to unbalance a game than when everyone uses the SAME three champs.SECOND, the new Featured 5* Crystal will reduce the frustration of spending 15k a pop on outdated, low-prestige, weak champs with a more focused pool. When Blade first came out I spent 45k on Iron Patriot, Colossus and Groot (my last 15k pulled Blade, and grinned ear-to-ear for a week), but a better pool of consolation champs would have been great. More importantly, it will return us to the days where the ‘regular’ 5* Crystal only had a small pool of Champs… So duping a 5* and earning precious 6* Shards will be easier! Just wait for a Crystal [pool] that overlaps a majority of your roster… and you’ll finally be able to dupe that Starlord, Storm or Magik <i>and</i> rack up 6* shards towards a new Trophy Champ. Which btw is now available via the 6-Star Featured Crystal (assuredly replacing the old 5* Feature). ULTIMATELY, as the Game, Champs and Rewards continued to expand… This move was inevitable. Imho it will maintain the variety, rarity ratio, game balance and sense of accomplishment we’ve previously had. Kabam makes a lot of mistakes (I genuinely never thought I'd defend them), but I don’t believe this is one. P.S. To everyone peeing their pants about Blade (because they undervalued/ignored him when he was originally available), Kabam did you a solid… You will still get your shot. P.P.S. While I welcome newer players in general (who weren’t even playing when Blade came out), don’t think for one second that you deserve a god-tier 5* after 90 days. Stick to COD and lag switches… Your sense of entitlement makes me sick. You need to SUFFER thru all the nerfs, loss of PB Synergy, the v12 patch, weekly AW rule changes, et al. like the rest of us before you deserve him. Funny how they kept the 300 unit FGMC tho hey. Seems it's ok to if you willing to spend
GroundedWisdom wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » round3r wrote: » FIRST, for those of us playing for 2+ years, we remember how RARE 5* used to be. The featured crystal was there so you could save up and land a champ you REALLY wanted. It was to be THE centerpiece of your Roster and make it UNIQUE. Shards were rare, T4CC were scarce, and T2A were non-existent… So your decisions mattered and your trophy was earned. It was a source of pride and accomplishment, as everyone was jealous of “that guy” with a duped 5* Dorm in AW. But now, 5* shards are more available than ever, as Kabam is gears everyone up for 6-stars (like it or not). So being able to “CHOOSE” a 5-star champ isn’t a unique thing anymore. Instead of studying the Character Spotlights, forums, reddit and fighting duels to see if a Champ fit your playing style and roster needs (before you poured all your hard-earned resources into it), people just wait for the YouTube consensus Top Champ (remember DS?) and build the “ideal” roster. No faster way to unbalance a game than when everyone uses the SAME three champs.SECOND, the new Featured 5* Crystal will reduce the frustration of spending 15k a pop on outdated, low-prestige, weak champs with a more focused pool. When Blade first came out I spent 45k on Iron Patriot, Colossus and Groot (my last 15k pulled Blade, and grinned ear-to-ear for a week), but a better pool of consolation champs would have been great. More importantly, it will return us to the days where the ‘regular’ 5* Crystal only had a small pool of Champs… So duping a 5* and earning precious 6* Shards will be easier! Just wait for a Crystal [pool] that overlaps a majority of your roster… and you’ll finally be able to dupe that Starlord, Storm or Magik <i>and</i> rack up 6* shards towards a new Trophy Champ. Which btw is now available via the 6-Star Featured Crystal (assuredly replacing the old 5* Feature). ULTIMATELY, as the Game, Champs and Rewards continued to expand… This move was inevitable. Imho it will maintain the variety, rarity ratio, game balance and sense of accomplishment we’ve previously had. Kabam makes a lot of mistakes (I genuinely never thought I'd defend them), but I don’t believe this is one. P.S. To everyone peeing their pants about Blade (because they undervalued/ignored him when he was originally available), Kabam did you a solid… You will still get your shot. P.P.S. While I welcome newer players in general (who weren’t even playing when Blade came out), don’t think for one second that you deserve a god-tier 5* after 90 days. Stick to COD and lag switches… Your sense of entitlement makes me sick. You need to SUFFER thru all the nerfs, loss of PB Synergy, the v12 patch, weekly AW rule changes, et al. like the rest of us before you deserve him. Funny how they kept the 300 unit FGMC tho hey. Seems it's ok to if you willing to spend That Crystal has been recently added. The changes to the Featured are after a great deal of time, and subsequently changes that have taken place in the game. No one is forcing anyone to spend on it if they're personally offended by it. Lol.
Jaffacaked wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » round3r wrote: » FIRST, for those of us playing for 2+ years, we remember how RARE 5* used to be. The featured crystal was there so you could save up and land a champ you REALLY wanted. It was to be THE centerpiece of your Roster and make it UNIQUE. Shards were rare, T4CC were scarce, and T2A were non-existent… So your decisions mattered and your trophy was earned. It was a source of pride and accomplishment, as everyone was jealous of “that guy” with a duped 5* Dorm in AW. But now, 5* shards are more available than ever, as Kabam is gears everyone up for 6-stars (like it or not). So being able to “CHOOSE” a 5-star champ isn’t a unique thing anymore. Instead of studying the Character Spotlights, forums, reddit and fighting duels to see if a Champ fit your playing style and roster needs (before you poured all your hard-earned resources into it), people just wait for the YouTube consensus Top Champ (remember DS?) and build the “ideal” roster. No faster way to unbalance a game than when everyone uses the SAME three champs.SECOND, the new Featured 5* Crystal will reduce the frustration of spending 15k a pop on outdated, low-prestige, weak champs with a more focused pool. When Blade first came out I spent 45k on Iron Patriot, Colossus and Groot (my last 15k pulled Blade, and grinned ear-to-ear for a week), but a better pool of consolation champs would have been great. More importantly, it will return us to the days where the ‘regular’ 5* Crystal only had a small pool of Champs… So duping a 5* and earning precious 6* Shards will be easier! Just wait for a Crystal [pool] that overlaps a majority of your roster… and you’ll finally be able to dupe that Starlord, Storm or Magik <i>and</i> rack up 6* shards towards a new Trophy Champ. Which btw is now available via the 6-Star Featured Crystal (assuredly replacing the old 5* Feature). ULTIMATELY, as the Game, Champs and Rewards continued to expand… This move was inevitable. Imho it will maintain the variety, rarity ratio, game balance and sense of accomplishment we’ve previously had. Kabam makes a lot of mistakes (I genuinely never thought I'd defend them), but I don’t believe this is one. P.S. To everyone peeing their pants about Blade (because they undervalued/ignored him when he was originally available), Kabam did you a solid… You will still get your shot. P.P.S. While I welcome newer players in general (who weren’t even playing when Blade came out), don’t think for one second that you deserve a god-tier 5* after 90 days. Stick to COD and lag switches… Your sense of entitlement makes me sick. You need to SUFFER thru all the nerfs, loss of PB Synergy, the v12 patch, weekly AW rule changes, et al. like the rest of us before you deserve him. Funny how they kept the 300 unit FGMC tho hey. Seems it's ok to if you willing to spend That Crystal has been recently added. The changes to the Featured are after a great deal of time, and subsequently changes that have taken place in the game. No one is forcing anyone to spend on it if they're personally offended by it. Lol. So that makes absolutely no difference an my original statement stands.